In your opinion,
if your the trainer of a fighter and he’s fighting a fighter who’s athletic, crafty(knows how to bend below the waist, turn his head in the clinch, clinches a lot, etc.), uses the ring a lot, holds and hits, postures a lot, does awkward movements to throw your guy off, turns your fighter, smart(if he gets hurt he’ll tackle your fighter, flop, complain of low blows or phantom fouls, waits for your guy to punch to counter) and doesn’t throw many punches so less opportunities for your fighter,
What do you tell your guy in the corner going in round 2?
Let’s talk!
Lol in the throat? That would definitely stop them in their tracks from fighting dirty!
Hard Jab's to the throat, wham some hooks into the sides of their neck 'Punch their forearms if they use a high guard, don't even bother with head-shots at all' This is what I would do, full well knowing that I would not be winning the rounds 'But those shots will take a toil as the fight progresses'.
Might aswell throw some hard backhands to the throat also.
Like Maidana did vs Floyd in the first fight.
The thing is I never actually considered Floyd to be so negative. He was safety first but It’s not like he was always on his bike or fighting dirty, he would often be right in the pocket, it’s just he was so good at doing it. Fighters had plenty of opportunities to do work though, Getting any success was the problem.
I always felt my Maidana did well because he was so unorthodox and unpredictable, so Floyd couldn’t really compute him that easily, whereas 99% of fighters he could read like a book after a few rounds. But other fighters can’t just be unpredictable like Maidana because that’s not what they do and trying to do that purposely would actually diminish their abilities a lot. It took Floyd a good five or six round to get to grips with Maidana and still never really did until the second fight, even though he did edge the first fight too.
Maidana did well because it was a style that works for him naturally but I don’t think anybody could just adopt that style
In your opinion,
if your the trainer of a fighter and he’s fighting a fighter who’s athletic, crafty(knows how to bend below the waist, turn his head in the clinch, clinches a lot, etc.), uses the ring a lot, holds and hits, postures a lot, does awkward movements to throw your guy off, turns your fighter, smart(if he gets hurt he’ll tackle your fighter, flop, complain of low blows or phantom fouls, waits for your guy to punch to counter) and doesn’t throw many punches so less opportunities for your fighter,
What do you tell your guy in the corner going in round 2?
Let’s talk!
If this is happening, then it can mean that your guy is not using his jab effectively. I would tell him that he must start jabbing to the body and head so that he can disrupt his ability to clinch so much, get him to open up, bait his counters so that your guy can counter.
I'm not sure whom you have in mind as fighting this type of style, but I think that Guts Ishimatsu fought Duran this way. Maybe not to the extent that you are envisioning here, but it's comparable, IMO.
You can see how Duran dealt with Guts here:
A lot depends on what kind of fighter I have, but here goes:
I would just tell my fighter to focus on scoring vs. doing heavy damage to said negative fighter. As for the low blows/phantom fouls, if the ref isn't calling it then I would have my fighter dig in to the belt line at will.
Last but not least, I would do all this from center ring because he would have to engage at some point. There are a lot of other variables but that's a general outline of how I would approach a negative style.
Those are some really good tips that can be passed along to some amateur boxing gyms
And new young guns starting boxing!
Angelo Leo just did it a week ago...Relentless Pressure, High Work Rate and focus on going to the Body
Angelo Lee is a fighter lots should look to when fighting someone who boxes and uses the ring, if he had a bit more power he’d be a monster!
walk him down with a high guard and dont waste punches
Great idea, the high guard is a classic move against sharp counter punchers who don’t throw many punches unless you throw afterwards!
I’m not a fan of dirty boxing but if the ref doesn’t get on it then I feel the other fighter/his corner should do the same cuz at that point your not only fighting a fair fight but now at a disadvantage fighting someone completely bending the rules!
I'm not a fan of it myself but what's good for the goose is good for the gander. My point in saying it was simply to throw the opponent off his game. Like I said piss him off and see if he slips.
I'd fight him like Spence. Constant pressure, ignore the head, be physical, push them toward the ropes, use head control to manipulate them where you want.
Spence is an excellent example of how to negate dirty fighters!
Bringing the fight to them at 100% , get rough and put them to the ropes!
Don't bother with head-shots, just deliberately hit them in the arms, throat, and to the body.
Lol in the throat? That would definitely stop them in their tracks from fighting dirty!
kov should have low blowed him back
Lmao he should’ve, I always yell at the screen at the fighter who’s a victim of dirty boxing and don’t respond back in kind!
I never understood how Pacquiao didn’t fight dirty against all the crap Horn was doing or even Wilder in the rematch with Fury!
When your opponent is fighting dirty you should give them back what they doing to you!
Go to the body, use your own feints to set traps. Punch them all over including chest and elbows and aim at their throat.
Even the best boxers can be feinted...see Madiana Mayweather 2
Excellent counter to the tactics I mentioned above, working the body will slow them down and feints open them up to exposing their tendencies!
What fight are you referring to? Going into Round 2? Lol. Here’s my take
I mean if your opponent is doing all that in the feel out rounds then you should be able to capitalize on that rhythm past 4 rounds.
Usually if your guy holds a lot it frustrates u naturally to do the same, until you snap, and you complain to the ref that he’s doing it. If the ref is allowing all that nonsense then take advantage of it. Usually in such fights fighters say “he was fighting dirty too.”
Not any particular fight per say but hypothetically if you were a trainer and your guy is fighting someone with an absolute zero negative style and employs the tactics I mentioned then what would you tell them to do?
But you make some good points about the ref if he’s allowing it or not, some refs have lower tolerance than others!
Be physical and use dirty tactics if need be to throw off his game. Try to piss him off and see if he slips.
I’m not a fan of dirty boxing but if the ref doesn’t get on it then I feel the other fighter/his corner should do the same cuz at that point your not only fighting a fair fight but now at a disadvantage fighting someone completely bending the rules!
Those points are why this style is looked down on. No idea how you fight a guy who’s entire style is surviving, avoiding, negating and he has as much skill as you.
It’s true that this style is looked at negatively(no pun intended) but it’s very effective and can lead someone to unlikely victory without damage!
It’s one of the most if not the most difficult style to train for!
really sounds like you're either fighting Money Mayweather or Andre Ward.
If you didn't train to beat their style chances that you cant adapt and win that fight.
You need to train specific set ups in order to beat them. For example if you're fighting a guy who crouches low and bends at the weights train your fight to learn to lean and pivot off of that set up. Think a lot of what Lomachenko likes to do.
Floyd likes to bend at the waist and use his shoulder to throw his opponents off balance so he can escape or counter. Lean on the guy. Dig your elbows in and escape to his outside shoulder.
If hes throwing low blows, I would highly encourage my fighter to fight just as dirty until he's warned. At that point its no longer a boxing match. Its a fight.