The TV Show is branded as PBC. Bob Arum is the promoter, same as Lou DiBella and Floyd Mayweather who work with PBC.
You're saying Bob Arum is going to promote PBC shows? Sorry, I definitely don't buy that.
Its a package deal. TR + PBC are going to Fox. Be in the works for 2 years. $500 million a year 10 year deal.
So, are they gonna be branded in two different ways, even if they're on the same network?
Not sure I buy this...
Had to dig this up as I'm super curious about it.
FYI, Fat Dan said on a previous chat or on twitter that is going to be on "linear tv", so I'm guessing that means a regular TV network?
Dan Rafael said yesterday it will be announced any day now and is huge.
What are the huge networks in America? I'm guessing it's not going to be CBS because they own Showtime. And NBC have tried boxing a couple of times so it's not going to be them, I suppose. So does that just leave ABC? Are there others? I'm not from the US so I'm not sure.
Its a package deal. TR + PBC are going to Fox. Be in the works for 2 years. $500 million a year 10 year deal.
PBC is supposed to be a packager of fights for networks, that means they sort out the branding, the ring design etc. If TR are doing fights on FOX too, does that mean that they'll make the shows look different to PBC, or will they all look like same? If they do, what's the point of PBC? Supposedly, they don't make match ups, that's their promoters responsibility.
There's khan v pac possibly.
What else in may? Canelo v Jr is a joke.
But it's certainly been a good year thus far. Better than 2016 but like I said far from great.
Spence vs Brook is a very competitive fight imo. I think Khan / Pac and Canelo / Chavez Jr might be competitive, which is better than most Pac and Canelo fights tbh.
Seriously, I think you should be hyped for Brook/ Spence though. Even if you don't rate Spence (and I think you should) you've got two guys with huge KO ratios who both have some holes in their defences. Just think of it as a Provo-Matthysse type fight if you don't think that they're that skillful.
Anyway, I'm sure there are fights left to be announced in May because we're still 8 weeks for the start of the month. But even if that was it for May, can you really not say that the year has been great?
A level fights
Jack vs Degale
LSC vs Frampton
Dejan vs Mikey Garcia
Aj vs Klit
Thurman vs Garcia
Spence vs Brook
B level fights:
Broner vs Granados
Peterson vs Avansyan
Crolla vs Linares
Canelo vs Chavez
Vasquez vs Collazo
Pedraza vs Davis
Khan vs Pac
Harrison vs Hurd
There are probably others too, but that seems pretty good to me considering only 4 1/2 months of fights have been announced.
The Mikey figh twasnt A level lol
Crolla v Linares is A level as it decides who's the best in the division (probably Linares again).
I wont go into all the others. Like I said, its been a good year, especially in light of a poor 2016 but none of those ifghts have been all time standards in terms of skill, acion, grit, heart etc. The match ups on papers have been pretty solid though.
It still doenst touch some of the genuinely great years in boxing. Think of a year like 2007, which was truly great.
I had a look at Boxing in 2007 on wikipedia and, 2017 has had a much better first few months without a doubt.
But what I'll grant you is that 2017 is missing a ATG/ Mega fight like May/ ODH or May/ Hatton. AJ vs Klit is pretty close to that (especially if you're from the UK like me), but there's still a long way to go in the year.
Part of the problem with boxing atm is that there aren't enough stars to make big fights. Like if Degale and Jack were superstars (both are better than Canelo and Broner imo so no reason why they couldn't be stars, hypothetically) then people would be saying that was ATG fight. But I feel that a lot of guys get overlooked because they don't have that huge hype train/ super-stardom behind them.
As a boxing fan, I am just happy that the best available fights seem to be getting made right now.
What fights would excite you?
I think the problem is that people either judge the schedule by
We've had DeGale v Jack and LSC v Frampton and we're getting AJ/WLAD, Garcia/Thurman and Pac/Khan. But whats happening beyond Aprile? Parker v Fury I think but that's about it.
In May you have three big fights that have been talked about already.
Of course nothing is announced for June and beyond because it's only the start of March now. I'm not sure why you would be down about that, that's completely normal.
It would make their fights more interesting and relevant if they had their own belt. Everyone knows that Thurman is the best welter they have, but what about junior middleweight or featherweight etc?
The truth is I would judge the true champion by who is the best in the division or who has the best wins, exactly the same as now, but I would welcome it to make PBC more interesting.
People who say boxing "has too many belts already" are missing the point. Do you believe that any of the big four organisations are going the replace the others? Is there one body that you support above the rest? If not, then what you need is a new belt that succeeds and eventually replaces the existing ones. That is the only way we're ever gonna get one belt per division.
lol becuase haymon didnt want to put him in the WBO path with pac, WBA with thurman or WBC with garcia knowing that kell prob kills himself making 147 which will be a worse cut since he already fought at 160. kell is still going to bonk the hell out him.
He's been on the IBF route for a long time though. I think the Barrera fight in 2015 was an IBF eliminator, there was no serious talk of Brook moving up back then.
You guys need to go to bed.
I'm in the UK, maybe you need to go to bed? ;)
Seriously though, I understand if you don't think it's important it's just been bugging me for some reason.
Well I think Thurman will beat Garcia easily. There is not much difference facing Thurman or Brook. they are both thought ww-s.
I think Brook has more variety than Thurman and does more veteran moves, which I think makes him more of an awkward opponent for an inexperienced guy like Spence.
I think he's trying to fully control the welterweight division
You're probably right, but I shows that he's either desperate to get unified 147 champion to build a PBC storyline or he's amazingly confident in Spence's ability considering most promoters/ managers match potential stars as easily as they can.
People standards for GGG is unreal.
Jacobs gets dropped, wobbled, and almost passes out at the end of the fight and is considered a win for Jacobs.
Some people just want a reason not to give GGG his just due.
"almost passes out" WTF?
GGG wasn't exactly doing a lot in the late rounds either...
BTW I'm not a triple G hater (those guys are morons) but I though Jacobs was exceptional tonight and got the win
Go rewatch the fight and come back to me. Jacobs did not win this fight. He fought a good fight but didn't do enough
Have you rewatched the fight then? :confused:
Anyway you can have your opinion on GGG winning that's cool, but what fight were you watching where Jacobs "almost passed out"?
Honestly I hate him for the domestic abuse in front of his own kids, continuing to make out that victim is a liar because she won't release an image of her battered face, which would further upset her kids.
I quite liked him before I heard about that, but anyone who ignores that but praises the rest of his personality outside the ring is messed up.
Also, some people are comparing his personality to Ali. Floyd mainly comes across creepy and lame to me nowadays. Ali always tried to entertain even to the end, but Floyd's spent so much time around yes men it's like he can't be bothered anymore. How many times has he made you laugh in the last few years?
Worst thing that can happen in a fight like this is if he happens to catch a big shot early and get KO'd. He'll get written of completely, even if he would have been competitive later on.
I want to see good fights. I don't wish poverty or dementia on the participants, but my viewing pleasure takes priority. I do think there should be protections in place for boxer health & that they don't get ripped off.
When there is a good PBC fight I watch. When its mediocre (and lately they have been garbage) I don't.
I'll reserve "credit" and admiration for people doing more important things in this world
But the point is they have been getting ripped off. That's what happened to most guys were before Haymon came along. The truth is that you probably don't care about that at all.
Could Joshua having so much respect for Wlad be a problem at all in the fight? Could he start feeling intimidated if Wlad starts well? I'm kinda on the fence about that.
Doe, only a handful of fighters get the lion share of the purses. If you're someone like Salka, you're likely to end up in the emergency room and get billed most of your earnings, which is only around 4% of what guys like Garcia get. Quillin got $1 mil for fighting Zerafa, who left the ring on a stretcher. What Haymon has been doing is not only bad for the sport, but dangerous -- showcase his main fighters fighting nobodies, then pay them large sums of money. Quillin hasn't fought for more than a year now.
Salka got paid $125K, he wasn't forced to take the fight this was obviously a very big payday for him. I'm not saying there aren't criticisms of Haymon that are valid (in fact I said the opposite) just that he's fixed one of the biggest problems that existed in boxing history.
That's a typical selfish fan's mentality when you talk about Quillin not fighting in more than a year. The dude got KTFO, was slurring his speech months after the fight so took a year away from getting punched in the head. Now he's back in the gym rebuilding, he's got a new trainer and (maybe) a new weight class, and you're complaining he hasn't fought because he doesn't need the money? I'm glad he doesn't need to get in the ring for financial reasons.
I think he does in the sense that his model eliminates the promoter from the equation, which in many ways is a good thing. Obviously his model pays the fighters more because it increases his cut as the manager.
That argument doesn't work: If he wanted to he could have been one of those rip off promoters, or, one of the many managers before him who worked with the promoters to rip guys off.
But in what Haymon does overall for the sport, (some positive, some negative), it is very debatable that he is having a net positive impact.
Is is debatable though? The majority of former champs before Haymon retired penniless. Now even guys with TR, like Tim Bradley, make lots of money (though Pac still seems to get screwed somehow).
The fact that he is basically (I can't stress enough) solely responsible for this change is a pretty good legacy to have as a person don't you think?
My point is sometimes we judge things based purely on our own interest as fans and don't consider what it's actually like for fighters.
Mayweather aka TBE disagrees with you.
Mayweather: I'll Tell Haymon - Fighters Getting Too Much Money!
Look you completely missed the point of what I said: surely fighters having long term financial security is more important than bad matchmaking at times.
But if you call Mayweather "TBE" then you probably swallow everything he says, so no point arguing I guess.
What exactly did he fix? You make it sound as if all of his fighters are getting huge pay days. I even told you about how dangerous mismatches are. Go watch Zerafa almost getting killed by an angry Quillin.
What he fixed is fighter's pay. Not only are Haymon's fighters making lots of money, so are Bob Arum's guys like Tim Bradley. Do you think after 30 years in boxing Arum suddenly decided it was time to pay guys fairly? NO! He had to do it so they didn't go to Al.
Haymon fixed fighter's pay.
^Remember that^
That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying the mismatches are good, but earning more gives fighters more power to protect their own health which is a good thing.
I see that you're only concerned about the well being of fighters on top. Point is nobody is forced to take boxing as a career. They can always find another job. This is a business not charity. If you're concerned about their well-being, go and raise funds for them.
In the end, this is why Haymon doesn't get credit. I've seen this attitude from more than one person on this thread. If you don't make good fights you're not the fan's friend, if you do anything else that's good - they don't care. Boxing is a sport where the participants put more on the line than any other sport, but the fans care the least about their well being in return.
Spence has the best chance imo. He's the most exciting fighter on the list and could stay undefeated for many years. Plus I think his character makes him the most marketable. He comes across as humble, honest and determined which I think people will like if he keeps winning.
Some people on here underrate Thurman, he's definitely dangerous for Spence because he hits harder than Brook and Spence gets hit with a lot of right hands. Plus Thurman has speed and a decent defence so he can be awkward to fight.
However, Spence's bodywork would do serious damage against Thurman's glass gut.
It was late in the 11th round man and dude is 41 he had to be feeling it. It was certainly that first uppercut that put him into trouble but he had nothing left to really recover with.
If Wlad survived the 12th would have been interesting because Joshua was blowing his wad.
Should you make stoppage decisions based of a fighter's age? I think too many refs make decisions based on preconceived notions. Shouldn't you treat them the same at the start of the fight and see how it plays out?
I think referees should just stick to what they see in front of them and how much punishment a guy's taken over a fight.