tyson would have to be cause he would have beat lewis who beat holyfield who beat tyson.
just like you have to consider barrera better than pacman even though he lost to him.
barrera beat morales, who beat pac, who beat barrera.
anyway tyson was drugged for the lewis fight if he would have been more aggressive he could of koed him. the first round was good for him but then that was it.
y do u hav to consider barrera better than him
IMO barrera is nothing man, morales is the best
barrera doesn't take on the toughest he can find
morales does
and he stays active like mad
takes on chavez, then hernandez, then barrera, then morales, then raheem (which is suppose to be a tuenup), then most likely will face pac again
barera loses to pac, comes back almost a year later and beats an old ayala, then gets by morales then beats fana (o wow lol), now peden
God your an assclown.
Its obvious you just satrted watching boxing if you think Peter/Wlad and Cotto/Torres is one of the "greatest cards ever".
well this is free nad fuck much better than that barrera shit
they could weight train cuz weight training actually devolops mass ... and muscle weighs more than fat.. in addition, with steroids u dont put on much weight, u get a few pounds, and lose fat... .its like rapid power
i would root for morales liek crazy but man, mayewather jus to dam good
the only slight weight i c morales winning is 130....
i mean morales started off at 118, now hes going to go to 135, too much for hi mman
he still is good he beat abduleave a few months back....
arum is promoting him well, its all mental
beat the last guy who beat u (abdulaev)
a guy who has beat u twice in amaeturs (pinto)
it wipes it out, and gives more confidence
as much as i hate ruiz, i give himc reidt for this, he has balls....
he probably wants to face klitshchko but DKP doesn't want him too... so ruiz will fight him, and vitali will murder him
miguel cotto, jcc chavez jr, pretty boi floyd, who else hasent had a chance to show there heart?
i mean all these fighters have tremendous talent and skill. but they have yet to show heart which i think would show how much better they are. fighters like corrales, vargas, pacman, marquez are all great fighters and have proven heart.
wat happens wen cotto gets dropped? will he show heart and get up or not be able to take it.
wat bout wen jcc's power isnt enought to knock out a bum?
wen pbf gets hurt, will he fight his waay back?
i think heart is a big trait a fighter needs. if a fighter has not heart he's nothing.
cotto has IMO
floyd.... he has, he hurted his hands many time, so that was hard for him. punching with haf a hand n still owning his opponent
wtf man this guy officially makes the dumbest threads... WHO GIVES A FUCK. y does religion matters in the sport of boxing all of a sudden.
n u know what, im muslim too,,, and mayb hes not the best muslim but so be it.
hamed and ali were strong muslims, thts ok to.
boxing and religion r seperate.
If Guinn let's his hands go like he did in the Grant fight, Toney could be in for a suprise.
ye thats the only problem i've seen with guinn,... letting his hands go
please tell me im having a bad dream and you didnt just put lance armstrong, and wayne gretzsky in the same league as ali. i mean even jordan doesnt belong there cause ali fights, but those other 2 are in terrible sports. i mean cycling thats a sport? please anyone can ride a damn bike. i guess racing is a sport to? im an athlete then cause i drive a car.
1.. im a fan of every sport
2. their different sports
3. u really think anyone can ride a dam bike, u have to be in AMAZING condition to do that, i would love to c u do the tour da france, or drive a race car for that long without crashing.....
im not getting video man, im jus geting auido
sorry its here now. im using the low quality cuzi h ave shitty quality, dam man this is great, it runs good even though my internet sux, can sum1 do this for american HBO and showtime ppvs n fights?????
well if he was finding his compusre he sure would've won the rounds 2-6, which he didn't. i originally picked VK KO 7, IMO woudl've happen had the fight went on
hers the thing, VK fought b4 lewis did despite the injury. also, lewis retired then.... need i say more.?
I voted no because Lewis got zero fucking credit for who he beat
until the last few years of his fucking career.
I still don't think he's overrated even now, take note of how many people still argue that he's overrated? lol
Do I think he's the greatest of all time? no.
Do I think he was always a punch from being KO'd through the first part of his career? yes
Do I think he was afraid of having to go through another fight like the VK fight? yes
hollister this is a very good post...
but u say that last few years of his career.
but look, against holyfeld, old bum, annd then a past his prime like crazy tyson.
vitali would've won IMO if it went on more round. my prediction initlialy was vitali TKO7, n i think it could've happen, anyway
IMO..... YES HE WAS OVERRATED
doesn't matter to me if hes british
actually im canadian, n he represented canada in the olympics, i think hes ovverrated cuz hes a fag, and never really took on anyone big, until the guy was finsihed.....
the more i watch him the less greater he becomes...his speed was overrated...he didnt have any power bob foster said it best "ali was good..but he couldnt punch his way outta a paper bag"..he lost to norton twice..would have lost to foreman if they fought again
tru he couldnt punch taht hard, but he used to get under the guys skin
honestly man if u really think that he would've lost to foreman ur way off. foreman didn't want to fight him again
he said himself
"usually when u lose to sum1 u tell urself, ' i wana get back in there n get my revenge' when they asked me do u want a rematch i said ' NO WAY'
i hoep they both lose lol.
i mean honestly, if a mandatory defence is against williamson thts jus said man
i think byrd would fight all the big fighters, the champs, but DKP doesn't want to man, he wants 3 different champs in his club, and he dont want to lose nun to vitali.
do i like byrd? no
will i ever? 99.99999999999999% likely not
do i respect him? yes
y do i respect him? cuz IMO he wants to fight the big fighters, he got balls
do i like watchin him fight? fuck no lol
would i pick him to beat vitali? fuck no lol
but i mean,as far as respect goes, i give him his props. he hasn't beat any of these guys convincigly IMO, (oquendo, mcline golata), but i mean, like i said i have respect for him. am i a fan of him, o lord know and i dont like the fag lol...
but respect wise again....i give him his props. if he wants to stay champ, stay with king
Riz man comn your a veteran here and this topic has been discussed allot. Boxrec uses their own point system which is lots of times irrelevant and no one really refers to it. They are only a good site for statistics and boxers records.
yeye i know that but i looked at this specific weight class.
n putting a WBO champ at 12th is kinda stupid dont u think
espeicaill ytaht diaz's last major fight was in 135. same with freiatas
Ali is overrated based on what he did in the 70s,he lost three times to Frazier and he lost three times to Norton,he also went tooth and nail with former club fighter Wepner and lost to novice Leon Spinks.
But that was not Ali at his best,was the Rumble in the Jungle Ali at his best? Think again,he was being battered and looked petrified throughout. Not many people realise that you have to go all the way back to the SOnnly Liston fights to see Ali at his best,and I think he peaked against Cleveland Williams. Against Zora Foley,I thought he took alot of Foley right hands flush,but his devastating handspeed got him out of jail. He certainly was a fantastic fighter in the 60s. But overall,yes hes overrated!
man u gotta get ur shit together. he beat frazier twice, n the norton fights could've gone either way, i gave the last 2 to ali.
n u think he was being battered by foreman????? .... u gotta watch that again man
he wanted a rematch n hewas cleared within weeks. infact, lewis said i want my doctor to check him, and him to said it was fine.
n vitali went and booked a date for dec 6th for a match. wanted a lewis rematch
lewis said no
vitali took on johnson
destroyed him