well, i think u are a reasonable floyd fan so i would explain my point. why is it very hard for floyd to accept the 24 day compromise?is he saying that Pac would risk using PEDS during such period coz remember he will be tested again after the fight? so maybe when Pac called their bluff, floyd said no coz in the very first place, it was him who doesnt want the test. it was just floyd's bluff.. just my opinion ala floyd sr
I have no real expertise when it comes to drug testing of athletes. I think at best its a constant war between the drug makers and the testers, and is not an easy thing to test for when you get to the top end of athletes that can afford the best like that Balco stuff. When it comes to getting information on this issue, I think that most people high up in sport would agree that the olympic level testing is the top standard at the moment. That is, if anyone is going to catch you, chances are its their system.
I am not willing to accept the athletic commission of a state as the be all and end all of testing. While I will accept that so far, they have been the top dog when it comes to boxing, however, I think as boxing (like the world in general) becomes more global we need ever more stringent measures to ensure things are fair. I am certainly not necessarily on FLoyd's side here. I am on the side of whoever demands testing of the highest calibre. I think it needs to be instituted totally across the sport. As I mention in every second post, this is a sport where men put their lives potentially on the line to win and I dont think there is any excuse for boxing not to have the same measures to ensure play as almost every other sport professional or amateur. I dont have an opinion on who is scared of who in the mega fight that may never be. I do think boxing needs to think long and hard about things though. This is the perfect oppurtunity for the sanctioning bodies to step in and demand this level of testing for all fights in future.
the link that you posted is the USADA CEO who last year made an announcement that they can detect HGH through urine tests and promised to improve the urine tests. yet now this same USADA CEO is saying they need blood and urine test. talking about improving the tests!!!!:boxing:
Actually, HGH is only one of the myriad thigns used as performance enhancing substances by athletes. If it was only HGH they had to worry about, there wouldnt be a drug problem in sport anymore :)
In fact, as the piece alludes to, many of the agents they cant even test for, however tests including blood and urine can test for slight changes in general body chemistry which result from drug use.
far more advanced substance that Floyd can use right?that's why he said no to 24 day limit when Pac made a compromise. 14 day limit when the mediation was over by floyd. Doing the floyding again
Floyd has stated he is willing to take the same tests he is proposing for pacquaio... If I am understanding your barely coherent response.
NSAC should just tell floyd to stfu and let them handle the testing.
Im not sure if I feel comfortable with boxing having less stringent drug testing that the amateur sports of the olympics. Again, the stakes are pretty damn high. How many guys die in the ring each year? Id guess more than die on the track or the high jump mat.
In addition, the fact that boxing is such a truly international sport, Im not sure the requirements of the commission of one sport in one state is sufficient as the be all and end all of international testing regimes.
Noone remembers whether or not someone was accused of using steroids. It happens a lot more often in other sports than you may realise. They do tend to remember the people who for some reason or another were "unable" or "unwilling" to take certain tests propsed to them.
For the general public, most of the coverage and anecdotal evidence I notice is that people are shocked that boxing doesnt comply with olympic style testing as a whole anyway. If anything it has roused more suspicion amongst the general sports watching public.
his fans should have turned on him when he fought Marquez and cheated on the scales. his fans should have turned on him when he made comments like " i am greater that SSR and SSL". however, his fans always find a way to lick his balls. also why not accept the 24 day proposal?why would he insist on 14 day after the mediation? it's floyd who is going beyond what NASC demands
I think you may find this article interesting. It explains the inadequecy of setting time limits on drug testing. It also outlines the importance of taking blood as well as urine. It also explains how they dont take enough to effect performance. Olympic sprinters deal in the 0.01 of a second. Im pretty sure they would have more to risk by giving blood the morning of their event?
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/2009-12-23-olympic-style-testing-the-last-hurdle_N.htm
Important point to note: "We don't do anything that can potentially impact an athlete's performance. … It's a matter of learning about the process. There's just a lack of the knowledge about these issues."
Considering this, I think Floyd is being more than generous. I dont see how this issue is limited to this fight anyway. I find it unforgiveable that this isnt enforced for all fights in order for them to get licensed in progressive countries. People die int he ring for christ sakes. Forget pac and floyd, everyone should do these tests!!!!!
When you got peoples accusing you of using ped, you're approching the GOAT. Manny Pacquiao is to good for hid own good right now. He's doing the impossible so peoples is just hating on him.
People are accused of using PED all the time. If your theory rang true then entire teams at the Tour de France would be all time greats.
yeah now ur a drug expert like mayweather sr huh? and this USADA CEO stated his case last year, so i guess their tests should have improved by then. and why would Pac accept the 14 day cut off? coz it's floyd who wants it? how about floyd accepting pac's 24 day cut off?
Dude you didnt read what I said. Im sure that urine and blood tests are both improving over time. You claimed something about urine testing for HGH. I gave you that, however you dont seem to understand that HGH isnt the only thing people use. HGH is what body builders at local gyms use. There are far more advanced substances out there. You are then using a quote from over a year ago, and using it to discount a quote made weeks ago by the same source. You don't have to be a drug expert to know that HGH isnt the be all and end all of performance enhancing drug use. There shouldnt be a cut off at all.
I dont think you will find anyone on the planet who would credit the NSAC with more expertise than the USADA
So we are comparing racing to boxing?
Im not comparing sprinting to boxing. Indeed, I think if anything, a sprinters performance would be more adversely affected by blood tests. The premise behind my post is that I question if the amount of blood taken for these olympic style tests would have any effect whatsoever on an athlete.
in the pro game ya dumb ***
Well by adding in whatever random qualifications we want we could say Kessler is a novice because he's only fought twice in the States? You claimed he was a novice, you were shot down. You obviously learned losing from the same school as Kessler.
kessler has over 40 fights.
ward has 20. the best fighter kessler fought was calzaghe. ward's was miranda.
that's novice fool.
I was cheated by showtime. This tournament contains novice boxers. I thought they were all accomplished in their field :(
He did get totally schooled and must be feeling a bit embarrased at the moment.
I wouldnt really call Ward a novice though. 20 fights isnt nothing and he has fought journeymen like Miranda. I think he's also had over 100 amateur fights. So the dude has spent a lot of time in the ring.
I think he wanted to make a statement by coming out of retirement and thrashing someone in his tuneup fight who took pacman to the wire twice.
I have no comment on whether this statement was made or not but it seems pretty clear why he chose the opponent?
you forgot to add Froch lost and looked like shit against Dirrell
Is that in the same parallel universe where BHop beat Calzaghe. I need to move to this place...Id have won a shitload more money on my bets@!
novice means he's inexperienced.
And we determined that winning an olympic gold medal, along with having over 120 amateur fights, as well as 20 pro fights (enough to gain him consideration for the super 6 tournament), means that he isnt inexperienced.
Im hoping that was a joke. I dont think there is anyone in the world interested in a Floyd/baby Hatton fight.
If its not Mosley, Pac or Maybe Berto or Clottey then I wouldnt bother watchign the fight.
I know that Pacs legacy won't require a fight with anyone younger. I guess what I'm looking for is a welterweight version of Tyson. Someone who appears on the scene with a huge knockout and a couple years later has basically slaughtered anyone else he has faced. I think thats the fight - PAC old warrior vs Crazy caged lion new boy. I guess the unfortunate fact is that there are no young tyson esque fighters out there. That was probably my question.
Is Victor Ortiz much good? Perhaps he's a hope in a couple years. Forgive my ignorance, I dont get a chance to see a great deal of boxing here.
Yeah theres noone right now who would compete with him or draw enough dollars. What I was getting at is there anyone that people could forsee being the next real force in that sorta weight range who could maybe interest people enough in 18 months or so to put a fight with pacman together.
In reference to the guy who asked earlier why I thought he needed to lose to a younger fighter, I guess he doesnt NEED to but I think it would be great for boxing to see that happen. It was great during the Tyson era because people were just as excited about him on the way up, after only a few fights. At the moment it seems all the excitement is around guys who are ready to retire. And thats no slight on them at all, I guess its more a comment on the state of youth boxers at the moment?
by bloodiest encounter, I meant that one guy would end up in a heaving bloody pulpy mass on the floor. At least Katsidis would take one hell of a beating before he went down. Don't worry, Im not delusional enough to think it would be an even fight :boxing:
I think Danny Green's supposed "RJJ clones" were perhaps also prevented from entry? The Australian customs and immigration service are the closest thing to the Gestapo we have here
Im pretty sure that boxing is considered a sport. In a real fight, unfortunatly not even mma can prevent you getting smashed by a chair or table or broken bottle. They are both different sports, neither is truly fighting. Locks and holds are rendered less effective when you can eye gouge or bite the guy trying to do them to you.