"Thats the best un intentional 'butt I've ever seen. If it end this nightmare, this abortion, Hallelujah!" - Larry Merchant after J.M. Marquez vs Derek Gainer
"First of all, he got a whoopin' when we was 13 he ain't gotten over yet. 2nd of all I just love to fight. So when people come at me talkin' 'bout will you fight me? will you fight me? Hell yeah I'll fight you it don't matter any day any time any where I don't care.He kept on beggin' an' beggin' an' beggin' so now he gettin' it. And he better be ready next Sat. 'cause here I come. I'm commin to get mine back. And I don't even care nothin' about them titles. I'm commin' to get mine just 'cause I'm Roy an' I still rule this understand. I run this 'round here not no body else." - Roy Jones Jr. on Antonio Tarver before 1st. fight.
"I'm not the best. I'm just a guy willing to fight the best" - Glenn Johnson
"Listen to me. He lookin' fo' one, you see that. Yo this muthaf****a slow as hell 'knowhaisayin'?. Look break off here WHAP, WHAP, WHAP, a lil', a lil', a lil' half-step BAMM come wit da hook den ayo!" - Yoel Judah in between rds. Baldomir vs Judah
Joe Frazier-he's not as bad as some of the others mentioned. But you can tell boxing along with age have taken their toll on him.
Ken Norton- he's always a funny voice. but the last time I heard him speak he slurred a little.
Evander Holyfield- I notice his slurring a few years ago. i almost cried. I just pray for the man now.
Tommy Hearns-When he was on Ringside w/ Leonard that revealed alot about the toll the sport has taken on him.
Aaron Pryor-I think his was more drugs than boxing.
I'd like to see how fighters like Phillip Ndou, or Merqui Sosa( in the fights I've seen he took some helacious shots), or even Julio Caesar Chavez( haven't heard him speak) are doing now.
He was severly injured I have heard and they problems then arose. Isn't it strange that guys like LaMotta speak pretty clearly.
Yeah it is. Real strange. I read an old article on Nigel Benn the other day(Ring March 06) I didn't hear him(obviously)but he looks like he's in healthy condition. And then you look at somebody like James Toney whos a great defensive fighter but sounds worse? I guess every fighter has his limits huh?
Ken Norton's throat was injured in a car wreck I have heard.
Really? I always wondered why he sounded the way he did. I mean, i knew he wasn't born with that voice and i knew it wasn't from fighting. But I thought it was a... whats the right word... a "condition" or something he was diagnosed with.
Prime Foreman=Todays Unified Champ(he'd have the most trouble out of Klitschko, but I don't think his chin would last 12 rounds against Foreman).
Comback Foreman=I wouldn't pick him to win against any of the four, but if any one of them stands in front of Foreman, end of the night.
PBF at any weight higher than 147 is a huge risk for Mayweather. Espeacially when he has nothing to prove. PBF is on the verge of greatness and he knows it. If he can beat De la Hoya that'll be a nice cap on his career.
That is if he really retires.
Personally I've never seen anything special about Tarver besides a hard left punch. To me it looked he got old in the 3rd Jones fight.If Had his head straight and got off he could've stopped Tarver( I hade my fingers crossed in round 5). I wait to see how he looks in Feb. before I say if he's done or not.
Losses very early in a fighter's career are important from the aspect of how well the fighter rebounds from those setbacks.
Losses late in a fighter's career have little to no impact at all on his legacy IMO.
However, victories late in a fighter's caereer over significan opposistion do add to his legacy....kind of like how senority can help you at a job, I guess. A win later in a fighter's career, after he's lost some speed, timing, reflexes, etc only enhances how great a fighter he is, because he's overcoming the huge obsticle of Father Time and high mileage.
Examples would be Larry Holmes win over Ray Mercer and Hopkins win over Tarver....and Duran's win over Barkley.
You mention Larry Holmes, and Bernard Hopkins they had to believe they could win those fights right? I mean, if a fighter is shot, he has to know it right? Like Holyfield, everyone thinks he should hang it up. But he continues on. Is he hoping to win another title? Or does he really think he has some left in the tank?
I wouldn't pay to see this fight. I'm still upset about buying the Mayweather-Baldomir fight. B-Hop really doesn't need to fight Roy again. Although a win would avenge the one he lost to Jones before, does it really matter? I don't think it would B-Hop will still have his place in history with or witout this fight.
As for Roy. He needs a win to uplift fans and critics perception of him. Personally, I think his accomplihsments speak for themselves and he still has a place in history too.Even if he did lose 3 of his last 5 fights. Like I said I wouldn't pay to see this, but I would be interested in who wins.
I have to add Mayweather - Vs - Baldomir
I was hoping Baldy would put on a better performance and, at least, make the fight interesting, even if everyone knew he would lose. Like the Cotto -vs-Malignaggi fight. At Least Malignaggi put out a hell of an effort to earn some respect.
That fight pisses me off still, not cause of how Mayweather won, but because I paid to see it.$49.95. Last time I paid for a ppv, Wright vs Trinidad. We all know how that turned out. Hell, I could've waited till Sat. morning and got the results from espn.
Not much at all.
Look at the greatest of them all.
Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Roberto Duran, etc...
Yeah. I guess i mean take somebody like... Shane Mosley. If he could become
undisputed champ again, would he rise on yours or somone elses' All Time...
list. Or would fans and critics still down him for losses to Forrest and Wright?
'Cause a lot of people jumped off the wagon after the Forrest fights(not me personally).
I thought he would lose to Forrest, I was big on Forrest as a stylistic danger for Mosley. I completely thought that Wright would wipe him out, and he did. Mosley has always been a fighter of great athletic ability, but little technique really. No jabs, head movement, things like that. He's a guy who works too hard to get his objective complete, cuz he was never tought the easy way to get it accomplished.
Those losses couldn't be redeemed? Not even with another championship?
I wanted to bring this up 'cause I recognize the guys Ali, Duran, Robinson, etc. But it just wild how say.... Roy Jones losses will be beside him probably forever, but Oscar De la Hoya losses seem like they don't count. Maybe it's just me.
LOL it's funny how when Mayweather vs. Wright was being discussed in 2005, nobody doubted Floyd could beat him but when it's Taylor, everybody gives Floyd no shot at all. I do agree that Taylor is much more difficult for Mayweather than Wright but beating Taylor is not inconceivable. Mayweather > Duran and look at all he accomplished.
I think I remember that one.I picked PBF to beat Winky, I'd pick him to beat Taylor if that fight happened. I just wouldn't advise him to gight Taylor. When the Wright thread started PBF had just beaten who? Was it Gatti? Anyway, there wasn't talk of retirement or anything like that, he eas on top of his game and still is. But if he's serious about leaving, leave after the De la Hoya fight. If he wins who could deny him as a boxing legend?
I could. :cool2:
The word "legend" is tossed around far too thoughtlessly these days.
Thats cool. True 38 fights wouldn't be much( if he beats De la Hoya and retires). compared to a lot of other fighters. But his resume would still rival anyones of the past 10, 11, yrs.
Floyd Mayweather, boring? He's no more boring than a Ruiz or Byrd. If I'm not mistaken, the point of a boxing match is to win.Who cares if its 1st round KO, or a 12 round decsion winning is winning.
#1 Has to be Butler - Grant. He could've killed that man.
The Bowe - Golata riot( Bowe was involved in alot of extra bullsh*t in his fights)
Gainer vs Marquez(J.M.) I know he was off a while before the fight, but damn he didn't even want to fight.
Who has the best reflexes in boxing? In this generation, Floyd Mayweather is atop of the list. Or Roy Jones Jr. in his prime. Before
these two, I'd have to say "Sugar Ray Robinson. These guys were all untouchabale. Mayweather still is for the time being.
I didn't order this pay per view, came on here to see pics or clips. I didn't know he KO'd Hatton going backwards. Thats Sugar Ray Robinson stuff. No doubt "the check hook" will be in many highlite reels to come.
Beethavean Scottland
Excert taken from The Village Voice article " Year of the Replay" 2005....
Four months later, on ESPN2, it happened again. We watched as Beethavean Scottland and George Khalid Jones fought on a card on the USS Intrepid, docked off Manhattan. Scottland, a last-minute replacement for David Telesco, who was injured in training, was in real-life Rocky territory. Going into the 10th round, he was down on points, but by ending the fight on his feet, he'd score a moral victory—the announcers said as much—and a shot at another payday. With 37 seconds left in the final round, Jones nailed Scottland with a right to the head. He staggered. But Scottland steadied himself and stayed on his feet. Jones followed with a left, and Scottland crumpled to the canvas.
It's a scene we've watched a thousand times before. And it's usually most memorable for the guy still standing, his arms raised in victory—picture Ali looming over a prone and humbled Sonny Liston. But this time, and in all the replays, Beethavean Scottland wouldn't get up. The 26-year-old father of three died six days later of a cerebral hemorrhage. In a country too squeamish to televise an execution, this was a remarkable moment. And in the wake of September 11, a largely forgotten one. How can seeing one man die once compare to seeing 3000 die 3000 times?