Ray Leonard vs Roy Jones at Middleweight

[QueensburyRules]

And? Never said they were commensurate Duh! Said the size advantage had to be viewed in the context that Ray was not a small middle...

U learn to read yet?

- -Ray a slight middle then and more so now.

U navel don't understand boxing, but more inclined to Kereoc or Ginsburg.

It's ok to be sissy today.

[billeau2]

- -Ray a slight middle then and more so now.

U navel don't understand boxing, but more inclined to Kereoc or Ginsburg.

It's ok to be sissy today.

More so now... really? Put down the sauce when you type geez. When is his next fight

[The Old LefHook]

Roids wrecked any stamina Johnny might have had. He just stood still, counting on reflexes. Leonard actually moved around the ring. One punch at a time does not beat a man who hits you four times in the same space.

[billeau2]

Roids wrecked any stamina Johnny might have had. He just stood still, counting on reflexes. Leonard actually moved around the ring. One punch at a time does not beat a man who hits you four times in the same space.

See? this post makes the point that irks me stand out again... Im not saying that Jones necessarily loses to Ray either, I have not really thought about it, but once again: WHY would any one think this is a shoo in for Jones? It almost seems like the good old days when the cult of Roy was the cancel culture of its day... whereupon anyone who did not think Jones was the second coming, was a casual with no boxing understanding.

And Yes Leonard was hard to hit! He moved...had a great chin, yet... Jones would starch him? I just want to know how so? because from where I stand it looks like Ray has many advantages. Not to mention, did Jones ever fight someone good as Ray? I mean I give Jones credit for whom he beat, which was a lot better than fellow cherry picker Mayweather beat... But Ray would not wilt at the sight of Jones in the ring. He would have the speed and as Left hook implies, superior movement skills... the size advantage would be negligable. Ray is a good size middle weight, its not like Mayweather who really was never a middle weight with the skills he had at 130ish.

[Anthony342]

See? this post makes the point that irks me stand out again... Im not saying that Jones necessarily loses to Ray either, I have not really thought about it, but once again: WHY would any one think this is a shoo in for Jones? It almost seems like the good old days when the cult of Roy was the cancel culture of its day... whereupon anyone who did not think Jones was the second coming, was a casual with no boxing understanding.

And Yes Leonard was hard to hit! He moved...had a great chin, yet... Jones would starch him? I just want to know how so? because from where I stand it looks like Ray has many advantages. Not to mention, did Jones ever fight someone good as Ray? I mean I give Jones credit for whom he beat, which was a lot better than fellow cherry picker Mayweather beat... But Ray would not wilt at the sight of Jones in the ring. He would have the speed and as Left hook implies, superior movement skills... the size advantage would be negligable. Ray is a good size middle weight, its not like Mayweather who really was never a middle weight with the skills he had at 130ish.

Not to mention the heart and toughness in the ring when Ray needed to pull out a win earlier in his career. He fought hard in the first Duran fight, against Benitez and in the first Hearns fight. It was only when Leonard wanted to guarantee a win for himself did he pull some gamesmanship and cherry picking with the Duran rematches and waiting out Hagler. But the rest of his career in his prime, he comes to fight. Jones will have to deal with that young Leonard not only coming on strong, but with pretty good punching power, movement and hand speed. So I give Leonard a shot here at least at a close decision, especially if he can tag Roy a lot early and keep coming on strong in the later rounds. Could be a 7-5 fight either way though, unless someone scores a knockdown.

[billeau2]

Not to mention the heart and toughness in the ring when Ray needed to pull out a win earlier in his career. He fought hard in the first Duran fight, against Benitez and in the first Hearns fight. It was only when Leonard wanted to guarantee a win for himself did he pull some gamesmanship and cherry picking with the Duran rematches and waiting out Hagler. But the rest of his career in his prime, he comes to fight. Jones will have to deal with that young Leonard not only coming on strong, but with pretty good punching power, movement and hand speed. So I give Leonard a shot here at least at a close decision, especially if he can tag Roy a lot early and keep coming on strong in the later rounds. Could be a 7-5 fight either way though, unless someone scores a knockdown.

One question that comes to mind: when did Roy fight against someone with real "advantages?" the reach and jab of Hearns... The power of Duran. Griffin had some success frustrating Roy and Roy could eventually overcome that and beat him... Would Ray's boxing cause such problems? because Ray would not wilt lol.

[Anthony342]

One question that comes to mind: when did Roy fight against someone with real "advantages?" the reach and jab of Hearns... The power of Duran. Griffin had some success frustrating Roy and Roy could eventually overcome that and beat him... Would Ray's boxing cause such problems? because Ray would not wilt lol.

Exactly, that's the thing. And neither will Roy because he could eventually make those adjustments. That's why I could see it being close either way. Roy only seemed to get caught when he slowed a bit later in his career, but Ray was pretty quick, so maybe he's fast enough or can time Jones? Not entirely impossible.

[billeau2]

Exactly, that's the thing. And neither will Roy because he could eventually make those adjustments. That's why I could see it being close either way. Roy only seemed to get caught when he slowed a bit later in his career, but Ray was pretty quick, so maybe he's fast enough or can time Jones? Not entirely impossible.

My opinion would be that Ray happens to be smart enough to know not to try to time Jones... but to work him with mobility and perhaps getting his timing off with combos before Roy can launch lol. His quickness would be a defensive asset and... he could perhaps catch Roy, which has been done even against inferior opposition that Roy dominated.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Ray had his hands full with Hearns.

Jones wrecks him.

[billeau2]

Ray had his hands full with Hearns.

Jones wrecks him.

Another silly post. hearns had one of the best jabs, reach and power. Did you not know that? And I am still waiting for someone to tell me what Jones could do to wreck Leanard.