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Pacquiao Vs. Clottey Pacquiao TKO 8 Mayweather Vs. Mosley Mayweather UD Arreola Vs. Adamek Adamek KO 8 Klitschko Vs. Chambers Klitschko TKO 10 Johnson Vs. Cloud Johnson UD Jones Jr. Vs. Hopkins 2 Hopkins UD Khan Vs. Malignaggi Khan UD Valero Vs. Peterson Valero KO 7 Cotto Vs. Foreman Cotto TKO 7 Froch Vs. Kessler Kessler UD Ward Vs. Green Ward UD Dirrell Vs. Abraham Abraham KO 9

Berto by close, maybe even controversial, decision.

I think that one was very early in the 1st episode.

If he ko's him flush, Maidana does not beat ten count, then yeah, extremely surprised. A TKO in favor of Khan on the other hand is a way more realistic ending for the fight.

I don't remenber the outcry for Mares when the fight happened lol he was lucky to get a draw. From what I remember, most had it in favour of Mares though it was close by 1 or 2 rounds. And the Showtime broadcasting crew were all ok with the draw, even though they leaned more towards Mares (at least Bernstein and Tarver had it 115-113). Their press row scoring also all three scored for Mares. He was definitely not lucky at all to get a draw, the rounds he won, he won BIG, punch stats were all clearly in his favour. Also look at the reactions after the announcement. Mares was very disappointed and Perez celebrated the draw.

Yes, Perez was lucky to get the draw, like I said, I had it 6-6 at best for him, so for him it was the best possible ending. I thought you stated Mares got lucky with the draw...

I had it for Mares, either 7-5 rounds or 8-4. From what I remember, everything from 8-4 to 6-6 looked plausible, so the draw was ok although very unfortunate for Mares.

http://suljos.tv/indexMex.html Showing a replay of Morales-Limond, no?

Berto by decision Marquez by KO/TKO Caballero by KO/TKO Campbell by decision Lara by KO/TKO Ward by decision Abraham by decision (although there will be knockdowns)

Request seconded, haven't found a working link yet. Ao-Tajbert is over already (won't spoil the result)

okay that would be 11:30 pm finnish time and boxingguruuk says 00:30 finnish time, idk what to believe lol. I guess I'll just wait and see, hopefully it's 00:30 because otherwise I'm gonna have to watch it at a stream instead of the tv. Coverage of this fight starts around 11CET in Germany and Austria, and the fight itself is scheduled at 11:30 CET, so yeah, that would be 0:30 Eastern European Time. Enjoy the fight!

any1 know what time the fight will start US time??? 2:30 PM Pacific Standard Time 5:30 PM Eastern Standard Time

didn't ward already get a 2 point bonus in the tournament because his friend dropped out? his road has been dramaticlaly easier than the others for sure True he did get 2 points for nothing after Dirrell did drop out. With the whole farce of postponements and 3 out of 6 people pulling out, the tournament stage was a bit ridiculous anyways. The chances for Ward having it "easy" (not everyone will agree) with Johnson in the semis is not so big, only with 1 out of 4 possible outcomes (Abraham wins early). There's a fifth possible outcome, although not very likely, a draw. That way it would be Ward-Froch and Abraham-Johnson, too.

The chance that the two meet again in the semis is rather slim though, only if Abraham wins by KO/TKO and by that overtakes Ward (who can not make points against Bika, which is a bit unfair...), in all else scenarios it is rather unrealistic, (I believe Abraham must win pretty much all rounds before getting stopped late, then it could also happen).

He is not the absolute best out there (somewhere around #10-#20 P4P), but he is everything that is right about boxing. How anyone can not be a fan is beyond me. And I agree on this: sergio blows him out though. his arms are too short at 154, he's not built for anything about 147 just like hatton wasn't built for anything over 140 I am not a fan of the Martinez fight at all, even though it's yet again proof that the guy is a warrior and the fight will definitely sell good. But Martinez is too big for him, even at 154.

There will be a bit of a void for generally accepted "great" fighters after Pacquiao and Mayweather that above average fighters like Andre Ward and Juanma Lopez will have a hard time to fill until Abner Mares, Frankie Gomez, Jose Benavidez Jr and quite a few most of us probably haven't even heard of yet will take over. There's something about Amir Khan that makes me think he could be P4P#1, but of course he has to overcome a few tests before that (his chin vs Maidana, then Ortiz and Bradley).

Calzaghe by far. You could also make a case for Hamed, probably Tyson too, but for almost 10 years of my life Tyson=boxing for me, so I'm kinda biased here.

:rofl::rofl: Juanma is ten on Ring Magazines pound for pound, at 27 years of age. True Story, and Abner Mares ducked Lopez, by moving down in weight. Abner couldn't even win a belt.... I didn't mean to disrespect Juanma (or Ward, but you only seem to care about the Puerto Ricans anyways), he definitely could turn out to be one of the top dogs after Pacquiao and Mayweather (and also Martinez) retire, it's just that his name is far from being a brand and a draw like those two. So I don't think he'll have a similar superstar status anytime soon. Mares is one of the most talented young boxers at the moment, and what he achieved at the age of 24 is quite remarkable, I think that guy is the truth. But then again, he is Mexican, no sense in talking to you about him I guess.

These are Mexicos top Prospects, I like Frankie Gomez, Jose Jr, even abner Mares I was just saying that to be hard on you for saying a top ten p4p'er is just above adverage lol, the rest not so hot with, but I'm getting with Canelo a lil, hard to stomach that JOse Cotto wobbled him, but whatever. :D Alright, fair enough. ;) Yeah, I like Canelo as a fan and I think he is marketable as f*** with the red-haired Mexican thing and his youth, but from an objective point of view, he is still very raw and I'm not sure if he'll really reach P4P status... That said, I think he'd beat Chavez Jr though and I would like to see that. Frankie Gomez on the other hand, that guy is the truth, I'll be damned if he won't make it far... As for Abner Mares, I don't know about him ducking Juanma (who I rate as one of the most exciting fighters at the moment, I admit that "above average" was a very poor way of saying they are not anywhere near the Pacquiao and Mayweather status yet), but he is already elite in his division and beat Yonnhy Perez in his last fight, even if 2 judges saw it as a draw. For him to face the top dogs (Perez, Darchinyan, Agbeko) at the age of 24 and not being a crass underdog is huge. He has every chance to take P4P lists by storm in the next 1-2 years.

Not a bad list in my opinion. Cotto is a bit high, Gamboa is more ranked by potential than by actual achievement and my main quarrel is Hopkins, who I would not have in my top10 anymore. Some will have a problem with Mosley in that list, but I believe he is still a top10-15 fighter.

1. Pacquiao 2. Mayweather 3. Martinez 4. JM Marquez Quite a gap after those 4, but in no particular order also in the top10-12: Andre Ward, Tim Bradley, both Klitschkos, Montiel, Juanma Lopez, Chad Dawson, Cotto, Mosley and soon Abner Mares

No, no way actually. Shane is still too smart and fast enough to beat a still very raw Saul Alvarez. I think people read way too much into the fights against Mayweather (hard to look good against Floyd, and he actually managed to hurt him, which was quite an achievement) and Mora (not his weight class and very uncomfortable opponent, simple as that, and I think he actually won a close fight). Shane is still a P4P fighter.

The oppening line is; Unity and Justice and Freedom. What's wrong with that? The "Deutschland über alles" verse has not been officially used after 1945 and in Germany it only gets cited by people with... let's call it an "easily identifiable mindset" (or Neo-Nazi scum, if you will).

you know what else germany has a lot of?... nazis But does it still have more than the US? And are they overprotected? Deutschland über alles! Not cool

Sartisan, the Kazakhstan born dude who holds a version of the WBA SMW title that Ward has. At least the others got a name that sounded similar to their own. where the **** did felix sturm come from? Is it a literal translation or something? Ah yes, Sartison, saw his defense against Gevor. Ok boxer, but hardly a deserving champion, in my opinion. Felix Sturm is a complete alias, has no connections to his birthname. He chose his first name because he likes its meaning (Felix = the lucky one) and the last name because of an early newspaper article about him (Sturm = storm in German, and the headline was something like "Catic went over his opponent like a storm") I know he defends his choice of an alias at every opportunity and says it helped him overcome racist chants in the earlier stages of his career, but I still think it's ridiculous and it looks like a sole marketing move...

Looks very good actually! I agree that the most unrealistic is how much and frequently they land their shots, but if you make that more realistic,you lose a lot of casual gamers, because it's not enough action for them...

There is no such thing as going to the body too often. Fighters dont go there ENOUGH. Agreed. At the latest when he fights 10 and 12 round fights, going to the body "too often" will pay dividends for him. Everyone who has ever boxed knows about the essence of body shots. If you hit someone in the face, his first reaction is to hit back. If you give him a good body shot, then not so much... Both Benavidez and Frankie Gomez are extremely young, they can't look like world beaters in every fight. The way they are getting brought up, they will have their first real career defining fights in what, 4 or 5 years? Are we going to raise them up to future #1 P4P champions and write them off as total bums who will never make it a few dozen times until then?

how many of these "germans" are actually German? Sebastian Sylvester, Jürgen Brähmer, Sebastian Zbik and Felix Sturm were born in Germany. Sturm has Bosnian descent (no big deal, a lot of people in Germany have parents from former Yugoslavia, since they were fugitives during the horrible Balkan War). Champions with German citizenship, who were not born in Germany: Marco Huck - born in Serbia, Bosnian descent, in Germany since he was 11 years old, German citizenship since 2009 Robert Stieglitz - born in Russia, In Germany since he was around 18 years old, German citizenship since 2009 I don't have a problem with anyone coming to another country trying to make a better life for themselves and their family, I think it's great that those possibilities exist and I applaud them for taking them and succeeding. The issue that I have is the ridiculous name changing from their promoters to make them seem more "German". Felix Sturm was born as Adnan Ćatić, Marco Huck as Muamer Hukić and Robert Stieglitz as Sergei Stieglitz, for example. Artur Abrahams birth name is Awetik Abrahamjan (born in Armenia), by the way, but he is no champion at the moment. Who else did I miss? Those are 6, I can't think of another German champion... The Klitschkos don't count, they live/lived in Germany and were with Universum for a long time, but they have Ukrainian citizenship.

Just because some reprobate wants to embrace it, it shouldn’t mean that it loses it’s original legitimacy. And if we’re talking about ultra-nationalistic psychos, look no further than Megamerican -- he's hate wrapped in a different flag. I'm not saying using it automatically makes you one of them, especially not when you're from abroad and not fully aware of its meaning and current significance, but in Germany itself (and also Austria for that matter) it is 100% stigmatized and used by far right wing idiots only. Just like 88 is a number, but when you come across someone with 88 in his nickname or whatever it's no secret what kind of beliefs that guy has, no matter what legitimacy the number itself might have. Megamerican is fun, can't help but laugh how easy some are offended by facts such as the one that US boxing has seen better days.

Good one! This 24/7 will be boring as hell though.