If PBC had belts would you respect / acknowlege them over the Alpphabet titles?

It would make their fights more interesting and relevant if they had their own belt. Everyone knows that Thurman is the best welter they have, but what about junior middleweight or featherweight etc? The truth is I would judge the true champion by who is the best in the division or who has the best wins, exactly the same as now, but I would welcome it to make PBC more interesting. People who say boxing "has too many belts already" are missing the point. Do you believe that any of the big four organisations are going the replace the others? Is there one body that you support above the rest? If not, then what you need is a new belt that succeeds and eventually replaces the existing ones. That is the only way we're ever gonna get one belt per division. that won't happen..... by the time that eventually rolls around, PBC will just be the 5th turd in the punchbowl they would need to separate themselves from the crowd right from the start, otherwise the fans/fighters and the current sanctioning bodies will see them embroiled in controversy after controversy as they gradually sink down to the level of their competitors

yea, I don't even plug Parker, and he is the only potential world-class fighter we have had since Tua Parker is a big boy, and he looks to have the goods..... so if he is going to make it on the world stage, then he can make it there all by himself..... without any bullshht/fanfare from me if he makes it, great.... if not, oh well..... boxing will still be here, and there will still be plenty of young talent coming through..... and yea, I don't care where they come from, black/white/green, it matters not your boy Brook has a tough fight coming up buddy that should be good, looking forward to it I really like what I've seen from Parker and want to see him mix it up with fighters like Wilder, Fury, Ortiz, Povetkin, Wlad, and Miller.

lol maybe they could defend it against the rod salkas of the world. actually no its a good thing it didn't happen. pbc is dead anyway. spike just canceled on them as well as espn.

It would make their fights more interesting and relevant if they had their own belt. Everyone knows that Thurman is the best welter they have, but what about junior middleweight or featherweight etc? The truth is I would judge the true champion by who is the best in the division or who has the best wins, exactly the same as now, but I would welcome it to make PBC more interesting. People who say boxing "has too many belts already" are missing the point. Do you believe that any of the big four organisations are going the replace the others? Is there one body that you support above the rest? If not, then what you need is a new belt that succeeds and eventually replaces the existing ones. That is the only way we're ever gonna get one belt per division.

Some people think i'm a freaking Brit because I rate Fury and Brook highly, lol. I'm a spic born in the USA, I just know boxing and I am unbiased, and non-nationalistic. IDGAF where a fighter is from, I think that way of thinking is petty and narrow minded. yea, I don't even plug Parker, and he is the only potential world-class fighter we have had since Tua Parker is a big boy, and he looks to have the goods..... so if he is going to make it on the world stage, then he can make it there all by himself..... without any bullshht/fanfare from me if he makes it, great.... if not, oh well..... boxing will still be here, and there will still be plenty of young talent coming through..... and yea, I don't care where they come from, black/white/green, it matters not your boy Brook has a tough fight coming up buddy that should be good, looking forward to it

Nope! I can't even respect the alphabet titles anymore. There are more belts than letters of the alphabet now, most of which are probably worth less than a regular belt for holding up trousers. The Poster Boys Club would be handing out belts like a peddler hand out flyers on the street corner.

Seriously? :rofl: Had him pegged American for sure, mind you I woulda said the same about SugarKaine/ Mirko too and he's Turkish apparently - guess I gotta work on my preconceptions. Regardless, though, any talk about unifying the sport has to be tackled at an international level. Any discussion about Haymon and Oscar getting together to monopolise US TV coverage is all well and good, but wouldn't come remotely close to achieving what I think most boxing fans would like to see. I know it's probably heresy to most but the closest thing to 'legitimising' the sport under a single international body is probably the AIBA route, despite the fact that they're probably as corrupt as any of the alphabet orgs. Thing is there's simply too much money and too many vested interests in maintaining the status quo. Some people think i'm a freaking Brit because I rate Fury and Brook highly, lol. I'm a spic born in the USA, I just know boxing and I am unbiased, and non-nationalistic. IDGAF where a fighter is from, I think that way of thinking is petty and narrow minded.

He is a Kiwi lol. Seriously? :rofl: Had him pegged American for sure, mind you I woulda said the same about SugarKaine/ Mirko too and he's Turkish apparently - guess I gotta work on my preconceptions. Regardless, though, any talk about unifying the sport has to be tackled at an international level. Any discussion about Haymon and Oscar getting together to monopolise US TV coverage is all well and good, but wouldn't come remotely close to achieving what I think most boxing fans would like to see. I know it's probably heresy to most but the closest thing to 'legitimising' the sport under a single international body is probably the AIBA route, despite the fact that they're probably as corrupt as any of the alphabet orgs. Thing is there's simply too much money and too many vested interests in maintaining the status quo.

I sympathise with the spirit of this post, but you don't think it betrays just a smidgeon of Americocentrism do you? He is a Kiwi lol.

nope, that would be just another worthless title " titles "..... are just opinions opinions are like azzholes, everyone has one the worst problem within boxing is the fact that we have multiple sanctioning bodies, but it would take something special to fix it you are definitely onto something, but I think it is too late because I am aware that is the problem, a potential solution has been obvious for some time..... an organisation would have to literally buy the existing belts from the fighters and burn them, contracting the champions (and most of the top10 in each division) to the new organisation..... which would take a considerable financial commitment a partnership between Haymon and Hoya, using The Ring as the governing body, would likely be the only conceivable option that I could imagine of late..... but, highly unlikely they would have to get at least the 2 major boxing commissions on board (likely as overseer's)..... they would have to notify the 4 official sanctioning organisations that they are now defunct..... and they would have to inform all of the fighters that there is now only one belt that matters..... ..... and at the same time they would need to secure every available television date and compose a new regulated format and a great marketing campaign it could be correct to say that any single governing body > having 4 separate entities control the sport..... no matter who that single governing body is..... because they would have to play it on the level if they want to succeed it could not compete alongside the 4 existing bodies, it would actually have to replace them I sympathise with the spirit of this post, but you don't think it betrays just a smidgeon of Americocentrism do you?

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because..... you guys only have 1 TV channel over there ? anything could happen man, Haymon knows this PBC would need a hostile takeover for that to work.... they would need to restructure boxing officially, not become the 5th opinion proclaiming to be the best, no matter how many of the "old" titles they managed to grab Not really, they just need the relevant fighters and champions, they have the money and the networks already. It doesn't need to be a complete world domination of a sanctioning body, it just needs to be the most relevant "league" like the MLB or NBA.

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Haymon controls every major US boxing broadcaster except for HBO. If HBO exits the business, Haymon controls everything. If Haymon controls everything, he could effectively shut the alphabelts out of any major US fights. They lose their 3% of the big US money and it becomes impossible for them to all thrive and/or survive. It's not that there's 1 channel. Obviously there are hundreds of channels. But there are 10 English channels showing world title fights and Haymon controls 9 of them. For those not in the US, it might be hard to understand just how much power Haymon has and how unstoppable he becomes if HBO ever exits the business. there are only 2 channels that pay him for content, Showtime and Spike. Everything else is a time buy, so that "control" only lasts as long as the bank account does........

but the number of belts recognized by the US networks would be dropping from 4 to 1 . . . because..... you guys only have 1 TV channel over there ? anything could happen man, Haymon knows this PBC would need a hostile takeover for that to work.... they would need to restructure boxing officially, not become the 5th opinion proclaiming to be the best, no matter how many of the "old" titles they managed to grab

the alphabelts only gained power because TV wanted them. they keep their power because TV wants them. if US TV ever rejects them, they're toast. haymon can't afford to reject them until he's got his longterm TV deal and HBO pulls out of the business. wasn't that long ago that the WBU was considered a "world" title in the UK because the TV networks allowed it. when sky said no more WBU, the WBU was a cooked goose. when sky said no more IBO and when gary shaw lost his grip of showtime, the IBO lost all of their momentum and still hasn't recovered. you're only a world champion because the television tells the audience that you are . . . don't you guys have more than 1 channel ? we got 3 here :) :)

But they won't be competing with the ABC bodies, PBC already holds most of the titles and will continue to accrue them. Your last rebuttal to that point was "they will just make more titles" but we both know it isn't that simple for them, you can't just pump out more titles at a crazy rate or you will lose credibility fast among the other ABC bodies alone, it's like pumping millions of dollars into an economy and not expecting the currency to drop or react in any way, it's absurd to think there aren't consequences to that sort of reaction, and the ABC bodies are smarter than that. They will get desperate but that doesn't mean they will do something stupid and make the situation worse. Don King at one point was considered unstoppable in the industry and look at his relevance now? If you don't think that can't also happen to the ABC bodies you're crazy. no, you misunderstand.... why would the ABC organisations need to make new "titles", they have titles already?..... the very second PBC establish their own "belts", they would automatically be vacating the ABC belts..... the ABC bodies will react, they will simply adjust their rankings and appoint new champions..... why would they choose to recognize the new PBC belt? ..... and that is because PBC would be competing with them, on THEIR level..... by doing the exact same thing, bringing the total to 5 we went over all that already in order to justify their existence, the ABC bodies need only to ask the question, NOT supply the answer..... otherwise it would be impossible to have 4 of them already, it would be impossible to have 2 e.g. Golovkin fans justified Wade by saying..... " mando doe " they will just appoint new champions, just like they do now when a champ retires PBC would need a hostile takeover for that to work.... they would need to restructure boxing officially, not become the 5th opinion proclaiming to be the best, no matter how many of the "old" titles they managed to grab

that is the WHOLE problem, and my WHOLE point PBC will compete with the ABC bodies, on THEIR level..... and nothing much will change like you said, we will have to wait and see what happens over the next few years I think they will continue to be successful at what they do now But they won't be competing with the ABC bodies, PBC already holds most of the titles and will continue to accrue them. Your last rebuttal to that point was "they will just make more titles" but we both know it isn't that simple for them, you can't just pump out more titles at a crazy rate or you will lose credibility fast among the other ABC bodies alone, it's like pumping millions of dollars into an economy and not expecting the currency to drop or react in any way, it's absurd to think there aren't consequences to that sort of reaction, and the ABC bodies are smarter than that. They will get desperate but that doesn't mean they will do something stupid and make the situation worse. Don King at one point was considered unstoppable in the industry and look at his relevance now? If you don't think that can't also happen to the ABC bodies you're crazy.