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I don't want to see it. Big Pun and Money are 1A and 1B on my favorite fighters list. They're both undefeated, and I don't want either one to lose. I will say I think Paul Williams is too much for EVERYONE at 147. I'd be shocked if he gets beat at all in the next 5 years or so. dude, you are just plain silly. i think pwil is real good, but not losing in the next 5 years? you are crazy! as he steps up his competion he will probably lose. I dont think it matters, he will still be a top player in the division, but he will probably lose. if matthysse can give him a lot of trouble, and margarito gave him a fair amount, how are you going to say he wont lose? oh, dude, dont forget to get Paul's pubes out from between your teeth before bed!

To be honest im still sceptical about Cintrons credentials he took a beating off Maragarito & didnt show much heart to continue in that fight IMO he has rebouded well maybe he has learned from that performance & with Steward in his corner he will improve more & more & after all he does have that awsome power , i just need a bit more evidence that the Maragarito loss was just a bad night Watch kerms fight with Teddy Reid, which happened before the fight with margarito. It was a much rougher fight than the fight with margarito. kerm was a totally different fighter on the night of the margarito fight than he had shown before, or since. It's unfortunate that that is usually the only fight that anyone has seen of cintron. Another fight which could show it was the one with Mark Suarez, but that is only available as a crappy little internet video, because it wasnt aired. Both guys got rocked by pretty big shots, but kermit eventually put him down.

The guy is a glass cannon - big bang, but shatters easily. He has nothing to offer but a straight right hand. Paul Williams is going to break him down with constant assault and pressure. Cintron will drown in a sea of punches. He's gonna start the fight at 5'10 - by the 5th round he'll be down to 5'6. Chop Chop Paul Williams' new name will be Paul Bunyan. Where do you get that he has nothing to offer but the straight right hand? He knocked Matthysse out with a left uppercut... Believe me, manny has him throwing several different punches besides the right hand. I would pick Williams over just about any other welterweight besides cintron, or maybe cotto because of his body shots and pauls long body, but i think i would still favor williams in that fight, but i just dont see him dealing that well with getting hit by cintron. it's a lot different than getting hit by margarito, and you cant see where they come from because of all the angles manny has him working.

All I want to see is the winner of this fight get the credit he deserves, I know anything is possible in boxing, but this is a bad match-up for Cintron. I actually see it the other way. Kerm isnt that much smaller than Paul, he hits like a truck, throws from all different angles, throws short, sharp punches (whereas marg throws wider punches.. and he still landed), and has manny steward in his corner, a guy who is great at coming up with gameplans. On the other side of it, Paul Williams doesnt move around a lot. To throw that many punches, you cant really move around a lot, and that's why marg was eventually able to find him. Also, marg realized that none of those punches really has much gas behind it, so if you can just deal with it, you can walk through them. I actually think kerm matches up better against Pwils freakishly good offensive style better than anyone else at welterweight.

I liked floyd for a while, but his mouth did eventually get to me. Also, his level of competition has not been stellar. I give him his dues for this past weekend, but Ricky at 140 would have been a better fight, De la Hoya 6-8 years ago would have been better, Judah was a headcase when he fought Floyd, Baldomir got lucky in that judah was a headcase and wasnt any where near floyds level (though i understand taking this fight for the linear championship), and Gatti... well, we all saw what Alfonso Gomez did to him. I dont mind the arrogant bit (though i prefer confidence), but i am tired of the Money Mayweather bit. I think we can all agree that PPV and big money has turned the sport we love to shit. It was happening even back in the '50's. Im reading a book now called the sweet science, a collection of boxing articles by a journalist from the 50s and he talks about how the huge money, and on tv fights are killing the sport. So, Floyd, stop throwing money at the camera. it makes you look like a Neanderthal. Also, step up your competion. fight guys that have moved to your weightclass permanently, not just moved there to fight you. fight guys that arent almost a decade out of their prime. fight guys that dont fall apart in the middle of fights. fight Cotto, fight margarito, fight williams, fight cintron, fight clottey, fight one of they guys that are mentioned on this board as being the best competition at 147lbs. The only people on this board that were calling for a Hatton/ PBF fight were the hatton fans. no one else on here thought he had a chance in hell against you (until HBO worked their magic on us with 24/7).

cintron wouldnt last 3 roudns this time. dude, no one takes you seriously at all. everyone on here hugs someones nuts, im not saying you are the only nuthugger. everyone has their favorite fighter, but most of us are somewhat objective. we offer good arguments to back up our statements. you offer none. you just say that margarito would kill everyone, that everyone is ducking him, and that he is a warrior and no one else is. Sad.

Jesse Feleciano. All that needs to be said. Cintrion isnt terrible obviously, but for the hype hes gotten and a possible title shot, he is terrible. Jesse Feliciano - the guy that floyd mayweather uses for sparring when they need a smaller guy who can bring a lot of pressure. he is better than his record suggests. listen, kerms performance was not great, but he KO'd a guy with his best weapon busted.

I see what you saying but Cintron is just an overall powerhouse, he basically lost himself that Margarito fight ya feel me he didn't get KTFO he just took an easy route out of that fight, can't really tell why because up to the point it was stopped Cintron was still competitive but he let it die down, he wont do that again.. Williams is a GREAT opponent for Cintron because he will bang with him, unless Cintron has hurt hands he will give Paul EVERYTHING he throws at him and then some, Cintron's height, reach and power will be the difference here, it ain't that Cintron ain't got no heart neither but that just wasn't his night, he was off point and wasn't fighting to the best of his ability, if it was a matter of not having heart he would have never stuck it out with Feliciano for 10 rounds he would have gave in by then, Cintron got heart it's just you can't win a fight that YOU yourself feel you lost already.. I think cintron believed in himself up until he got the wicked gash on his eye. no one ever mentions that. i think that effected him a lot. that being said, he was embarrassed in the first margarito fight, but i dont think it happens again.

he hurt his hand idiot, now we know why he had trouble beating FELLCIANO, Felliciano dosen't even know how to throw a proper punch. uhm, i know. what are you saying? i clearly say in the post that he hurt his and and that they had to change up their gameplan when he hurt his hand... not sure what you are saying here??

Cintrion is terrible, he got worked by Jesse Feliciano. No way Tony doesnt knock him out. did you know that getting worked by feliciano was his instructed gameplan once his hand got hurt? basically, manny said, let feliciano inside, give away rounds, so he tires himself out. then, in later rounds, steward told cintron to get outside and start boxing and KO him, which he did. if you go back and listen to manny's instructions, that is exactly what he told him. even the commentators were like, "why does manny want him to let this guy inside?" but they didnt know his hand was busted up. It was not a great looking performance, but it was effective for a guy with a busted hand. Yall are gonna say "it was only a bruise", but they didnt know that at the time. for all they knew it was broken or dislocated and had to come up with a gameplan, ugly or otherwise.

a lot of people say that mayweather is like ali, but he isnt. ali was witty, floyd is just ignorant. i could listen to ali go all day long, but floyd gets old after about 2 minutes.

LOL! i don't believe none of this. prove it. since when does a hall of fame trainer like stewart let opponents pound on his fighters? Cintron does not even have heart to begin with. thats why i know that was untrue. and Cintron's hand was not broke. i read that he hurt it in the post fight celebration so that excuse can be thrown out because its a lie. yes Cintron is a papper champion and yes Williams is going to whoop that ass. (if they fight).:boxing: :boxing: :boxing: if you watch the fight, and listen between the early rounds, kermit tells manny his hand is busted. in the early rounds, kermit kept feliciano outside. then after he tells manny his hand is busted, manny said let him come inside, he wont be able to keep this pace up. no one puts that into contention. and you were right, his hand was not broken, but how could either him or manny known that during the fight? you cant diagnose a hand that is wrapped in a glove in the middle of the fight. did you even watch the fight or just "read" about it? because what you read would be INCORRECT. i dont usually do this, but... :owned:

u went to school wit him thats awesome dude. yea he is def an athlete i have heard before he was gifted in ALL sports. agree about the marg fight? what high school was it that he went to around here? truman was it? william tennent in warminster. most articles say he grew up in reading, pa, but they're not right.

I'm 26 and about to start fighting. it's good to see how encouraging everyone is. one thing i have noticed, though... two years ago i was 152 lbs, and it didnt take all that much ridiculous work, or time, to get there. Now, it seems as though my metabolism has taken a nose dive. i started working out pretty intensely 3 months ago, i am in good shape, i can run 10 miles pretty easily, swim for 2 hours straight, do lots' pushups and pullups, but cant seem to get below 175... and i dont have even close to a big enough swing to bang at 175lbs. when i started 3 months ago i was 192, lost the initial 15 pounds in 2 weeks, but nothing since then, really. man, gettin older blows.

so what makes you think cintron has a world class chin or even a remotely good chin? Because he took huge shots from both Teddy Reid and Mark Suarez and kept coming. His loss to marg had NOTHING to do with his chin. Teddy and Suarez have much bigger punches than marg does.

I think floyd would have the most trouble with Pwil and cintron, 1. because of their size, 2. because of Pwils workrate, and 3. because it's been shown that floyd does not like taking big punches and cintron has a big punch, even when it's just a jab. I think floyd would also have trouble with cotto. his style is one that floyd has looked good against, but cotto showed in the mosley fight that he is a lot quicker than a lot of other stalkers, something that could trouble floyd. i think floyd will stick with fighting guys that come up in weight or are past their prime. i just dont see him risking his "legacy" by fighting these guys, though i think he hurts his legacy by not fighting them. i have said it before, but it still holds true... how can you call yourself and atg when you have never been in an all time great fight? i cant think of one mayweather fight that i would watch a second time...

sounds like a class act to me. i met his cousin at the gatti fight, and he was sayin how classy kerm really is. i would like to meet him someday. i was at his gym in reading, pa once to see him spar, but never got to talk to him... he's a good guy. i went to school with him from the time he moved here from Puerto rico. he was always a pretty quiet guy who was insanely gifted at all sports. he holds a bunch of wide receiving, wrestling, track, and baseball records in our high school. it's crazy that he didnt even start boxing until he was 19. personally, i think they took the margarito fight too early.

he would have a punchers chance thats about it well, isnt that really the only chance anyone would have against mayweather? mayweather has shown that he can pot shot and pick apart just about anyone, so wouldnt it really take someone with 1 punch power to catch him in order to win? I think Pwil would give mayweather a good fight as well, because of his activity level, but on thing mayweather has shown... he does not like getting hit and tenses up when he does.

This interview was taken right after Cintron KO of Matthese on 7/14/07.... Interviewer: Mayweather seems to be interested in real big money, do you see that as a fight that can ever materialize and how you think something like that would play out if it ever happens? Cintron: Uhmm you know it a fight that I think is a little risky for him, you know I think he picking his uhmm his fighters now, I think he's just picking his shots. Uhmm and you know he's fighting uhmm from what I hear he want to fight Ricky Hatton. Ricky Hatton is a 140 lber you know who comes forward and anybody can I think in my opinion anybody in the welterweight division can beat him. And like I said he's just picking his opponents and uhmmm he doesn't want to take that big risk. 2 questions: 1. what do you think of Kermit Cintron 2. Can he beat Floyd Mayweather Jr? THis is interesting, and here's why. I see you are a Newb here. I also see this same exact post, word for word, at 3 other boxing forums, posted by a newb... are you just going forum to forum posting the same thing from an interview taken 6 months ago? pretty lame if you ask me.

yeah Cintron backed out because he knows he will lose to Williams. he claims that he has a ''broken hand'' when he didn't. he HURT his hand in the post fight celebration. So, did you see the fight? in particular, the part, where between rounds 2 and 3 where he tells manny steward that he thinks he hurt his hand really bad? and how about when he started throwing nothing but left hooks after that? i didnt know cintron liked left hooks so much, and ive pretty much followed his entire career... LOL! i dont know who was overating Cintron, i knew that he was a B class fighter and a paper champion before that fight. The feliciano fight showed that, unlike jermaine taylor, cintron can listen to Mannys instructions. after cintron told him his hand was hurt manny said... this is paraphrased, but this is the jist of it "we are going to give away rounds, but let this guy inside and tire himself out." - the commentators even commented on this, because they said it sounded like horrible advice, but they didnt know about the injury. then between round 8 and 9, once feliciano started slowing down... "take the guy back outside and box him", which cintron did, and then KO'd him in the 10th. Cintron fought throw a severely damaged ligament (which he obviously thought was a break) in his right hand, listened to his trainer, and got a knockout... how is that a B class fighter? any more speculating you want to do, or do you want to deal with the actual facts of what went down in reality, instead of what you made up in your head? FYI, i think Pwil is a great fighter but he will get beat. i dont think that really matters though. i think we are looking at a great class of fighters in the WW division right now, and i dont see anyone coming out undefeated if they all step up and face one another.

He's not getting any hype, he's seen for what he is for the most part.. i would say he is hyped quite a bit. not that he isnt good, just that he is overhyped after one win over a top tier guy (and a lot of people that are hyping Pwil are also the ones saying that margarito is trash, so that is kind of interesting, since that is Pwils biggist win, and Pwil had a tought fight on his hands... so goes the duality of boxing forums). i think he definitely makes waves in the division for a while, but he is a bit overhyped at the moment. a lot of people have crowned him P4P king and a world beater, already.

Okay so after Paul beats Quinatana then the fight is on??? and another question who is Cintron about to fight..because Marg is fighting Judah April 26th from what Ive heard. yeah, i dont know. probably clottey, if marg wont happen. manny's smart, he wont let cintron give up the belt, so he will have to fight his mando if they cant line up margarito. personally i would like it to go like this.... Fight 1 - Cintron vs. Clottey Fight 2 - Cintron vs. Williams Fight 3 - Loser of Fight 2 vs. Margarito Fight 4 - Winner of Fight 3 against winner of Fight 2 I think that would clear things up a bit. This could line up a super fight with mayweather, or cotto, or delahoya.

Source??? Cintron called out Cotto and Marg...not Williams..I have the video. http://doghouseboxing.com/Gabriel/Montoya_081507.htm that is the first time either fighter commented on fighting one another, and it was cintron saying he would fight Paul Williams http://doghouseboxing.com/gabriel/montoya_082007.htm this was the second interview where it got mentioned, where dan goosen said that Cintron and steward told him that they wanted to fight paul williams. as you can clearly see, the Pwil/ cintron fight was Cintron's idea. He called out marg after the fight with Pwil got put off. But, in a to be released article, both sides are trying to work something out for in the summer.

:owned2: I have no problem with white athletes..you think I was pisses that Chad Henne Michigans qb is white...NO. Sam McGuffie is a white RB and hes Michigans top recruit. I cheer for guys I like...I dont like Pavlik,.....but I love Paul Briggs. I dont like Calzaghe but I love Paulie Malinagii. Idiots man. how can you not like pavlik, but like malinagi? malinagi has NO power and is an arrogant prick. Pavlik is a one punch KO machine who is humble. Are you just into dicks with no power?

Mosely 118-112 if Williams can last the distance. Mosley TKO 6 imo. bro, i hate to agree with nmburner, but you forced my hand on this... mosley loses. i dont know if it would be bad or not, but he loses.

Didnt Paul who was 25 with no big fight expirience go to Califronia "near Margs house" as he put it..and beat his ass??? No one wanted to fight Margarito...except Paul... paul did not beat his ass, he won a boxing match, by not that much. he won, im not disputing that, but to say he beat his ass is taking it a bit far. and there were plenty of people willing to fight margarito, just not mayweather (who FYI is not going to retire as the greatest boxer of all time. that is just laughable.)

stylistically id say williams is terrible for ANYONE Style wise, I think Cintron, and Margarito in a rematch, have the best chances to beat him. they are close to his size and have a bunch of power. Also, just so yall know, cintron didnt forget about PWil. Cintron and Steward are pursuing a fight with Pwil and Goosen for this upcoming summer.

I will seriously laugh if you pick Williams. Calzaghe, i just want to point out that this thread is now 100+ deep, so you have gotten Paul Williams tons of hype yourself. Congrats on doing what you said others were doing. remember, any press is good press. and remember,i agree with you about Pwil being overhyped, so i dont miss your point, but your methods were... odd.

Mosley Cotto Cintron Margarito ALL TURNED HIM DOWN BITCH. Cintron didnt turn him down. cintron was the one who originally called him out, their fight got postponed, and now both sides are trying to work out a time that works for both fighters. the misinformation you spout is ridiculous.

Not to sound offensive, but where did you hear that from? Last I heard Cintron was calling out Margarito for a rematch. Yeah, he still is calling out margarito, and Paul still needs to fight quintana. If judah/ margarito happens, i have to assume cintron will fight clottey. if zab/ marg doesnt happen, cintron might have to fight marg in the spring, then clottey early summer. if this happens, Pwil/ cintron would probably be late summer/ early fall. Steward doesnt mind fighting his fighters often. i got this info from Gabriel Montoya over at the boxing doghouse. He is putting together an article about the entire situation. It's actually a pretty complicated situation where what the fighters want, what the managers want, what the trainers want, and what HBO wants dont really jive with one another, at all. They are hoping to have it sorted out by summer so they can Tango.