How viable is the PBC model?

It's a model in which its top fighters don't want anything to do with each other. It's like you fight your own fights and I'll fight mine. It's like they're in different worlds. Garcia is fighting Molina next. Forget about Thurman, Broner, Berto, Alexander, etc. Lara is probably fighting Harrison next. Forget about the Charlos, Williams, Andrade, etc. It's a f*ckd up model. There should never be anything like it ever again in the sport. ... Danny Garcia versus Keith Thurman, for the WBC and WBA 147lb title, is being eyed for early Spring 2017. Charlo-Williams is also set for the end of the year. patience

In general, sports are a pretty poor investment with negligible ROI Obviously, there are exceptions but nothing I have seen from PBC suggests that this will be one of them and I reckon that the only ones to stand to benefit are Haymon himself and a couple of random fighters that were grossly overpaid for a bout or 2 From a fan's perspective, PBC has given us some good fights but there are some worrying signs e.g. Haymon didnt even bid on Wilder-Povetkin (and look where that has gotten us!), Jacobs is refusing to enforce his mandatory, stable fighters arent being matched with the best opponents whilst others are incredibly inactive. Jury is still out but signs arent good Live sports is the only thing that is largely driving advertiser budgets consistently; you look at the deals to lock up NBA, Premier League, UFC, NCAAF, college sports, etc and the correlation is clear. If Haymon, over the 2-3 years of his effort, can prove that the audience is there (particularly the 18-54 demo coveted by advertisers), the broadcasters will come looking to make a deal. The UFC got a 7-year, $700m deal to take their fights to Fox/FS1 (while still keeping their biggest events/stars to themselves on PPV); if the audience is there, what's barring Haymon from expecting $150m per year in a deal (any broadcaster likely only ends up losing 2-5 fight cards to PPV)?

It's a model in which its top fighters don't want anything to do with each other. It's like you fight your own fights and I'll fight mine. It's like they're in different worlds. Garcia is fighting Molina next. Forget about Thurman, Broner, Berto, Alexander, etc. Lara is probably fighting Harrison next. Forget about the Charlos, Williams, Andrade, etc. It's a f*ckd up model. There should never be anything like it ever again in the sport. Lara is fighting Yuri Foreman next. Some say he's fighting Cintron. Makes me puke.

Why would a network pay big money for the PBC? Their infrastructure is a joke and they have a bunch of overpaid fighters who don't fight often and balk about any tough match-ups. If a network wants to get into boxing, stay independent and just buy good fights.... Because signing with a company with the scale of PBC helps provide far more regular content than simply shopping for fights, on a show by show basis. Haymon works with over 250 fighters; if Broadcaster X wanted to commit their channel to a "Thursday Night Throwdown" boxing season of 30 shows, a card every Thursday, before going on hiatus for the year, Haymon can not only deliver that deal, his roster is deep enough with fighters to mix/match things (in the inevitable event that injuries end up happening). 12 primetime fight broadcasts (featuring known/name fighters), and a regular boxing program that can be run for most of the year (featuring prospects/veterans looking to re-establish/etc). Terrestrial TV doesn't really work one-off events; even with the coming World Series, after a 162-game season and playoff baseball, the viewer knows that they'll see at least 4 games. Hosting a show in January, and then in February, and then not coming back until May (a potential in a card by card situation) is the quickest way to kill the effort before things even get started. PBC brings consistency.

It's a model in which its top fighters don't want anything to do with each other. It's like you fight your own fights and I'll fight mine. It's like they're in different worlds. Garcia is fighting Molina next. Forget about Thurman, Broner, Berto, Alexander, etc. Lara is probably fighting Harrison next. Forget about the Charlos, Williams, Andrade, etc. It's a f*ckd up model. There should never be anything like it ever again in the sport.

Im laughing at all the fighters who jumped ship to Haymon and now can't get a fight to save their lives and most likely will be free agents pretty freaking soon. :lol1: There are plenty of fights available. It's just that they can't accept anything less than $1 mil per fight.

Im laughing at all the fighters who jumped ship to Haymon and now can't get a fight to save their lives and most likely will be free agents pretty freaking soon. :lol1: PBC dissolving is irrelevant. Everyone except Beterbiev signed a 9 year deal with Haymon.

Im laughing at all the fighters who jumped ship to Haymon and now can't get a fight to save their lives and most likely will be free agents pretty freaking soon. :lol1:

Still think this is viable? http://www.espn.com/blog/dan-rafael/post/_/id/16761/what-has-happened-to-premier-boxing-champions What in that article changes or impacts this statement: And PBC/PBC 'Light' already has more 'name value' fighters they could possibly match on that network than ESPN's current 'lowball-purses-for-has-beens-and-fringe contenders-and-pray-for-an-entertaining-bumfight' model that has done absolutely nothing to grow interest in or the profile of this sport we love. How exactly does it reverse the fact that the pre-PBC business model for boxing was doing nothing to drive interest nor grow the sport?

Most of the top fighters on Haymons payroll have fought once this year, maybe 2 have had significant fights and most of them aren't even penciled in for the rest of the year. I said this last year, if you can't provide the best possible match ups, people will not tune in, when that happens, tv channels lose interest and don't back the model anymore.

Still think this is viable? http://www.espn.com/blog/dan-rafael/post/_/id/16761/what-has-happened-to-premier-boxing-champions However, one outlet that has had the most significant PBC fights is NBC, which said Wednesday that it will not televise any other cards this year, either on the main network or its NBCSN cable network. Several dates for the remainder of the year have been canceled, including two December prime-time NBC cards and at least three NBCSN cards. Not a good sign.

Not a bad model, but it's unsustainable like many people expected. If it can continue with some money-saving changes, what's there to complain about? Let's give them one more year and see if we'll finally see the fights fans want to see. Right now most of the comeback fights of their fighters are long overdue. Nobody knows what's taking them so long to announce them.

And PBC/PBC 'Light' already has more 'name value' fighters they could possibly match on that network than ESPN's current 'lowball-purses-for-has-beens-and-fringe contenders-and-pray-for-an-entertaining-bumfight' model that has done absolutely nothing to grow interest in or the profile of this sport we love. Interesting that you insist on constantly mentioning the drawing power of Mares and LSC popularity as limited to just California, even though both have headlined multiple cards on Showtime prior to this and have been world champions. Not really sure how that helps your point at all. But hey, if think it's a good idea to now have to PAY to see a rematch to a fight that was originally 'fought in a dingy theatre in front of a crowd of 1,000' between two fringe talents, then do you. Still think this is viable? http://www.espn.com/blog/dan-rafael/post/_/id/16761/what-has-happened-to-premier-boxing-champions

The name value of Mares-Santa Cruz made it significant. Seriously, neither guy can draw outside of Southern California. As a fight fan, I want to watch a good fight. That can always be accomplished through good matchmaking. Example: Are Soto Karass and Kamagai ever getting into Canastota? No. But fans know they can expect a barnburner when they fight. Their first fight was in a dingy theatre in front of a crowd of 1,000. Their rematch is now the co-feature to the Canelo-Smith PPV. I'll pay for that rather than sit through garbage like Guerrero-Peralta or Angulo-Hernandez any day of the week And PBC/PBC 'Light' already has more 'name value' fighters they could possibly match on that network than ESPN's current 'lowball-purses-for-has-beens-and-fringe contenders-and-pray-for-an-entertaining-bumfight' model that has done absolutely nothing to grow interest in or the profile of this sport we love. Interesting that you insist on constantly mentioning the drawing power of Mares and LSC popularity as limited to just California, even though both have headlined multiple cards on Showtime prior to this and have been world champions. Not really sure how that helps your point at all. But hey, if think it's a good idea to now have to PAY to see a rematch to a fight that was originally 'fought in a dingy theatre in front of a crowd of 1,000' between two fringe talents, then do you.

And in your world, that fight represents something that 'is comparable to Santa Cruz/Mares as far as significance of the fight and talent level of the fighters involved'? Yeah, aight then. The name value of Mares-Santa Cruz made it significant. Seriously, neither guy can draw outside of Southern California. As a fight fan, I want to watch a good fight. That can always be accomplished through good matchmaking. Example: Are Soto Karass and Kamagai ever getting into Canastota? No. But fans know they can expect a barnburner when they fight. Their first fight was in a dingy theatre in front of a crowd of 1,000. Their rematch is now the co-feature to the Canelo-Smith PPV. I'll pay for that rather than sit through garbage like Guerrero-Peralta or Angulo-Hernandez any day of the week

I think it will be fine. There has been no PBC related PPV this year. Something they're trying to get rid of.

Escalante vs. Roman from 2012. Better fight at a fraction of the cost. https://youtu.be/MKSyqbA_tUA And in your world, that fight represents something that 'is comparable to Santa Cruz/Mares as far as significance of the fight and talent level of the fighters involved'? Yeah, aight then.

Escalante vs. Roman from 2012. Better fight at a fraction of the cost. https://youtu.be/MKSyqbA_tUA

Not sure how it's not self-explanatory. What do you mean PBC lite will provide big money fights to ESPN. Like it's actually going to make ESPN money by getting companies to buy ad space or what? Surely you don't mean a big purse for that fight because w/Haymon, Malignaggi vs Salka could be a big money fight because he'll just throw money at it since he's donw that w/ a majority of his fights

Looks like the Guerrero fight had 507k viewers with a 0.15 in the 18-49 demo. For comparison in the same slot, UFC Fight Night had 1.9 million with a 0.8 in the 18-49 demo. http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-8-27-2016.html So go watch UFC