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yeah...i agree 100 percent but the guy i quoted and was referring to? did you see what he said when i posed that question? he said "well if he does get the money he better back it up by knocking loma out within 4 rounds"...lol...as if thats a must....as if any other type of performance will shame teo...lol teo will have won before getting in the ring by getting the money he wanted.....not won the fight...but won a battle he wanted to win.......even a close loss would not shame teo in any way in that event.....its a tough fight Oh wow, no I didn't see that quote, but yeah at the top level a legit win is a legit win. Of course a dominant/impressive win for either would be even better but a win without controversy is good enough for me.

that phone call with al wasnt to set up a bud fight, it was to put u in a mental institute Lmao hilarious

- -Oscar figuring on JoyBoy running out of $ needing a payday. I think it would be pretty hard for Floyd Mayweather Jr. to run out of money because he can make easy money knocking out kickboxers in Japan if nothing else.

Lance Pugmire stated that Kell Brook is Bud's next opponent, unless they finalize Pac Man 1st. Kell sounds like its a done deal almost, while they are searching sites around the globe to make Manny Vs Terence. Fight is in November. If its been posted I apologize. Thoughts and discuss please. I think this is a decent fight if Kell Brook can make 147 safely. Brook is past his best but I don't buy that he is completely washed up either. Of course I would prefer to see Pacquaio-Crawford but Kell Brook isn't a terrible opponent.

No deal made for Campbell-Garcia and no extension granted by the WBC.Purse bid goes ahead at 6pm U.K. time.#Boxing— Rob Tebbutt (@RobTebbutt) August 11, 2020 Hmmm............ Hopefully Golden Boy wins the bid so they can bring the fight to the U.S. If they don't then Ryan Garcia has a choice to make He can either go where the purse bid dictates and back up his words or walk away from the fight and face backlash.

Who would won objectivaly between Prime Mike and Motivated Fury? This is probably not a popular opinion but I think fully fit and motivated Fury would have everything to beat even Prime Mike. Dude is 6'8, 6'9 and extremely hard to hit and elusive when he is fully concentrated. Plus could lean on 5:10 Mike whole fight. But Mike was freak of nature though, even being only 5'10. This is one of my previous posts from a thread about Mike Tyson and Anthony Joshua. I amended it a bit for this thread since we are talking about Iron Mike and the Gypsy King: I went to Boxrec to take a look back at Tyson's opponents during his prime (1986-1990, or from the Berbick fight to his loss against Buster Douglas), and here is what I found: Tyson weighed between 215 and 221 for those fights so let's just average it out to 218. All of his opponents held significant height and reach advantages, however Tyson especially destroyed guys who weighed under 220. (4 KO's, 3 within the first two rounds) Of course he handled everyone else too, however the guys who weighed in the high 220's and 230's fared better against him on average. Tyson's two toughest opponents during this stretch were James "Bonecrusher" Smith (6'4" with 82" reach, 233 lbs.) and Buster Douglas (just under 6'4" with 83" reach, 231 lbs.) Tyson Fury is 6'9" with an 85" reach, and even the super-slimmed down version of Fury weighed 247 for Wlad Klitschko and 256 for the first Wilder fight, which is still way heavier than all of Tyson's opponents during his prime run. With all that said, I have two predictions: If Tyson Fury comes in at 270 plus and looks to bulldoze Iron Mike then somebody's getting knocked out early. My money would be on Mike because he was better at in-fighting and he would have the quicker hands on the inside. If Tyson Fury comes in at 245-255 then he boxes his way to a decision or late stoppage. That's just my two cents and my research tells me that Iron Mike would have major issues no matter what.

Martinez wins the battle of the washed old shells of the fighters they once were. They should stay retired because they will both look like garbage if they return. They looked like garbage when they retired and being many years older will make them worse. Martinez didn't look like garbage last night

bud v an overthehill blind weighdrained shopworn hasbeen cant wait Exaggerate much?

Brook isn’t at his prime but he’s better then Crawford’s few opponents. He’s game and knows his way around the ring. He should give Bud a hard fight. It’s a good fight for tv I agree and I would expect a highly motivated Kell Brook if this fight happens.

In your opinion, if your the trainer of a fighter and he’s fighting a fighter who’s athletic, crafty(knows how to bend below the waist, turn his head in the clinch, clinches a lot, etc.), uses the ring a lot, holds and hits, postures a lot, does awkward movements to throw your guy off, turns your fighter, smart(if he gets hurt he’ll tackle your fighter, flop, complain of low blows or phantom fouls, waits for your guy to punch to counter) and doesn’t throw many punches so less opportunities for your fighter, What do you tell your guy in the corner going in round 2? Let’s talk! A lot depends on what kind of fighter I have, but here goes: I would just tell my fighter to focus on scoring vs. doing heavy damage to said negative fighter. As for the low blows/phantom fouls, if the ref isn't calling it then I would have my fighter dig in to the belt line at will. Last but not least, I would do all this from center ring because he would have to engage at some point. There are a lot of other variables but that's a general outline of how I would approach a negative style.

what will you say if teo gets the extra money and signs for the fight? I will say he negotiated successfully if that happens. I just hope he doesn't overplay his hand but I'm all for fighters negotiating. Hopefully both parties come to an agreement so we can see the fight.

Lopez REALLY struggled against Nakatani, so I see Loma in almost a shutout. Nakatani is freakishly tall and honestly he's a awkward matchup for anybody at 135 for that reason alone. I'm gonna do a more thorough breakdown before making a prediction but I don't see a shutout.

I agree Loma will be a quick footnote, if he loses to this kid, having achieved not too much so far in the pros. No career defining fight. No way forward for him, except retirement. Davis will not fight him, either, he'll fight Lopez. The pressure is on Loma not to lose. Maybe he can rematch Campbell and Crolla in Europe. Lomachenko is already more than a footnote based on what he's achieved up to this point. Two-time Olympic gold medalist, won a title in his 3rd fight, titles in 3 divisions. That's more than a footnote

of course...at the heart of it thats what we all tune in for....at least real boxing fans.....but wed be naive to ignore the fact that these guys are in competition with each other and are going to do things to try to stall the other guys...its a business to these guys...the fighters and the promoters.... good fights get shelved or delayed because of these guys and their interests if one of DAZN, the pbc or top rank were to go down it would likely help us get a step closer to fights getting made more easily im not rooting for any of them to go under...but it certainly looks like DAZN might be in some trouble I get what you're saying and I guess the market will dictate what happens.

remember all that noise? "danny is scared"..."danny is shook"..."danny talked all that stuff and when the made an offer he dipped".... did danny look scared when they fought? some of you need to knock this "teo is scared" stuff off...youre showing youre real cowardice...i honestly think some of you would rather have teo to blame for a fight not happening than see him fight loma and potentially ruin some things for you i respect loma...and he very well could beat teo...and beat him rather easily....but he also might not..... teo isnt scared...he has a manager who is likely reasonable....and theyve had a number in mind that wasnt met in the offer.....teo holding out for a few more bucks doesnt mean hes ducking or scared I actually spoke about this on my podcast: https://anchor.fm/whollisboxing/episodes/Episode-3-Should-Teofimo-Lopez-accept-the-1-2-million-offer-to-face-Vasiliy-Lomachencko-ehsi88/a-a1be7e4 I don't think Teo is scared, and I certainly understand negotiating to get as much as you can. I just don't want him to overplay his hand

But that's the crap Bob Arum is going to serve up on a silver platter. Despite constantly throwing out Manny Pacquiao's name as a smokescreen. What makes you think it will be a sucky fight? Are you thinking that maybe Kell Brook can't make the weight safely? Because that's the only worry I would have. Other than that, I would expect Brook to bring it and I know that Crawford has heard the critics in the aftermath of his last fight.

Well I pointed out how favoritism played a part in him even getting a title shot to win in his 3rd fight because you bragged on it. If you can acknowledge that corruption/favoritism has played a part in his rise then why brag on it? He fought for a vacant title in his 3rd fight immediately after a loss in his 2nd fight. He didn’t even beat a sitting champion. I’m not even criticizing loma, I just point out that he gets favoritism from fans, the media, and the sport itself. I didn't brag on it. I acknowledged that you're right and there are definitely fighters who get opportunities over other fighters. I simply pointed out that he still had to win the fight and he won it cleanly. Maybe favoritism got him the opportunity but his skills got him the victory. I would also point out that Gary Russell Jr was an extremely risky fight coming off of a loss and he pulled it off. If you don't feel like he deserved the fight in the first place then I certainly understand that point of view and I do my best to be objective.

It's a good video but not really a breakdown. You could have talked more about his weak defense. That's one area they need to improve on pronto. He sometimes has his chin in the air too. Ryan also has other arsenal, of which you could talk about more. Anyhow, overall, the video and content seem rushed. Take your time next time. I just uploaded a video about Luke Campbell. It's about 3 minutes long and I will check out the Gervonta Davis video you posted too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_LKtf4M7MI

I just wanna see good fights, regardless of network or promotional affiliation. Bob Arum, Al Haymon, Eddie Hearn, doesn't make a difference to me because I tune in to see the people in the ring, not the people sitting in the front row.

It's a good video but not really a breakdown. You could have talked more about his weak defense. That's one area they need to improve on pronto. He sometimes has his chin in the air too. Ryan also has other arsenal, of which you could talk about more. Anyhow, overall, the video and content seem rushed. Take your time next time. Hey thanks a lot for the feedback. I'm working on finding a balance as far as video length and how far in depth I should go. I will certainly take what you said into consideration though

The bold: Some people say Mikey and Haney. I won't go there. Career defining fight is a fight you remember whenever his name is mentioned- a fight that would last in your memory into retirement. Top opposition. Defining character of the fight includes how great or semi-great the opponent is, fan demand, delivery, etc. I can throw many boxers' names out there (some with more than a few defining fights) and answer that question easily. Even people like Maidana have one (Ortiz). I can remember Sergio Martinez from more than a few fights. Just some examples. Loma has zero. No big fight memory if he retired today. I remember the Salido fight the most, followed by Russell. He's fighting in weak divisions where almost all the competition is questionable (Russell was OK). Loma has had some good matchmaking, including a few corruption and bribe induced rankings by Arum, as well. Struggles with C level fighters like Campbell and Linares (who was starched by average Cano in one round). Loss to faded journeyman Salido. Lopez (a kid with 15 fights) will be his greatest win now, at the tail end of his career, if he does win. How great is that? The answer is NONE. He doesn't have a career defining fight. Loma is mostly hype beyond his AMATEUR record. Ok, this is good, let's dig in: 1. I'm not sure who is to blame for a Loma-Mikey Garcia fight not happening but Mikey did leave 135 and opt for fights at 147. I will give you Haney, although every fighter has misses and unfortunately there are great matchups that don't happen. On the flip side, Loma critics would probably call Haney a "kid" whose "green" and "untested" while fans of other fighters would say he's a tremendous young champion if their guy beat him. 2. It sounds like you're equating "career-defining" with "memorable" and that's fine. I think that the streak of opponents quitting that spawned the nickname "No-Mas" chenko is memorable but to each his own. 3. As for the weak division/questionable competition, I think the Gary Russell Jr. win at 126 was legit and so was the Nicholas Walters win at 130 4. Here are the top-10 rankings at 135 (courtesy of Boxrec, which isn't everything but it' s a point of reference) 1 ➡ Vasiliy Lomachenko 2 ➡ Teofimo Lopez* 3 ➡ Gervonta Davis* 4 ➡ Lee Selby* 5 ➡ Devin Haney 6 ➡ Richard Commey 7 ➡ Javier Fortuna 8 ➡ Luke Campbell 9 ➡ Ryan Garcia 10 ➡ Jorge Linares If Jorge Linares and Luke Campbell are C-level then you have extremely strict criteria. Is anybody on this list any good? Teo is #2 on this list and Loma is the only one to beat two guys out of this bunch. Teo is the only one besides Loma who has a top-10 win (over Richard Commey) and none of the other guys have even faced each other yet. Also, Linares lost to Cano at 140 so I don't hold that against him. He went up too high in weight and paid for it. It happens. 5. Teo Lopez is a world champion and proved himself with an impressive victory over Richard Commey. It's a unification fight and Teo isn't just a kid with 15 fights. That's my objective take on things and I certainly appreciate everyone's point of view.

Lopez needs to get some advise from Orlando Salido I'm guessing Salido's advice would be to come in overweight and throw as many low blows as possible.

Ryan is quick and explosive with that hook when it lands it goodnight. He most certainly is and I just uploaded a video about Luke Campbell and what he can do to counteract that hook. Click on the link below and it's about 3 minutes long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_LKtf4M7MI

What's his biggest, career defining fight? Amateur gold has nothing to do with proboxing accomplishments. Zero. So, your answer to my question is? Just give me ONE. The objective answer is this one coming up. You could say that facing and defeating an undefeated Gary Russell Jr. in your third fight (and coming off a loss) is significant, but if you just don't like Loma then that wouldn't do. You could say he's had a career-defining STRETCH of fights where he made top guys quit, but again that might not be enough either if you already have your mind made up. Now I have a question for you? Who has Loma avoided or missed? I'm not looking to argue, just adding to the discussion.

Campbell beats his azz I actually just uploaded a video about Campbell and what he can do against Ryan Garcia. Click on the link below and it's about 3 minutes long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_LKtf4M7MI

Ha! Awesome, man. I subscribed. :beerchug: And yes, there were those dissuading Loma from taking that fight after Solido. The hype job narrative had/has been floating around since he entered the pros. That's for sure. Thanks a lot and that's much appreciated :boxing:

The amateur/Olympic career means nothing when evaluating a pro fighter. The paper resume sht is overblown too. Getting a title shot in his 3rd fight points to corruption and favoritism. Ok, let's say he got the title shot in his 3rd fight due to corruption and favoritism. I'll give you that but he still had to win the fight and he won clean. Take a look at the top 10 at 135 on Boxrec. Loma is the only guy to beat two people on that list. Now he's facing the only other guy to beat one person on that list. The rest of them have yet to face each other. And yes, I know that guys like Garcia, Haney, and Tank are younger so of course they have time to change that. I'm just talking about where things stand right now. We can find things to criticize about any fighter if we look hard enough, I just wanted to give an objective take.

teo very well might lose by ko...he might lose by UD....he also might win...its a great matchup.... obviously loma is the best guy teo has ever faced...but teo also just might be the best guy that loma has ever faced....which makes this fight intriguing.......i could def see this going the way of calzaghe/lacy....but i could see loma getting hurt too.... I think Loma has to be careful about stalking with his hands down because Lopez is extremely explosive. Lopez needs to make sure he focuses on scoring too because he might give up rounds looking for the highlight reel KO early.

Right. I love these arguments. None other than Loma receives more hate in the boxing world. I think second is Gennady. I'd like to see someone name another. Perhaps Alvarez is up there, too. Those are the three most hated boxers right now. Anyway, what I want to say is who was the favored boxer here. Was it Lomachenko or was it Gary Russel? It takes two to tango. Wasn't there a belief at that time that Gary was going to dominate Lomachenko? Didn't people believe Loma was being offered up as food for Gary? These narratives only appear after the fact. That doesn't work. It has to appear before the event because recreating a narrative with hind sight is nothing more than unreasoned hating. Good points man. I like your reasoned posts on this topic. And to anyone who wants to debate me about Haney, do so at your own peril. I love digging graves for fools. :buttkick: Thanks I appreciate that and I do my best to give objective takes. As for the Russell fight, it was seen as extremely risky at the time because Loma was coming off a loss in his 2nd fight. A loss to Gary Russell Jr. makes him 1-2 so there was lots of pressure to avoid going from highly touted Olympic legend to hype job with a losing record. By the way I have a podcast and a YouTube channel if you're interested. Links are below: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEfNFR4lOLpwTCDhRsFb8kw https://anchor.fm/whollisboxing

Just when you thought it couldnt get any worse, LMAO so now crawfords gonna beat up on a 118lber??? This guys resumes gets WORSE everytime he fights lmao I haven't heard anything from Crawford himself so I'm gonna reserve judgement. Gary Russell Jr. can say whatever he wants but honestly it's a lose-lose situation for both. Crawford gains nothing and Russell takes an unnecessary beating.