Is the H/W as dead as made out or are the Klitschkos just that damn effective? I truely believe/know that in any era there styles, size, & skills would of gave anybody major problems.
I honestly do think they get so much stick it's unreal. Both haven't lost in nearly a decade & they have beaten everybody. From fast slick guys to big K.O artists, you name it.
A lot of these guys have been destroying everything until they meet one of the K's & they have barely lost a round, then they fight a Klitschko & get KTFO in the process, barely winning 1 round. It's to the point I think if they was even in any other era & did this everybody would say the division was at an all time low.
Imo we have never seen this before and likely never will, we should respect them both now & fair play a good few are coming round. I also get fed up hearing ''They are boring''
Vitali is not boring and if he is it's because his opponent is scared for his life, pretty much the same with Wlad though he picks his shots better & likes too soften guys up before he goes in for the kill.
They have broken so many records it's ridiculous but I feel they get so little respect, it makes me sick.
I think the golden era is so damn overrated...
This brings me to one question...How does a guy with nothing but a left hook & a decent lateral movement, a guy that is barely 6ft with no jab, two left feet & pretty much a trim but poor mans David Tua beat a Klitschko?
Yes you got it Joe Frazier. I seen you all vote like 25-3 saying Frazier would muller both brothers, you talk about Wlad having no chin HA! Joe Frazier, yes he was damn good, a BEAST in fact but his chin was a ****ing joke & he was limited as hell. HE WOULDN'T OF WON A SINGLE ROUND AGAINST EITHER BROTHER!
And if he fought Vitali, styles make fights, Vitali would of put him into a coma.
You lot on here are a joke IMO & another guy you underrate is Hopkins who has one of the best boxing brains & C.V's EVER! Easily a top 20 of all time, if not better.
Klitschko's - easily top 10 heavyweights, if not in the top 5.
They both haven't lost in nearly a decade cause the division has been dead for that long, fact!!!!!
Pac wants truce down south of P.I between the two groups, M.I.L.F and the Philippine Government.?
Lolz, yup the reservists in America get rank a whole lot faster then the active duty soldiers too. At least he don't have a million medals for stuff he's never done. I know of some countries like that.
If you don't know Pacquiao was an Army.
Do you mean he was in the Army? Cause those are new pictures and I hav'nt heard of him ever being in the Philippine Army. Or is his place in the Government require him to wear a uniform?
Pacquiao has the Military too. If keep them both for peace.
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Why is Pacman wearing a Military uniform?
the thing with pacquiao is he's really from the streets, walked the streets, slept in the streets and even with money he is still in that motherfawking street. he is the real deal unlike mayweather who just uses the streets to hype his wannabe azz then wants himself to be surrounded by roided bodyguards.
I believe this to be true. Mayweathers Sr even said it. Mayweather is not gangster or from the streets.
..I have never felt punches like that in my life.
Smh @ this kid getting his career destroyed and his promoter protects Marg.
Miguel Cotto got cheated out of remaining the #1 Welterweight. No doubt in my mind, he'd of been #1 right now if he beat Margarito... think about how physically & mentally tough he had to be, to be winning most of that fight against brick. He got a rawer deal than Paul Will. At least that sh didn't get hard until the championship rounds. Tone was committing assault for most of that fight against Miguel.
I feel the same. Marg should be barred for life.
Chavez, and no way is it debatable. And they did take cat scans of Chavez's head and determined his jaw and his head were much thicker then the normal humans, which in turn was why he could take harder shots. They say the thicker jaw an head acted as a padding.
Believe me, those freemason handshakes are real, there's something like 5 different types and each mean a rank or something. If you guys wanna hear some good info check this site out. http://truinternational2.blogspot.com/ I don't think everything is a conspiracy, but these guys'll make you think.
The first 2 names that come to mind are......
juan manuel lopez and david haye. I'm still a fan of them 2, but every day that goes but i start wondering about these 2 guys is heart...What about some of you guys? Some of us don't defend our fav fighters when they are wrong.
I lost all respect for Marg. He was one of my favorites. I believe he did have loaded gloves when he fought Cotto and basically ruined him for life. Marg should be banned for life. That's my opinion.
There would be no way you could watch this fight live. You would have to watch it in slow motion to really be able to see what is going on.
HAHAHAHAHA, I agree
I don't think he did the wrong thing at all though.
The corner should have consulted with someone ring side. Then the doctor or whomever should have stood on the ring apron and waved the fight off to the ref. But I'm glad he let Yuri go off on his own terms. It was good for boxing in my opinion. Even though most people probably won't know, cause like in the post I just made ESPN did a horrible job of covering the fight, so mainstream fans won't reall yknow exactly how it went down.
Co-sign...............
he really doesnt look impressive at all in training
Hes slow on his feet, really slow with his hands but his power is decent/good power
Yea, but that's always been his style, kinda like his father, picks his punches, it's not a carbon copy but close. This is his first fight under Roach so I'm not expecting too much. But Ithink he'll get alot better with more training. I remember what Roach did for Johnny Tapia, took him to another level.
I like pac-man because I remember him before he got all famous. I remember his first boxing after dark hbo, back in 2000, he punished and ko'd some guy. I remember telling my pinoy friend at work, this guy is gonna be a good fighter one day. My buddie did'nt even know who he was. But that's when I started liking him.
You mean Ward is no clincher?
One fight and you write him off? One bad showing don't count, look at his other fights. Yea I think you just don't like american fighters or something stupid like that.
Let's call his 40 first fights his "amateur" fights because seriously he's only fought bums. Vanda was the only guy with a desent record, and he loast the first fight eventhough they drew. Now Duddy is no pushover, so if he gets by duddy in a legit way meaning via KO TKO UD then I will pay attention. But as of now I'm not sold on him or his brother for that matter.
That's exactly what I've said in past post's and threads, those fights were kinda like an amateur career with a grossly outdated trainer (his uncle). I'm looking to see what he's gonna do in the future. This is the first fight under Roach, so like I said I'm not expecting much, he's still got a lot to learn. But people should stop listening to Bob Arum, he's a crook. The kid wants to fight the best, and eventually IMO, Roach can get him there.
"Not expecting much"
"Got a lot to learn"
"Eventually....."
Well that fact of the matter is that the kid, solely because of his name, is now rated #1 by the WBC.
How long exactly will he be able to hold that ranking without fighting someone with a pulse?
You can't have it both ways.
He doesn't have 5 more fights or 3 more years to find out if he is ready for someone who actually knows how to box.
The first time he gets in the ring with a real top-5 fighter at any weight he is going to get bludgeoned.
I did'nt say I agreed with him being rated #1 WBC. That's some Don Jose bullshit. Those ratings are all corrupted, especially the WBC. Kids got a lot of potential but should'nt be fighting for a championship, he's only got 40 fights in his whole life, a normal fighter has about 200, amateur and pros. When jr went pro he was still hitting puberty, he's only 23. You sound like you're following all the hype Arum is putting out there. You guys gotta look past all the promoter bullshit. Although I don't believe he should be hosting his own PPV's, but then again that's Bob Arum's doing.
havent seen anything impressive about this kid. I'm sure he's had the best training and coaching in the world because of his dad, but being an elite boxer comes from within.
You need to be blessed with talent.
I believe he's blessed with talent, but the training and coaching? It's the exact opposite. He's had the worst, untill now, with Roach. He was training like his father did, spar everyday and then drink beer and bullshit. Now that he's with Roach, I believe he's gonna start getting serious. All that time was'nt waisted, but undeveloped.
I'll beleive his hype when he takes training serious and comes in more cut the natural way
How do you mean? He took the training serious with Roach, and I've never seen him look as good as he does now, and that's just the start.
this kid is not going to acomplish much, he is riding his fathers jock strap that's why he is even under arum. Duddy sucks but I beat he kills this kid. Duddy has been in the ring against good fighters. Jr hasn't
Riding his fathers jock? Naw that's Bob Arum doing that for money, you're mixing the two up. Julio has never said he was this great fighter and has been humble, Bob Arum has done the hyping. He's under Arum, his father was under Don King. Duddy had an amateur career, Jr did'nt.
TS, dude just delete your account. Both fighters have made the super 6 exciting, except for wards last performace, which I must admit was boring, but part of a good gameplan. The super 6 is not boring. Look at the Kessler vs Froch, that was a good fight.
I dont care the way he looks, he is completely dead on his feet. Might work against mexican cab drivers, but not even against the top 20 of welter-sww.
That's why he's got a new trainer in Roach. Dead on his feet, you ever watch any of his fights? Hahahahaha, at the cab driver comment, I remember when Greg Haugen said that to Sr, and Sr knocked his ass out. Besides, the majority of his fights have been against Americans.
Because it's Kessler vs Froch. No ward nor dirrell
Whatever, you're just a hater, or have some other agenda, throw some facts out there. I don't see anyone agreeing with you.....