Comments Thread For: Al Haymon, PBC Target TV Invasion in The UK

WOW put this on itv and u are on to a winner. haymon on a roll

... sigh I'm thinking small or are you? Matchroom is more than just boxing, and their deal with Sky includes more sports than just boxing. In fact, it's doubtful that boxing is actually Matchroom's main sport anymore with their darts taking off worldwide. Eddie Hearn becoming PBC CEO for UK? He's the biggest promoter in the UK and will just give it up to work for someone else? Do you think Eddie's father would be OK with that? People don't work hard to build something up just to hand it off to someone else. At this point PBC would need to pay in the tens/hundreds of millions to buy Matchroom Boxing outright for anything resembling your wild fantasies to happen. Of course Haymon would love to have Hearn bring all his fighters and TV dates to PBC so that he can take over the UK, but why would they make it so easy for him? "Here's everything we've worked hard to build, it's all yours, but can I please be the CEO and have a decent salary?" Do you really think that the PBC has NOT been trying to get TV dates in the UK already? They have been and they've been going nowhere because they don't have much to offer (if anything at all), outside of a few fighters who are obligated to Matchroom and Sky Sports anyway (so they can't take them to BT Sport or ITV). Not sure what your interests are beyond this forum, but think of the PBC effort as being akin to what the National Wrestling Alliance did for professional wrestling; info is on Google if still unclear. Rather than dealing with the entirely fractured nature of boxing, the PBC effort, from the looks of things, puts Haymon's fighters, and the fighters with DBE/TGB/Warriors/GYM/SampsonBoxing/MayweatherPromotions/MatchroomSport (and the outfits affiliated with those people, ie Sauerlands, et al) all into one common talent pool, with the mentioned promoters using said talent pool to promote PBC fight cards, but also their own fight cards as well. CEO of PBC UK is the wrong way to look at it; the UK would simply be, in the Haymon talent pool, Matchroom Sports "promotional territory" (no idea of the validity that should be given for the initial article, but neither of the UK names mentioned seemed to have a real in to a possible TV partnership). Matchroom Sport versus the best collection of boxing talent in the world (whether the fights happen in the UK/Germany or the US, Matchroom Sport would have the right of first refusal for the UK rights of any PBC-affiliated fights). Since when has Haymon ever shown himself to be the guy to simply buy someone's company (Oscar De La Hoya situation aside; though, in hindsight, if that move had gone through, the entire PBC project would've likely been put in jeopardy)?

I'm not anywhere with the Herschman thing fwiw. I'm just repeating what I've seen some people hint at & suggest. Seemed interesting & an entertaining possible development if nothing else to me. I mean if Herschman can do what he did at HBO on a ~$30M budget imagine what Herchman could do with the supposed last of Haymon's $214M or w/e lol. Thats 7 HBO years worth of money. I don't think its happening nor do I suspect its impossible that it could happen is basically my only stance, but I found it a fun lil idea to speculate on is why I brought it up. I do think PBC needs a on the ground general for this thing. Schaefer, last I heard, hasn't jumped in, at this point I'm thinking maybe he's not gonna. Espinoza I assumed was just with Showtime. Haymon is too hidden. Sam Watson seems too busy with fighters. Someone needs to be the public figurehead of this thing. Someone needs to be crossing the t's & dotting the i's with some of the silly mistakes that are getting made & better aiming this huge roster to fights that make more sense for a variety of reasons. I guess it's I just don't see Hershman being all that engaging of a front man, tbh. Beyond that, I think that the silly mistakes are already being fixed in house (placement of the shows have been making far more sense, the fighters have been given just enough leeway in the presentation to inject their own personalities yet preserve PBC branding, and the matchups have continued to be competitive, among other things). PBC does need a "Dana White"-type figure though; I just assumed that they were waiting to the tail end of the project, when the consolidated deal interest would be picking up, to make that move

proof of concept is blowing money on a Charlo mismatch? You do realize how bad ratings will be for this right? Yeah, I'm sure network execs are just going to go crazy to give a long term deal to Haymon after this one. Lmao... It's Halloween,,, why would you put on a good matchup.. Do you want them to put a major fight on Halloween??? Put on a show, showcasing a futre star.. Plus you never answered my question. If Pbc and haymon are so stupid,,, please tell me the better route of getting on network TV.. You claim to be so much smarter then haymon and Waddell n Reed,,,, tell me how you would get on network TV??.?

I'm thinking small or are you? Matchroom is more than just boxing, and their deal with Sky includes more sports than just boxing. In fact, it's doubtful that boxing is actually Matchroom's main sport anymore with their darts taking off worldwide. Eddie Hearn becoming PBC CEO for UK? He's the biggest promoter in the UK and will just give it up to work for someone else? Do you think Eddie's father would be OK with that? People don't work hard to build something up just to hand it off to someone else. At this point PBC would need to pay in the tens/hundreds of millions to buy Matchroom Boxing outright for anything resembling your wild fantasies to happen. Of course Haymon would love to have Hearn bring all his fighters and TV dates to PBC so that he can take over the UK, but why would they make it so easy for him? "Here's everything we've worked hard to build, it's all yours, but can I please be the CEO and have a decent salary?" Do you really think that the PBC has NOT been trying to get TV dates in the UK already? They have been and they've been going nowhere because they don't have much to offer (if anything at all), outside of a few fighters who are obligated to Matchroom and Sky Sports anyway (so they can't take them to BT Sport or ITV). I think these guys are taking all the wrong lessons from US B/C grade promoters who could barely get TV time becoming Haymon's rent-a-promoters, getting a decent cut for no promotional risk.

My assumption would be if the upside is worth it sure why not. Again if PBC is successful at what they are attempting they'd be an elite league of boxing like hasn't been seen in boxing during its history. They'd be billions of dollars involved. The UFC is worth $2B. How much a UFC of boxing would be worth is highly speculative, but I'd assume more than $2B. The people involved with that would be handsomely paid for this global entity. I'd suggest it'd be worth more to be a little fish in PBC's worldwide pond than be a big fish in the UK pond. A ton of assumptions here off of my assumption Haymon would wanna bring Hearn into the PBC fold at a higher level or that Hearn would accept such a situation, but I think its a big enough entity in theory, if successful, that it'd be a enhancement to Hearn & not a fleecing of Hearn to be involved at a higher level & likely still be able to run his current outfit or perhaps just hire someone to replace him & he'd just increase his revenue streams. Again all this is HIGHLY speculative & is something that'd be years down the road if it came to be I'd suggest. I've never met Eddie Hearn's f#cking dad. I can't even speculate on this. I don't think it'd go down like that in the first place. I think its presumptuous to think Haymon does business that way or what Hearn is or isn't willing to do. He seems to like & work well with Haymon thus far so I suppose Haymon might just not have told him of his ultimate plan to buttrape him based on your assumptions of how this would all work out. I'm sure PBC is throwing out lines in a lot of different directions. Haymon has worked with 15 different promoters (including Hearn) during PBC's 7 month run in the US. I don't see how he couldn't or wouldn't grow a network of promoters who are interested in some TV time for their fighters affiliated with him in the UK or in other countries in the future. "in theory, if successful". The guy gave you a cold dose of reality and you come back with more fairy tales.

My assumption would be if the upside is worth it sure why not. Again if PBC is successful at what they are attempting they'd be an elite league of boxing like hasn't been seen in boxing during its history. They'd be billions of dollars involved. The UFC is worth $2B. How much a UFC of boxing would be worth is highly speculative, but I'd assume more than $2B. The people involved with that would be handsomely paid for this global entity. I'd suggest it'd be worth more to be a little fish in PBC's worldwide pond than be a big fish in the UK pond. A ton of assumptions here off of my assumption Haymon would wanna bring Hearn into the PBC fold at a higher level or that Hearn would accept such a situation, but I think its a big enough entity in theory, if successful, that it'd be a enhancement to Hearn & not a fleecing of Hearn to be involved at a higher level & likely still be able to run his current outfit or perhaps just hire someone to replace him & he'd just increase his revenue streams. Again all this is HIGHLY speculative & is something that'd be years down the road if it came to be I'd suggest. While it's been fun it just seems like your writing a fiction novel now, and you admit yourself that everything your saying arejust assumptions that would be years down the road. I'm talking about this article and Al Haymon targeting a UK invasion right now. With the way the situation is now, I can't see Matchroom and PBC "merging" and Eddie Hearn becoming some PBC CEO UK Division.

It will be interesting to see more on this down the line. BT was mentioned, but that's not free-to-air. But if the likes of Frampton and Selby were put on channels like ITV or Channel 5, then i'd imagine they would draw good numbers. I'm not really sure who decides for the likes of Selby and DeGale now, Haymon or Hearn. If it's still Hearn with the most pull, then i can't see him putting any of his fighters on free-to-air channels.

I think if Haymon brought his big name fighters over here to fight it could do really f*cking well!

Lets see..World Series, ND/Temple, Stanford/Washington st. (Yes), little known Charlo, little known channel (NBCSN), and the fact that it is HALLOWEEN NIGHT, yeah im sure youre right and they thought this would be huge so threw everything they had behind it. So your agreeing with me or what? I don't even know....

proof of concept is blowing money on a Charlo mismatch? You do realize how bad ratings will be for this right? Yeah, I'm sure network execs are just going to go crazy to give a long term deal to Haymon after this one. Lets see..World Series, ND/Temple, Stanford/Washington st. (Yes), little known Charlo, little known channel (NBCSN), and the fact that it is HALLOWEEN NIGHT, yeah im sure youre right and they thought this would be huge so threw everything they had behind it.

You're thinking too small. If PBC is successful, Hearn might be CEO of PBC UK or something crazy like that. Boxing is a worldwide sport. You can't just "take over" in just the US. There are billions of dollars at stake all over the globe. Haymon can't run boxing on every continent while peeking from behind his curtains. He's gonna need partners who are smart & can get **** done. Hearn seems like a smart & get **** done type mfer. Haymon is assembling an impressive team. People are acting like DiBella is some dummy promoter. DiBella used to run f#cking HBO. Tom Brown (TGB Promotions) was Goosen's matchmaker for 30yrs. There's actually small rumblings that Ken Hershman might be taking a gig with PBC despite him being behind Haymon fighters banishment from HBO. Idk how true that is, but Haymon seems like a forgive & forget kinda cat & Hershman flipped from Showtime to HBO already so he's pretty f#cking good at shifting his alliances. I'm thinking small or are you? Matchroom is more than just boxing, and their deal with Sky includes more sports than just boxing. In fact, it's doubtful that boxing is actually Matchroom's main sport anymore with their darts taking off worldwide. Eddie Hearn becoming PBC CEO for UK? He's the biggest promoter in the UK and will just give it up to work for someone else? Do you think Eddie's father would be OK with that? People don't work hard to build something up just to hand it off to someone else. At this point PBC would need to pay in the tens/hundreds of millions to buy Matchroom Boxing outright for anything resembling your wild fantasies to happen. Of course Haymon would love to have Hearn bring all his fighters and TV dates to PBC so that he can take over the UK, but why would they make it so easy for him? "Here's everything we've worked hard to build, it's all yours, but can I please be the CEO and have a decent salary?" Do you really think that the PBC has NOT been trying to get TV dates in the UK already? They have been and they've been going nowhere because they don't have much to offer (if anything at all), outside of a few fighters who are obligated to Matchroom and Sky Sports anyway (so they can't take them to BT Sport or ITV).

proof of concept... network/cable tv won't touch major boxing... Haymon has to prove to them that people will tune in and be a better draw than the crap they usually have on those timeslots... To prove your concept, the only way is to buy time If haymon is doing it wrong,, what do you propose would be a better avenue to get back on NBC, CBS, Fox?????? proof of concept is blowing money on a Charlo mismatch? You do realize how bad ratings will be for this right? Yeah, I'm sure network execs are just going to go crazy to give a long term deal to Haymon after this one.

Not true, I just said something positive about there FS1 cards. But most of it is ****. PBC is going to burn millions of dollars today to headline Charlo vs a nobody. There's nothing positive to say about that. proof of concept... network/cable tv won't touch major boxing... Haymon has to prove to them that people will tune in and be a better draw than the crap they usually have on those timeslots... To prove your concept, the only way is to buy time If haymon is doing it wrong,, what do you propose would be a better avenue to get back on NBC, CBS, Fox??????

I know what its about.... I like have open minded discussions.. PBC has its positives and negatives... But you constantly belittle PBC, with no objectivity, in every PBC thread.. your a better poster than that.. Not true, I just said something positive about there FS1 cards. But most of it is ****. PBC is going to burn millions of dollars today to headline Charlo vs a nobody. There's nothing positive to say about that.

This is a thread about the business of PBC, if you don't like it go somewhere else. I know what its about.... I like have open minded discussions.. PBC has its positives and negatives... But you constantly belittle PBC, with no objectivity, in every PBC thread.. your a better poster than that..

More televised dreck - just what British boxing needs!

Dude,,,, no offense but you are the biggest anti-haymon/pbc Why do you care so much.. Is he burning your money? did you invest? If not, then just relax and watch some free fights This is a thread about the business of PBC, if you don't like it go somewhere else.

None of those are long term, and all of them but Carona were Pre existing network deals. Try again... Go look at UFC cage during fight night. That's what locked in long term sponsors looks like. That's what tv networks want to see. Dude,,,, no offense but you are the biggest anti-haymon/pbc Why do you care so much.. Is he burning your money? did you invest? If not, then just relax and watch some free fights

... Corona, 1800 Tequila, Applebees, and at least 3-4 other companies are already doing big business with PBC. try again. None of those are long term, and all of them but Carona were Pre existing network deals. Try again... Go look at UFC cage during fight night. That's what locked in long term sponsors looks like. That's what tv networks want to see.