:ugh: You're a fckng idiot and a fanboy. This was a close fight either way.
Yeah I write all those points on why I think Frampton clearly won, but i'm the fanboy
Mexican fighter in his avi, Mexican fighter in his sig, saying the Mexican fighter who got exposed won the fight
Oh ya im the fanboy
but you don't give Frampton the round based on defense. You are aware there are 3 other scoring criteria.
Not solely based on defense, no. But you made it seem like making a guy miss over and over is not a positive in terms of scoring.
Frampton was more accurate
Frampton landed the harder, more solid punches
Frampton hurt LSC
Frampton dictated the pace in that he didn't let LSC overwhelm him
Frampton had superior footwork and super defense
Frampton went on the back foot and front foot almost at will throughout the fight
Frampton outfought LSC on the inside, catching and punching with accurate counters
Frampton both started exchanges AND countered when LSC tried to get off
Anyone who really thinks LSC won this fight doesn't know anything about boxing
It was a huge robbery. And I'm not even a LSC fan. I called him Santa Clown when he was fighting sparring partners for $750K.
You can be the better boxer, but if your opponent throws five punches with your three, there's no way you can win the fight. Only way you can win such fight is via KO.
Like they always say, offense is the best defense. LSC is that kind of fighter.
:unitedsta
Are you literally stupid?
What if somebody throws 5, misses all 5, while the other guy lands 2 of his 3?
That's what happened most of this fight, get outta here man
Then you put the American flag in your post at the end, sure you aren't biased
And you reward Frampton for not throwing or landing a single punch during that whole same sequence?
Defense is literally one of the major criteria of judging a boxing match
Right. ..just coincidence... and as if commissions or the judges have no influence or "favors" from the networks that run it? This is boxing. ..
You honestly have almost 4,000 posts on a boxing forum and are trying to argue that the PBC sets the rules and not the commission? Or that the PBC can influence boxing rules?
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I thought I seen it all on NSB :rofl:
Dan Rafael is an absolute joke and should barely have his own blog let alone be ESPN's lead boxing reporter.
Nothing insightful, no actual knowledge of what's happening INSIDE the ring, and just completely childish on Twitter.
The type of guy to go to an event and tweet all Sunday complaining about waiting for flights instead of giving any compelling views on what happened the night before.
I dare anyone here to post an insightful and investigative piece penned by Rafael, you won't be able to because he doesn't actually write anything informative.
Instead, Dan simply reports the news (which anyone can do) and copy pastas from press releases.
Ah damn, even so I don't know if I'll be home for the main event if people get KO'd lol. I might be at class in the morning or at noon instead :lol1:
Catch it when you get home! I'm sure it'll be available everywhere, probably even YouTube.
I think Wach is underrated, he's looked slow in his fights but he can punch, he can most certainly take a punch and his skills are not as worse as some people like to make out, their are slower heavyweights out there, Ustinov for example.
Wach with his combination punching and toe to toe style could potentially stop some of the guys currently ranked within the top ten, if he could land one of his trademark crushing blows. He has enough power to trouble Povetkin, that much is certain.
Povetkin seems to have a solid chin, but they are Heavyweights. I think Povetkin blows out Wach, I can't believe how much people are underrating his last few wins, but the rest of the card looks really competitive w/ Lebedev/Kayode, Cuenca/Troya and Chakhkiev/Afolabi.
My assumption would be if the upside is worth it sure why not. Again if PBC is successful at what they are attempting they'd be an elite league of boxing like hasn't been seen in boxing during its history. They'd be billions of dollars involved.
The UFC is worth $2B. How much a UFC of boxing would be worth is highly speculative, but I'd assume more than $2B. The people involved with that would be handsomely paid for this global entity. I'd suggest it'd be worth more to be a little fish in PBC's worldwide pond than be a big fish in the UK pond.
A ton of assumptions here off of my assumption Haymon would wanna bring Hearn into the PBC fold at a higher level or that Hearn would accept such a situation, but I think its a big enough entity in theory, if successful, that it'd be a enhancement to Hearn & not a fleecing of Hearn to be involved at a higher level & likely still be able to run his current outfit or perhaps just hire someone to replace him & he'd just increase his revenue streams. Again all this is HIGHLY speculative & is something that'd be years down the road if it came to be I'd suggest.
While it's been fun it just seems like your writing a fiction novel now, and you admit yourself that everything your saying arejust assumptions that would be years down the road. I'm talking about this article and Al Haymon targeting a UK invasion right now. With the way the situation is now, I can't see Matchroom and PBC "merging" and Eddie Hearn becoming some PBC CEO UK Division.
They should disclose if I read this correctly
(b) Disclosures to the boxer A promoter shall not be entitled to receive any compensation directly or indirectly in connection with a boxing match until it provides to the boxer it promotes—
(1) the amounts of any compensation or consideration that a promoter has contracted to receive from such match;
(2) all fees, charges, and expenses that will be assessed by or through the promoter on the boxer pertaining to the event, including any portion of the boxer’s purse that the promoter will receive, and training expenses; and
(3) any reduction in a boxer’s purse contrary to a previous agreement between the promoter and the boxer or a purse bid held for the event.
That was part of Mikey Garcia's lawsuit. This information wasn't disclosed so he was unable to negotiate a fair rate of competition for himself because he wasn't given financial information from his fights.
Like I said earlier, if the fighter doesn't know the bottom line profit, how do you know if the purse amounts are fair?
OnePunch, would a promoter signing his fighter to another card need to disclose? Even when fighter is getting the cheque?
As many have pointed out, this has nothing to do with PBC and was discussed while the PBC was still effectively GBP.
If this arrangement goes through between the sanctioning bodies, they will undoubtedly change the name to something else instead of "Premier."
:lol1: of course she does. She's a promoter.
She made very solid points and you could argue that the fighter headlining is only one part of the equation for some promoters.
If I'm a promoter with a TV deal and sponsors, what's to say any fighter headlining is the reason why the show brings revenue? Cunningham headlining her NBC shows definitely wasn't the reason she made revenue (which she probably didn't make much anyway in reality).
In instances of losing a purse bid, you are correct. Most other times though when putting a fighter on someone elses card, the promoter will simply utilize whats called a "provision of services" agreement. Basically it just means he is providing the services of the fighter to the other promoter, in exchange for xxx number of dollars.
So instead of a percentage of purse, it would basically be a separate agreement with the promoter where they get paid x amount?
Sounds like they could get away with even more in these situations.
Without the fighters there is no show. There is no Main Events. They have a shelf life of 5 years while Main Events is perpetual.
If she can't compensate her fighters than she needs to release them and let them go to Haymon where they can earn a decent living.
I do agree that the fighters should be paid and paid well, at least relative to their drawing power. 100%. If 100m is being made off a fight, the fighter should see a good amount even if 10m would be a huge payday for the guy.
But it can't be that easy for promoters either with actually building the company and losing tons of money on all the fighters who never make it.
I always wonder how people make money in this business period outside of the upper echelon.
OnePunch why don't you tell us how much promoter's make from a boxer's purse? More thn 20 "morons" have said the same thing, including boxing promoters and managers.
He did. Basically the Ali act prohibits a fighter from taking a percentage of purse unless they lose a purse bid.
So if I have Fighter A and I promote him, to put him on another promoter's card, the promoter works out two deals through me; my "services" and the fighter's purse.
As you can imagine it sounds like a lot of fighters can get badly ripped off unless they are entitled to know what the promoter has received for "services."
You're thinking too small. If PBC is successful, Hearn might be CEO of PBC UK or something crazy like that. Boxing is a worldwide sport. You can't just "take over" in just the US. There are billions of dollars at stake all over the globe. Haymon can't run boxing on every continent while peeking from behind his curtains. He's gonna need partners who are smart & can get **** done. Hearn seems like a smart & get **** done type mfer.
Haymon is assembling an impressive team. People are acting like DiBella is some dummy promoter. DiBella used to run f#cking HBO. Tom Brown (TGB Promotions) was Goosen's matchmaker for 30yrs. There's actually small rumblings that Ken Hershman might be taking a gig with PBC despite him being behind Haymon fighters banishment from HBO. Idk how true that is, but Haymon seems like a forgive & forget kinda cat & Hershman flipped from Showtime to HBO already so he's pretty f#cking good at shifting his alliances.
I'm thinking small or are you? Matchroom is more than just boxing, and their deal with Sky includes more sports than just boxing. In fact, it's doubtful that boxing is actually Matchroom's main sport anymore with their darts taking off worldwide.
Eddie Hearn becoming PBC CEO for UK? He's the biggest promoter in the UK and will just give it up to work for someone else?
Do you think Eddie's father would be OK with that? People don't work hard to build something up just to hand it off to someone else. At this point PBC would need to pay in the tens/hundreds of millions to buy Matchroom Boxing outright for anything resembling your wild fantasies to happen.
Of course Haymon would love to have Hearn bring all his fighters and TV dates to PBC so that he can take over the UK, but why would they make it so easy for him? "Here's everything we've worked hard to build, it's all yours, but can I please be the CEO and have a decent salary?"
Do you really think that the PBC has NOT been trying to get TV dates in the UK already? They have been and they've been going nowhere because they don't have much to offer (if anything at all), outside of a few fighters who are obligated to Matchroom and Sky Sports anyway (so they can't take them to BT Sport or ITV).
I ran small shows (800-1,000 seat venues) for 12 years, You do it for a number of reasons:
1. You enjoy doing it and have the money to spare
The only time I made money was when I co-promoted some shows with Gary Shaw, Square Ring, and Golden Boy.
12 years of losing money and you do it because you got money to spare? Can we be friends? :lol1:
Seriously though I heard that even some of the bigger promoters don't make too much money either (we're not talking TR or GBP big).
Correct, because most times the fighter never knows the amount the promoter is getting, only the amount on the actual bout contract.
And Ali Act enforcement of provision of services agreements is non-existant.....
Ouch... Thanks for the insight on this. Hope it's not as bad out there as I think it could get with some of these promoters and the provision of services.
its only a matter of time before pbc launches a subscription stream service as well like wwe ufc etc
Very much possible, but there is absolutely not enough demand for them to go through with this at this point.
PBC is doing a terrible job in terms of promotion of their fighters and events. For all the genius Al Haymon has, he does not have an ounce of promoter in him, and neither does his team (who mostly don't know what's going on anyway, I believe that he's just as secretive with his staff as he is with the media).
Ethically, yes
Legally its a gray area, because the other promoter is the "promoter of record" for the event, and he would be disclosing tv revenue in his own disclosures, which technically satisfies the requirement. I really dont know how a court would rule on this.
The bigger problem is that the Feds have never shown the slightest bit of interest in enforcing the Ali Act. It only comes up when a fighter is trying to break a contract........
Had a feeling that it wouldn't apply to the situation we discussed (promoter signing his fighter to another promoter's card).
LOL @ everyone thinking that Matchroom/Hearn will just give it all up to the PBC, like "oh yeah no problem take all my fighters and my TV dates!" Same goes for BoxNation/Warrens who have built something special from the ground up.
If you haven't realized everyone has their hands out for the time being because you might as well receive some of the millions they're dishing out while they're still around.
So you don't think it'll be safe to buy the PPV online?
If that's the case I suggest everyone disregard this thread.
Would also like to hear more about this. I see BLH will have this PPV as well.
It's really early (8 AM EST) but I think main fights roll around 10 by looking at the card. Really early and I'll be at work but might buy to support and watch later in HD.
Unless I can just watch at work. Then I will.
That sounds janky as f#ck. Since when is TBV getting rights to show fights lol. Or is this as I suspect & just some illegal stream like any idiot can find & their just trying to knock down $10 per dumbass. Anyone know the story?
It's on Boxrec too I seen some ads there
I was rewatching Yory Boy vs Trinidad, man, they don't make em like they used to.
Tomato cans aside, I agree. While Yory Boy is an extreme example I'd rather see guys stay busy against "bums" instead of just not fighting
don't let this one go under the radar. This card is really stacked.
Cesar Rene Cuenca vs Eduard Troyanovsky
Rakhim Chakhkiev vs Ola Afolabi
Alexander Povetkin vs Mariusz Wach
Denis Lebedev vs Lateef Kayode
Dmitry Kudryashov vs Olanrewaju Durodola
Dmitry Bivol vs Jackson Junior
All six fights look quality.
Really surprised Bivol is fighting Jackson Junior in only his 5th pro fight. Jackson Junior is a good, honest very tough journeyman. He is a bit Darnell Boone esque. Good at seeking out pretenders and on his day can be a real handful for even top prospects.
Durodola doesn't look bad either. Olympian with power & whose only loss in recent times is too Mchunu. He isn't your typical Nigerian bit crude but he looks a decent enough contender in his own right.
Starts around 4.30pm U.K time. Finally a card I can get excited for.
Thought it was earlier?