I don't think it will be a joyride for him, like this fight was. Both are very tricky opponents. Moreno hasn't lost since 2002 and is especially tricky. If he beats them, he can safely move up and take on super bantam and featherweights.
i can only compare how all three (mares, agbeko, and donaire) did against common opponant darchinyan...and would conclude that donaire would easily outbox/outclass both mares and agbeko...we can talk about "but styles makes fights, etc..." but donaire, to me, is just one level above both mares n agbeko...TJMFO
Moreno is my favourite fighter at Bantam, but I think Donaire beats him by descion. But that could change in time.
As for Agbeko, I think thats a great fight. That I believe Donaire would win.
I might favor Donaire, but I think Moreno has a damn good chance in beating Donaire...
Moreno is the truth man. Dude is the real deal he can hang with Donaire.
That is the best available match up that can be made right now.
I like Mares but I think Donaire eats him up.
Agbeko that fight might be fireworks though.
But, Moreno has the best chance. Bantamweight is just so deep. Is just crazy.
Agbeko would provide the more entertaining fight but Moreno would have the much better chance to win. He's brilliantly contained. Knows he isn't scoring the KO most of the time so concentrates on winning rounds and can do so about 3-4 different ways.
Offense v. defense...Donaire-Moreno is THE fight at Bantam.
I don't think anyone at bantam can hang rounds with nonito staying outside on him. Agbeko fights any range and has underrated d.
I really wanna see Donaire Moreno now can see Morenos defense and adaptability getting to Donaire.Hope Morenos not going off the rails after reading some posts about him
Watching the fight last night, I thought that was BS on the part of Nonito. However, after watching the replay earlier today, I think you are correct. Nonito did not even try to slip, flinch or close his eyes when Montiel threw and connected with the right.
The super slow-motion caught everything. Nonito was expecting the punch and threw his hook, eyes wide open and full torque. Regardless of what RJJ, said Montiel saw the the left hook coming a fraction of a second before it landed.
Call me crazy, but if Montiel was countered throwing a left hook instead of a right. Nonito's check hook would have sent him straight to the hospital. Imagine Vic's KO x2.
That is a scary thought indeed.
Donaire will probably only stick around at 118 pounds to face the winner of Mares-Agbeko. I don't see him making the weight after that just to face Moreno, unfortunately.
Well, thanks for letting me now about Hilario Zapata, I like what I see :)
Checking out his HLs
Zapata is a solid decade overdue for the HOF. Arguably the greatest yet at 108 (and that's a Jr. class with substantial history over the last almost 40 years).
I don't think anyone is beating Donaire right now. Moreno would be the least shocking upset. :)
Well, thanks for letting me know about Hilario Zapata, I like what I see :)
Checking out his HLs
I also think Moreno-Donaire is the fight to make at 118 but I'm starting to get concerned about Moreno. He packed on more weight than usual after the second Cermeno fight and his latetest fight has been pushed back a few times.
I hope it's just me overreacting and not him having trouble with the weight or some other issue. It'd be a shame if the fight doesn't happen.
It's ironic that, just as he seems ready to really realize his talent, he faces Parra with weight issues.
Pernell Whitaker had his infighting/ physical strength to fall back on, I haven't seen that from Moreno. Plus I'd say Pernell's power was underrated. Again, I'd like to see Moreno pull it off but I doubt he can.
I don't think anyone is beating Donaire right now. Moreno would be the least shocking upset. :)
Pernell Whitaker and Hilario Zapata weren't great power guys either. They hit hard enough. Power is great but having some pop hasn't helped anyone against Donaire. Moreno is durable as hell. Travels all over the world, multiple styles, guys with and without pop, and the only loss he has is some split in the four round days? Moreno might be the biggest threat to Donaire below 135 lbs.
I think he's that good.
I also think Moreno-Donaire is the fight to make at 118 but I'm starting to get concerned about Moreno. He packed on more weight than usual after the second Cermeno fight and his latetest fight has been pushed back a few times.
I hope it's just me overreacting and not him having trouble with the weight or some other issue. It'd be a shame if the fight doesn't happen.
Pernell Whitaker and Hilario Zapata weren't great power guys either. They hit hard enough. Power is great but having some pop hasn't helped anyone against Donaire. Moreno is durable as hell. Travels all over the world, multiple styles, guys with and without pop, and the only loss he has is some split in the four round days? Moreno might be the biggest threat to Donaire below 135 lbs.
I think he's that good.
Pernell Whitaker had his infighting/ physical strength to fall back on, I haven't seen that from Moreno. Plus I'd say Pernell's power was underrated. Again, I'd like to see Moreno pull it off but I doubt he can.
I see that, but his lack of power...atleast Agbeko is durable. I like Moreno and in that instance I'd root for him, but I can't see it.
Pernell Whitaker and Hilario Zapata weren't great power guys either. They hit hard enough. Power is great but having some pop hasn't helped anyone against Donaire. Moreno is durable as hell. Travels all over the world, multiple styles, guys with and without pop, and the only loss he has is some split in the four round days? Moreno might be the biggest threat to Donaire below 135 lbs.
I think he's that good.
I honestly believe Donaire allowed Montiel to have some success so he could set him up for that finale. In fact, I thought it was kinda obvious but maybe I missed something. He was so eager - and in tune - on that counter hook that he damn near threw it too early.
Watching the fight last night, I thought that was BS on the part of Nonito. However, after watching the replay earlier today, I think you are correct. Nonito did not even try to slip, flinch or close his eyes when Montiel threw and connected with the right.
The super slow-motion caught everything. Nonito was expecting the punch and threw his hook, eyes wide open and full torque. Regardless of what RJJ, said Montiel saw the the left hook coming a fraction of a second before it landed.
Call me crazy, but if Montiel was countered throwing a left hook instead of a right. Nonito's check hook would have sent him straight to the hospital. Imagine Vic's KO x2.
After that KO that Donaire gave Vic he did not want a rematch then, why is he going to change his mind now?
Not saying he will, but if he beats Perez and Mares, he might. It would be a last hoorah. And to prove he lost because he got too reckless, like Montiel. That he CAN do better.:boxing:
Agbeko would provide the more entertaining fight but Moreno would have the much better chance to win. He's brilliantly contained. Knows he isn't scoring the KO most of the time so concentrates on winning rounds and can do so about 3-4 different ways.
Offense v. defense...Donaire-Moreno is THE fight at Bantam.
I see that, but his lack of power...atleast Agbeko is durable. I like Moreno and in that instance I'd root for him, but I can't see it.
He beats them both IMO, Agbeko would have a better chance but he'd need to fight the perfect fight.
Agbeko would provide the more entertaining fight but Moreno would have the much better chance to win. He's brilliantly contained. Knows he isn't scoring the KO most of the time so concentrates on winning rounds and can do so about 3-4 different ways.
Offense v. defense...Donaire-Moreno is THE fight at Bantam.
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