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He didn't state that in his book, atleast I don't remember. I'll need proof. It's towards the end, chapter 10 or 11 I think.

so if hes washed up... what exactly does that say for joe fighting em... meh? To be fair, Joe is old too now... He would still wipe the floor with Pavlik though, and that's the fight he should have taken.

Best athlete is Ryan Giggs, best actor is Anthony hopkins and Tom Jones... p4p king. I agree, about Hopkins, but Tom may be Wales' best singer, but not their best recording artist. Don't forget, we have the Manic Street Preachers, The Stereophonics and the truly wonderful Goldie Lookin' Chain. Best athlete is wide open, BTW. Could be Giggs, could be Joe or it could even be Ian Rush. But that would be unfair to the likes of Gerald Davies, Jimmy Wilde, Ieuan Evans, JPR Williams etc. The list of world class Welsh athletes is almost endless.

Was that on the same page where he stated point blank that he would never fight Mikkel Kessler?

What if Chuck catches Fields in the eye with his spur? Does he stand a chance? When Fields is in "kill" mode, he hunts by smell, sound and an as of yet undetermined "sixth sense". He could kill Chuck with no eyes.

he wont get past 3 and if he does then pavlik aint as good as we think :) But Lockett has never been down before, let alone anywhere near stopped. Granted, he hasn't faced anyone of Pavlik's quality, but he has faced some big punchers. To suggest Pavlik will blow him away easily is absurd. He may well do, but Lockett is a tough guy who should be more than capable of taking one of Pavlik's "bombs".

lmaoooo. I guess no one can envision Chuck executing a roundhouse kick to the eye. I can, unfortunately Tye catches it with his bare hands, snaps the leg clean in two and proceeds to beat Chuck to death with the soggy end.

Umm, because people troll a lot? I mean his level of opposition WAS low. He's at least fighting people with names now. That's pretty much that. It's his fault that it was low. I take issue with THAT part. That aside, it's pretty clear that he may have been "protected" or "fighting bums" or whatever people say but he has a lot of talent and is clearly a very good fighter. He's proven that even if he's overrated he's not a bum and he doesn't suck. He's got tons of natural talent. Speed. Great durablity/chin and an iron will. So what if he's deficient in some other areas? Why does this get to you? This question HAS been listed several times before. You can name any of these guys: Roy Hopkins Toney Griffin Dariusz blah blah blah blha The true answer is, no one. If he had stayed in the super middleweight division which he did after Roy and toney left, well he was going to fight bums. Guess what? It's a WORTHLESS division. That was his choice to some extent, and some of it not, just being his weight. How much criticism he should get for that is up for debate, but what's not up for debate is that he HAD a weak resume. Why? Lots of reasons, like the ones abadger listed, and others like well you know the SMW division sucking ass. Joe was pretty much restricted due to his weight, and the fact that he wasn't a big name meant that he couldn't get a fight with one of the "big dogs" so to speak. This was Joe's big problem, he wasn't a big enough name when he had his title to get a big fight. Contrary to popular belief, this is not Frank Warren's fault. He actually turned pro under Mickey Duff, who did little to no promotional work and effectively left one of the best fighters around out in the cold for a number of years. When Joe got his title shot, he had only been the distance once, an eight rounder that was actually against Chris Eubanks cousin, Bobbie Joe Edwards. These days, a man who is blitzing through the division in the way Joe did back then would be a huge star by the time they held a belt. As it happened, that wasn't the case, and Joe was left to fight mandatories. If his career had been managed properly from the off, he would have been fighting the RJJ's and the Hopkins' of this world a damn sight sooner than now, but it wasn't, and that's a shame. As for Ottke, the guy has more gifts than Santa Claus, I wouldn't blame ANY fighter for not going to Germany, where you had to KO him to get a draw, which was near enough impossible due to his granite chin. There isn't really anybody else Joe could have fought in his division in his era, yet he receives possibly the most stick resume-wise on these forums, for circumstances completely beyond his control. He could only beat the man in front of him, and he did, 45 times.

If there was a god, he wouldn't have come back.

He could be joking. I know the Calzaghe fans are serious when they say he could beat a prime Roy or Toney or Hopkins, which is a lot worse. He truly believes Winky is ducking Mundine, and that Mundine could beat Pavlik and then unify the MW division. This is the same guy who got KTFO by none other than Sven "I've met babies who punch harder than me" Otkke: 3:10, Mundine out cold.

Where would this fight be happening? I doubt it could happen anywhere on Earth, that much "awesome" would throw off the Earth's magnetic field, causing its orbit to alter drastically and cause it to hurtle towards the sun... This fight would SOOO be worth it though.

This is why you fail. Get off his knob. I like how you posted that he was TURNED down by johnson then immediately post about how he basically walked away from the Johnson fight cause of his injuries. Could you pretend to be more objective when making these? And this question has been asked about a dozen times already. Another offer was made to Johnson, who at that point had decided he wanted nothing to do with Calzaghe because he had pulled out of fights in the past. He made an offer, and was turned down. If it has been asked a dozen times already, why does nobody here say "Calzaghe should have fought........" rather than "He's fought nothing but a string of bums" I make a serious thread, prompting a serious discussion about why his resume gets so much shit on these boards, and instead I have to put up with a teenage slut on the rag taking her menstrual frustrations out on the world.

I voted a week. I noticed him getting frustrated again in a couple Mundine threads today. I can almost envision his blood boiling down under. His time left here will directly coincide with the amount of Mundine related threads he creates. The more he creates, the sooner the departure as he cannot take anti Mundine posts. It's all simple math really. :banana: Then bump my thread, and keep it at the top. Some quality Mundine based ownage in there. Link here.

He's back again. Since coming back again he did imply that he was leaving again but then returned once more. The guy has made more comebacks than Sugar Ray Leonard. Wasn't Sugar Ray successful in his comebacks though? And Natas, you should have made one of him getting KTFO by Sven "Look at me mommy, I finally KO'd someone" Ottke.

Haha. I say it depends on the medical outlook from his latest lobotomy. It's a fairly dangerous and difficult operation. I'm no doc. but I think he returned too soon. But heck. Maybe his recuperative powers are greater than those of Mundine anastesized by the famed cork-screw hook of Sven 'Slugger' Ottke. 3 minutes 10 seconds baby! BOOYAH!

Not always. :) He was successful more often than UlitmateBoxa was though!

Went to the first fight I ever saw as a five year old. Was Lennox Lewis vs Frank Bruno in Cardiff Arms Park. Bruno was my friends uncle so he invited me along, got to go backstage and was sat at ringside, second row back. Ever since I have watched any and all boxing I have been able to. What can I say, I'm hooked. :boxing:

Clinton Woods? Tarver? I'm sure in Boxing Monthly mag when it was doin Cals and Hattons top 10 fighters BM would like them to fight, cal said he didnt see the point in fighting either of they guys cos they werent "big names" That's now, not then. Calzaghe has paid his dues and is winding down his career. He wants only legacy defining fights now, and if they happen to earn him the most money he is not going to complain.

He's failed so many times! Cotto is going to win and I think it may even be by KO. Can someone please explain to me why anyone is giving Margarito a cat in hell's chance in this fight!? I'm so confident that Cotto is gonna win that I've got all my points on him winning with Addison. Do you just discount the Williams and Santos performances? Don't get me wrong, he's clearly a decent fighter but is in no shape or form an elite performer. I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you. Addison took the thrashing to end all thrashings in the dome the other week and hasn't been heard from since.

keep dreaming, that is like a 7 year old trying to knockout a 30 year old. malignaggi might have faster hands, and better defense and movement, and a decent jab when he throws it, but as for power, he's in the negative compared to every other fighter in and around his weight class. there are bantam weight fighters with more fire power than malignaggi.......... plus i will guarantee that malignaggi breaks his hand again in his fight with hatton, this time it's going to happen in the second or thrid round. being able to hit hatton clean is only going to be a detriment to malignaggi regarding his brittle hands. i am 100% positive that malignaggi WILL break his hand in their fight. If Malignaggi can land on Hatton's temple, which he can with his speed and skills, with a nice sharp, snappy shot, he could scatter Ricky's brain JUST enough to convince a ref that Ricky is unfit to continue. That's the hope anyway.

Page 22. Pound-For-Pound Jackass. It goes on to describe Mayweather Jr.'s antics in the WWE. Then goes on at the end, to say, Catch him, Oscar. Right hand, left hook. It's there for you. Now I know they said they would be completely unbiased and acting as if Goldenboy Promotions had nothing to do with them even though they bought them out. But when they are saying stuff like that out of the blue, it makes me hard to believe it. Although, I agree with what they said about Mayweather Jr.'s WWE crap. The writers are fans too, and all unbiased fans are sick of Mayweather, and want Oscar to KO him. There is no bias at all, they are merely expressing the views of normal fans. Spot on, I say.

Check out this shit: Skip to 3:10, and prepare to laugh. Mundine is the only person Ottke has knocked out cold, ever. The man has 5 KO's in a 30+ fight career. Mundine is a bum.

The exact same thing could be said for Ottke should he fight in Cardiff. Joes management failed to take the risks when Joe was in his prime. Warren is to blame but so is Joe. He could have pushed harder for an Ottke fight or a fight in america. They failed and thats why Joe is a great fighter who could have been greater. That is actually one of the first threads I made since joining this forum with the opening post my view of Joe's legacy: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169794 But Joe has never had a questionable decision in Cardiff, Ottke has had many in Germany. The only fight that was close enough to be called the other way was against Robin Reid (who DID get robbed in Germany, fighting none other than Sven Ottke) in Newcastle, nowhere near Cardiff, or indeed Wales.

Look you're not going to get a straight answer to this either way. Cal fans will back him up and Cal detractors will tear him down. The thing that has saved Calzaghe in my book is that 3 of his last 4 fights were against the best opponents he could have faced. I can see what you're saying, but notice how the detractors haven't started turning this into another "Calzaghe's career is a joke" thread. I think it's because, rather than just stating that he built his career on bums, they have to name people who, at the time, were better. I think this thread has served it's purpose in all honesty.

hahah i swear Mudine got paid to take a dive after that punch! Ottke is a disgrace to boxing and should never be allowed to make a return. Ottke deserves a lot of credit. He has provided us with the firepower to cause Ultimateboxa to snap and go nuts, getting himself banned in the process. Go Ottke! :boxing:

I havent seen Lockett fight other than a little on youtube, but I'd be happy to take your points with a small bet. I'll say Pavlik inside the distance for 5K. All other results and you win i.e. a win for Lockett or a decision to Pavlik. Are you game? Personally, I think Pavlik will wear him down and stop him in the championship rounds, but wouldn't be suprised if he didn't, or even if the fight wen't the other way. Ive never seen him bur ive heard he isnt that great He isn't great, but he struggles more with boxers. Against a puncher he stands a better chance. He's a tough kid who can bang, Pavlik may have his work cut out.

well he got the title somehow. I dont think through his whole career he was gifted, he has a good amateurs beaten alot of the top level amateurs. he defended his title like 21 times and his career he got many win only 4 which were contervisal wins. so he is a good fighter but does not deserve a zero but that the way it goes. pro sport is a business before pleasure and you gotta know many fighters dont choose who they want to fight. Ottke's resume is the epitome of hand picked, and he had more than 4 gifts. If you're going to hand pick your opponents, at least pick ones you can beat. A lot of fuss is being made at the moment over the Danny Williams fight, in which he was nearly robbed. Yes, that was a disgrace, but on a par with that is Otkke's fight against Robin Reid. It was a while ago now, so it gets easily forgotten, but Otkke is the single worst thing to have ever happened to boxing.

i would take you word for how good is Ottke. I heard from one of his sparring partner, Iceman Scully, that Ottke punch is hard. so it means that he is abit underrated in this department. and I dont think both fighters are bum because it will make you a bigger bum for even not being a boxer with a licence. Ottke disgrace for boxing? come on. all pro sport make alot of money from gambling and making boxing more about the money and less about the talent. Ottke is not the first guy to be protected but even if he is protect that much he should have won couple of his own country men from time to time to be best on his country. It was all a joke, aimed at Ultimateboxa. Besides that, I suggest read up on Sven Otkke's "career" before coming to the conclusion that he had ANY credibility at all.

It's a joke... Admitedly, a bad one, but it's aimed at Ultimateboxa. He was supposed to open up the thread thinking "OOH YEAH!!! At last, a credible opponent who isn't going to knock him the fuck out!" Then when he realises it's a joke, he snaps, goes insane, gets sectioned under the mental health act and we are well rid forever. But you've spoilt it now. :nonono:

But Joe could still have made a push to fight Ottke or in the US thereby securing his legacy. As for Ottke. Yes he did have many questionable decisions. Heck I should know since I probably watched all his (boring) defenses. When the decision is announced and it goes against your winner allways ask yourself if you COULD honestly see the other guy winning, and I could see Ottke win (cannot single out the Reid fight sorry). And check Ottkes defenses; some mighty fine wins there. Ohhhhh sh!t!! I cannot believe I'm here defending Sven 'Slugger' Ottke. I never thought I would see the day someone defended him either, lol. But in allseriousness, there are indeed a few good defenses, the sad thing is they get glossed over when talking about him because of all the dodgy decisions he has received. The Reid fight was the single most sickeninh thing I have ever seen. He scored a valid KD that was not ruled, even though it was clear as day and the ref was right there to see that it was not a slip. He even had a point taken away for having the audacity to punch Ottke in the face. It was not really that close, and it wasn't really so close that Ottke could have won it. I had Reid winning by 4 or 5 points I think it was, not sure and can't rewatch it now, but the fight was given to Ottke by margins of 117-112, 115-113 and 115-113. Have you seen the Danny Williams vs Airich fight yet? It was very similiar in the vibe you got watching it, you just knew that Reid could do nothing that could hand him the W. A draw would have been a bad decision, let alone a UD for Ottke. It's a well known saying that even Ali couldn't have beaten Ottke in Germany.