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from what i saw tonite against mares and king kong, darchinyan looked tired from the middle rounds on...so vic lost because he had no gas left...against mares tonite reminded me of the fight he had against king kong...vic jus ran out of gas in both fights i dont see how vic can beat donaire if they have a 2.nd fight

I think you need to go do your homework then we can continue, my man. If a PED can help you stay in the gym twice as long, you've got twice the preparation. You couple that with it providing more endurance, strength, speed, etc...and you have guys like Brady Anderson going from hitting 15 homers a year to 50. Presto. Ask Marion Jones if they don't help. Ole girl went from threatening FloJo to moving as fast as Margarito :lol1. Ask Ben Johnson too. did you know that alot of boxers today are able to box for a full 10 to 12 rounds? heck, back in the days, boxers did it for 15 rounds for championship fights. the steroids you are talking about are about building big muscle mass and strenght...none of which is evident in pac...the beating that pac put on is via accumalation of punches...if pac did have HOME RUN punch, dont you think everyone outside of the featherweights division wouldve drop like hatton the idiot? pac has no mad power, its all about boxing smarter, which he does really real...as well as fight plan, which he execute just as well...none of which STEROIDS or PED helps

Alexander/Khan/Maidana/Ortiz can all move their asses up to 147lbs too. The division has more name recognition and it just makes since. They all have big frames and can carry the extra 7lbs easily. its not necessarily "7 lbs"...it could just be an extra pound or 2...if alexander makes 140 consistantly on fight nite for a jr welterweight fight, he only needs to put on 1 lb, not necessarily 7 lbs to fight as a welterweight...who said you have to make the max weight limit to fight in that division, or any division? not all boxers make the max limit during official weigh-ins...most boxers make weight, but not necesarilly the max weight...STAY AWAY FROM THE MAX WEIGHT LIMIT and just focus on the weight range without going over the max weight limit.

Right how quick did people forget that. If its a done deal Pac wouldve signed already. He aint signing because he will sign to fight somebody else. i believe both parties have to agree before signing...one side can agree and the other dont, so then they will revise the contract...so thats why noone signs anything till after both fighters have agreed...but what the news is saying is that pac has basically agreed to the terms and waiting for floyd jr to agree to terms before both parties signs anything... besides, theres no way pac can sign anything quicker than floyd jr...pac is in the filipines and im pretty sure is very busy with his congress situation...whereas floyd jr is just around the corner, haha... so if both arum and gbp productions have come to terms, it is more likely that pac has agreed and is just waiting to sign the contract, just as floyd jr is also waiting...but dont expect pac to sign anything before floyd because pac is a very busy congressman that is basically half way around the world.

The moment Floyd beat Shane, the drums started to beat for a Pac showdown. When the prospect of that fight hitting a few snags over the terms began to gain steam, names like Martinez and Paul Williams became the concensus choice as viable opponents for Floyd to prove his mettle. Now on the other hand, the Fighter of the Decade and pound for pound king at welterweight get to walk around openly touting Cotto and Margarito as backup opponents. Why the double standard? If Floyd chose to fight a guy that Pac destroyed or that Shane destroyed as his next opponent, the avatars with Floyd's face photoshopped on a bucket of chicken would be in full effect. While arguing against Floyd and accepting lesser expectations from Manny, do Pac fans subconsciously admit that Floyd is on another (higher) level than Manny? those names (martinez/williams) were thrown in during an interview, not necessarily plans that team mayweather were looking to make in the future themselves, besides, mayweather didnt seem to show any interest in any of those matchups when asked about future fights with those guys... besides, mayweather looked bigger to me than when he fought marquez, and i guess thats why names like martinez and williams were thrown in the mix as possible future fights for mayweather. how did mayweather get that big?

also remember, pac destroyed his last several opponants (even common opponants) much worse than floydie boy did.

ALEXANDER THE OVERATED needs more fighting experience...he got hit flush by kotelnik way too many times...at times i was worried for alexander getting KOed...thats how i felt all nite. JM MARQUEZ would beat alexander and bradley if jm marquez moved up to 140...anything above 140 and jm marquez isnt the same. right now, after seeing ALEXANDER THE OVERATED fight tonite, KHAN is the top 140...bradley is just as overated as alexander. if theres anyone close to being the best 140, its KHAN

ALEXANDER THE OVERATED!!! kotelnik hit and hurt alexander more than alexander did to kotelnik. alexander looked like he was fighting in survival mode all nite while kotelnik walked alexander down all nite. and for the people who said that pac should fight alexander...WTF? kotelnik did enough damage to alexander that a fight against pac would be a suicide for alexander...OVERATED ALEXANDER looked good against urango who had no style and fought wide got exposed by a fighter that knows how to box and apply pressure...KHAN would beat the overated alexander...and dont even think about an alexander/pac fight, hahaha!!!

theres been alot of big fights since the mosley/mayweather fight. and if mayweather jr wanted to cleanup the sports of boxing like he said is what he is doing, then how come he hasnt been crusading OSDT during those fights and havent heard anything about his crusade to clean it up for this next big upcoming fights (alexander/kotelnik, loud/johnson) tomorow nite? if mayweather jr want to be the crusader for OSDT to clean up boxing, then why is he on the down low and not doing anything? why is he on vacation and not crusading for OSDT for all these big fights that just happened and all these upcoming fights?

The fight was for the top spot at WW. A lot of people, including me, didn't think PBF would ever fight Shane. He did, he almost got KO'd early, and he rallied to shut him out almost. It was a big win for PBF. according to the RING MAGAZINE rankings prior to the mosley/mayweather fight, pac held the top spot at welterweight...its only for the belt that mosley won from margarito that shouldve been amended as a non title fight since margarito was suspended

thats what ive been saying...other than his win over margarito, mosley havent really impressed or done anything in his last several fights that makes him the undisputed welterweight king, and the fact that he had an almost 2 yr layoff at his age...since margarito was banned from boxing, the fight against margarito shouldve been changed as a non title fight with the belt stripped from margarito. as for the other fight post mayweather retirement, you have to question mayweathers win over an overweight marquez due to his needing to move up 2 weight classes to fight mayweather. and to move up 2 weight classes at marquez's age was another disadvantage. so with all this said, mayweathers two wins post retirement is highly exagerated...i'll take pacs 2 win over two younger top 5 welterweigjht cotto and clottey over mayweaters 2 win over close to 40 yr old marquez and mosley...and the fact the cotto beat mosley, the same cotto that got knocked down twice and then TKOd by pac...and add the fact that pac beat common opponant hatton much quicker than mayweather did (im not including delahoya because he had to come down in weight, and im not including marquez cuz he had to go up 2 weight classes) and to those who said pac beat a never the same cotto after margarito beat him up...heres one for you...mosley was never the same after he got drilled twice by vernon forrest and twice by winky wright...thats why after those 4 fights and mosleys age and close to 2 yr layoff, mosley was never the same as well...

and the funny thing is...that mayweather sr is still promoting "who, you mean the dirty pacquiao"? i mean, come on...sr been to jail for doing/dealing drugs...and just recently, roger mayweather looks like he will be going to jail for a while for beating a woman...and just recently as well, floyd jr was involved in connection with a shooting incident...so instead of bringing up pac being dirty without proof, he needs to focus on the problems of his own mayweather clan...problems that are valid, not just made up without proof

While this is all true it doesn't contradict any of the points I made. Everybody called for Mayweather to fight a "legit welterweight" and most crowned Mosley as the legit welterweight before the fight. In fact a ridiculous amount of people on this very board were convinced that Floyd would duck Mosley, and many cited him as a better opponent than Pacquiao. Mayweather not only fought him but almost shut him out completely - while fighting toe to toe! As for the Ring ratings, I thought Mosley was #1 but i guess not. Still though, Mosley was the man who beat the man (etc.) and had the best claim to welterweight lineage. Out of interest was Pacquiao promoted to #1 after the Cotto fight or the Clottey fight? pacquiao was rated #1 by THE RING after he whooped cotto (and considering that cotto beat mosley makes pacs beating of cotto that much more impressive)...pac maintained #1 after whooping clottey...the only way there is a undisputed welterweight lineal champ by THE RING standard is if #1 vs #2 or in some cases #3... so with that said, mosley was #2 and mayweather #3 does not make this fight for undisputed welterweight...it only flip flopped their rankings with mosleys welterweight ranking falling behind cotto im not gonna say who will win if both pac and mayweather should fight...im just gonna say it should be a great fight...unlike most people here will say one fighter would beat the other easily...which is ridiculous

I dont even get why people made a huge deal out of this fight. The media acting like this is the biggest thing in boxing in years. Were talking about the self proclaimed best fighter in the world (most of the media agree with Floyd on that) fighting a 38 year old fighter who was beaten by Cotto years ago, looked lousy in his fight with Mayorga until he got the KO, then stopped Margaito which was a good win but Margarito isnt exactly hard to find. Then has over a year layoff with no fights. Its much better than the Marquez win but please. thats what ive been saying...other than his win over margarito, mosley havent really impressed or done anything in his last several fights that makes him the undisputed welterweight king, and the fact that he had an almost 2 yr layoff at his age...since margarito was banned from boxing, the fight against margarito shouldve been changed as a non title fight with the belt stripped from margarito. as for the other fight post mayweather retirement, you have to question mayweathers win over an overweight marquez due to his needing to move up 2 weight classes to fight mayweather. and to move up 2 weight classes at marquez's age was another disadvantage. so with all this said, mayweathers two wins post retirement is highly exagerated...i'll take pacs 2 win over two younger top 5 welterweigjht cotto and clottey over mayweaters 2 win over close to 40 yr old marquez and mosley...and the fact the cotto beat mosley, the same cotto that got knocked down twice and then TKOd by pac...and add the fact that pac beat common opponant hatton much quicker than mayweather did (im not including delahoya because he had to come down in weight, and im not including marquez cuz he had to go up 2 weight classes) and to those who said pac beat a never the same cotto after margarito beat him up...heres one for you...mosley was never the same after he got drilled twice by vernon forrest and twice by winky wright...thats why after those 4 fights and mosleys age and close to 2 yr layoff, mosley was never the same as well...

and how does mosley maintain a high ranking in the P4P and welterweight when he lost to cotto and needed a KO in the final round to cement a garanteed win over mayorga? then a win over a boxer who won the belt from cotto and with suspect wins due to plaster loaded gloves...all those elements to me does not make for such high rankings and praise for mosley

It's funny to see the win being shitted on. What else could he do? Shane is the top guy at welterweight. He would beat probably Berto, Clottey, already destroyed Margarito, and would in my eyes be able to beat Cotto in a rematch. He also beat Collazo. So that's pretty much all of the top welters in the division that Shane could very well beat and if not be in a highly competitive bout. There was no doubt that he's a top 2 welterweight. People said they wanted to see him against a bigger stronger opponent. He was in there with Shane and completely outclassed Shane. He made him look like a C level fighter and took his heart out of the fight. Yes Shane is old and yes Cotto beat him but that fight was pretty close. This fight was not it was a dominant win. BTW, im not discreditng mayweathers win, im just saying its being over exagerated...like the best thing since sliced bread

pacs two wins over cotto and clottey is much more impressive considering pac moved up in weight to fight two naturally bigger guys that are younger and are top 5 welterweight...and mayweather fought a guy that is almost 40 himself and had to move up 2 weight classes to fight him...and the other being almost 40yrs old...and other than beating margarito, havent done anything impressive in years...why people dont get that is beyond me

it was a good win, but not great,... I mean damn, shane was beat by cotto and stuggled against mayorga, beat an overrated margarito.. truth is, Mayweather beat a dangerous near 40 year old fighter, who aint fought in a year only chance mosely had was to catch him and when ur near 40 against maybe the best defensive fighter ever, those odds are VERY slim why people dont see this is beyond me...but still a good win for mayweather, but too highly exagerated of a win for him i wouldve given mayweather for fighting and beating berto more credit...but thats just me.

- Mosley was the big, powerful welterweight that everyone's been screaming for Mayweather to fight since forever - Mosley was #1 welterweight and on the back of a demolition job on the formerly "most feared man on the planet" - Mosley was ranked by most as the 3rd best boxer in the world - Mosley is a shoo-in for the IBHoF well, according to THE RING rankings as of lastweek, #1 Pac, #2 Mosley, #3 mayweather...there is no RING champ according the THE RING MAGAZINE and both cotto and clottey where the more naturally bigger guy than pac...more so than mosley was to mayweather and mosley is close to 40 yrs with a year and a half layoff at his age is more of a disadvantage....mayweathers had a layoff too, but at his age, its not so much of a disadvantage at a younger age im not putting mayweather down, just not taking the overhyped wins over aging and overweighted marquez and an old mosley

not sure why some are talking this Floyd win up, he nearly got ktfo'd ffs, it's only because Mosley was so gassy that he didn't tear into him in the next two rounds thats what i noticed too...mosley was already tired in the early rounds and by the end of the 5th or 6th round, i heard mosley asking for a cold towel in his corner, "get me a cold towel, get me a cold towel"...MAYBE ALL THE BLOOD DRAWN got to him physically...im not making any excuses, but that could be the case why he looked so tired and weak so quickly...aahhh, and the fact he is almost 40 ;o)

It's funny to see the win being shitted on. What else could he do? Shane is the top guy at welterweight. He would beat probably Berto, Clottey, already destroyed Margarito, and would in my eyes be able to beat Cotto in a rematch. He also beat Collazo. So that's pretty much all of the top welters in the division that Shane could very well beat and if not be in a highly competitive bout. There was no doubt that he's a top 2 welterweight. People said they wanted to see him against a bigger stronger opponent. He was in there with Shane and completely outclassed Shane. He made him look like a C level fighter and took his heart out of the fight. Yes Shane is old and yes Cotto beat him but that fight was pretty close. This fight was not it was a dominant win. thats true, but considering cotto beat mosley and the fact that pac whooped cotto BIG TIME after cotto beat mosley...and the fact the pac destroyed hatton while mayweather needed almost 12 rounds to finish off hatton...makes me wonder why floyd fans think pac would be an easy fight is beyond me. mayweather may have made mosley like a c fighter, but pac has made cotto and clottey look like c fighters as well...PAC put a big whooping on cotto and clottey more than did mayweather to mosley and marquez, and both being close to 40 yrs old to boot

For example, Andre Berto said he is too green for Manny Pacquiao, and he would like to fight Mosley, Cotto, then maybe he would be ready for Manny then. Would you consider that ducking? If not what is your definition of ducking a fighter? thats not ducking, it just shows you that he knows he's not ready for pac

i can only compare how all three (mares, agbeko, and donaire) did against common opponant darchinyan...and would conclude that donaire would easily outbox/outclass both mares and agbeko...we can talk about "but styles makes fights, etc..." but donaire, to me, is just one level above both mares n agbeko...TJMFO

Seriously, how many fights outside of Mosley-Floyd have random blood testing? Every other fight besides Mosley-Floyd must be tainted. brandon rios must be on some kind of illegal drugs because it seems like he has no brains and he talks goofy.

yah sure, manny on PEDs... but yet many still recognize him as fighter of the decade, BIO channel recently made a documentary of him, 60 minutes recently had a segment of him, made cover of an in-flight magazine, continue to establish more sponsors, continues to start/open new businesses, have an album/cd out soon, have a new movie deal with sylvester stallone in the future, and congressman to boot... other than HUMBLENESS AND TIME MANGAMENT, what more can you say? vs... the only people recognizing the mayweater clan are the police, the lawyers, and the judges...btw, do i smell RESTRAINING ORDER??? HAHAHA!!!

cheato was drained. pac looked bigger than cheato in the weighin and in the fight...explain that you fukking pactards dude was drained you need glasses because everyone (commentaters, analyst, etc...) said how big the size difference was for margarito...you must be a flomosexual and i guess to you, at 165, thats being weight drained for a jr middleweight...GTFO

this is nothing new pac has been the bigger man since 130-135 he would weigh on fight night on adverage of 144-148. it wast till he went to 140 that he was seen as the smaller man. then they ran with the he is small and start draining the **** out of oppenents and even at 130-135 he had the you cant rehydrate to a certain weight clause. pac actually weighed no more than 145 on fight nite for any of his 130 and 135 fights.

thats what ive been saying about pacs division increase from featherweight to welterweight...everyone (flomosexuals) only see the division jump, which is like 17lbs. from featherweight to welterweight...when in reality, pacs fight nite weight has only increased by less than 10 pounds...nothing freakish about a 10 pound gain in 2+ years and to those who keep saying theres no way he can maintain his power...what power? only power came against hatton, and that was a ONE PUNCH KO that had all of his leverage in that punch. other than the hatton fight, the delahoya/cotto/clottey all came with accumalation of punches that stopped the delahoya and cotto fight...now, if pac had the MAD POWER that fLOMOSEXUALS are talking about, i think delahoya/cotto/clottey wouldve been KO'd, dont you think?

i wonder why HBO didn't weigh the fighters on pac/cotto and pac/clottey. because i bet cotto came in as a jr middleweight and clottey came in as a middleweight/supermiddleweight

i understand what you are sayin but you don't become the best boxer just for beating oscar,floyd mayweather was considered the best boxer p4p before he fought oscar but manny's greatness has mainly come from the fact that he is beating bigger men,no one considered manny to be the greates when he was fighting morales barrera and marquez,can u understand that.after his 2nd fight with marquez no one was screamin man is so great so if no one thought he was that great at this point in his career why is he all of a sudden considered the best fighter in the world to some?because he has been beating what is looked at as bigger men thats why hold on, hold on... manny was considered great for all of those action packed fight with the mexican trio...to go against the best fighters at that time and go 5-1-1 is crazy...