Thurman and porter dont hang in that league and i think they lose all.
Spence beats williams, margarito, and cotto but loses to mosley.
Crawford i need to see with hard hitting welterweights before i can tell.
VADA and USADA both use the same WADA accredited labs for testing and I believe there is only 2 in the USA so in reality its one of the 2 labs that catch cheaters and nothing to do with USADA or VADA they like different power companys selling the same power over the same lines , so its all the same as far as testing goes .
No it isnt. There is a reason usada catches nobody and costs a lot more. Usada doesnt catch ppl and when they do they get a tue.
based on what?
The guy wants big bucks for bums. After the supersix the guy thought he is entitled to fight bums the rest of his career. He fought Rodriguez, Paul the bum, Barrera, and now another bum. He even wanted a guy the NSAC wouldnt approve. I don't believe for one second he will get in the ring with Kovalev. Expect and injury from Ward at some point before the match.
You better go check Vada and USADA use the same 2 WADA accredited labs for all testing , your thread is mute and false .
USADA break their own rules, destoy samples, allow TUE after the fact and are just plain corrupt. Its a very simple question you have to ask yourself... why do fighters get caught by VADA but not by USADA?
Pavlik was a man. He went up TEN pounds to fight the best fighter at that time. Gg won't go up more than 4 pounds .
And he got schooled like the robotic boxer he was. Weight classes don't make a fighter, they just prove how much a fighterr can drain. Broner is a multiple division champion, but he was nothing compared to a guy like Hagler.
Ward said that if he went after Kov he would never return to 168. I personally think he can't make that weight. If GGG were to look impressive at 168 then the fight should take place at 171. I personally refuse to give Ward any credit for beating GGG if he clinches more than twice a round unless being hurt. If he does beat him without cheating I will give him full props for the victory.
All this is still a fantasy because I doubt Ward is ever the same after Kovalev takes his soul.
If gg agrees to testing at the appropriate length of time he should. He will get caught it's obvious he is on at least meldonium and something else
Its a pitty pavlik the alcoholic couldnt stay sober so ggg could make him a goodboy. Pavlik could take all the peds in the world and he still wouldnt learn how to box. The guy couldnt even double the jab.
you mean the eternal MW hagler whose big fights were against LW WW and JM's?
Hearns and Leonard more than held their own at middleweight. But sure if you want to pretend a guy like Broner is above him be my guess. I'm done arguing with you. You are either a troll or simpleminded and i don't waste my time with either of those.
Golovkin. It's true: Cotto ,Martinez, Chavez Jr, Froch, Ward, Jacobs, and Canelo have all in one point ducked him.
Rigo is another one. I still can't believe Santa Cruz has any fans after the shameless ducking he did.
Lara's talking the talk when he knows GGG is in talks with Canelo right now, and that is the priority. Lara is not a proven entity at 160, and if a plodder that can't even cut the ring called Angulo can beat the hell out of you, then so can GGG.
If the Canelo talks end, then Lara can be considered.
He's right. Lou Dibella said a couple of weeks ago that there isn't enough money for a GGG-Jacobs fight. If any fight needs marinating it's this one. GGG-Canelo is PPV ready. And with that deal Jacobs just made to become the face of Brooklyn Boxing they're on pace to marinate the fight.
I keep trying to tell ya'll nobody is afraid of GGG, they just want to be paid for the risk. Like Jacobs said, I'm not about to fight GGG for the same money I got fighting Quillin. And he's right.
There is no money in a GGG fight. That's why he has to travel to the UK to fight Eubank. Think about that for a minute. The IBF, WBA, WBC, undefeated MW champion of the world has to travel and is the B-side to a domestic level UK fighter. He doesn't have the money to get a domestic level fighter here over here. Canelo is bringin Smith here and Smith is the champ. GGG fans need to put the pressure on his team to come up with some money.
Man you gave more excuses than Jacobs did. Once PBC plummets and Jacobs can no longer be paid big bucks for bums I fully expect Jacobs to beg like the b!tch he is for what he sees now as a low offer.
People like to think of Kovalev as just a puncher but in the pascal rematch he gave pascal a schooling in the art of boxing and a beatdown. If Ward dares enter the ring with Kovalev in 2016 he will take a beating.
Ward loves them bums. When your last 4 opponents are Rodriguez, Paul the bum, Barrera, and Brand and you want to be considere P4P you're a joke.
Andre the Bumslayer!!!
Yup. And while Jacobs is about to headline another card in Brooklyn on network TV, GGG will be in the UK fighting a domestic level fighter on a Matchroom card at 5:00 pm in the US.
GGG fills the MSG. That means nothing. Jacobs vs Quillin had extremely low ratings and they were both overpaid. Not to worry because PBC will sink and then all those overpaid boxers will have to come back to earth. That includes Jacobs, who will beg for a chance at GGG.
Have you ever seen them fight? Ward is in a completely different league. This is not a schoolyard fight, this is boxing, and skills mean more than power. Ward is leagues above Kovalev in both skills and speed.
Pascal is a 175 version of shane mosely
fights in spurts, has impressive speed and power but isnt consistent with his punch out put, he doesnt establish a jab and instead of parrying the right hand, slipping it to his left or dipping under it, or roll it with his lead shoulder, he leans to the right...EVERYTIME.....Thats a bad habit especially against someone who specializes in throwing straight shots like Pascal
Ward is another level of fighter to Pascal...he knows all the nuances and has a good offense as well, He transitions from offense to defense seemlessly whereas with a fighter like Pascal its either one thing or the other
I guess we'll see fight night. Taking all bets if the fight takes place in 2016.
It always boggles my mind how people blame Golovkin for being ducked. The sad truth is that Eubank seems to be the best middleweight willing to fight him. If he could fight Jacobs or Alvarez or Saunders, he would, but none of them want to fight Golovkin.
Apparently he should be blamed for this, I guess.
Green k sent. It's ridiculous. GGG tries to make the best matches but can't. Blame the duckers, not GGG.
Does he get to be in his prime as well or is this one of those "stack the deck against him because that's the only way to beat him" kinda threads?
Floyd in his Prime at 147 vs Oscar de la Hoya in his prime at 147. Who do you pick?
Why is it that the fans that want boxers to be paid the most also want boxing to be free? Haymon's model isn't sustainable and has damaged the sport. Here i am having to listen to scum like Jacobs say he rather fight bums than step up and fight GGG. That doesn't help the sport. But hey if "bums for big bucks" is your motto and you don't like competitive match ups getting done then that's your prerogative.
Thurman is a solid counter puncher but can not fight on the inside and gets pushed back easily and and does not really have a great jab. He has solid power but does not have the great timing to make it as effective as it can be.
Porter can not fight going backwards at all and has no jab worth mentioning, He leaps in wide open and off balance. Porter is aggressive ,but once he gets in he either smothers his work of just wastes energy wrestling his opponent.
Both are solid fighters and if they fix certain things may have the chance to prove they are elite top fighters. Neither are as good as they think they are and both are very, very limited. But fighters like these have to fight each other to learn and improve
Thurman has amazing timing, specially those left hooks and straight rights that he landed when Porter got lazy on his defense. If it were anybody but Porter he would have gotten knocked out by the amazingly timed punches Keith was landiing. I do agree that he needs to work on getting pushed against the ropes.
Porter actually did pretty good for himself when Keith started to pressure. The jab is another thing. When Porter used the jab just to get in he would get countered but when he put more than one together and mixed his offense he did well. What I don't like about porter is that he smothers his work.
I believe he would lose to Oscar by UD and Mosley by KO(it's a pitty Mosley was the one that ducked that one). Pac is 50/50 because Pac has a very short reach.
Williams would get outboxed worse than the Quintana bout. Margarito beats him via tko in a fight Floyd would be winning on points. Then again Margarito probably had bricks.
In conclusion I'm sure Oscar wins a UD and Mosley KO's him. Pac is 50/50. Margarito shouldn't count because of his bricks.
Jacobs isn't afraid to lose...he's been there..dude wants a payday.
He lost to Pirog when he was 23
What was GGG doing at 23:lol1:
Fixed it for you. Jacobs knows what will happen if he gets in the ring with GGG. The dude just wants to cash out or fight bums like Mora for Haymon money. Disgusting. Hell i bet even you know what happens to Jacobs if he gets in the ring with GGG.
GGG has more bums on his resume than Jacobs....that's why ya'll think he's so good.
All smoke and mirrors.
Jacobs lost to Pirog when he was 23....
What was GGG doing at 23?
Selling Yak butter on the roadside:lol1:
Golovkin had a chance to fight Mora but chose the dreaded Adama instead..SMH
Jacobs thinks he can beat GGG and rightfully so.
Golovkin makes tons of mistakes against lesser fighters than Jacobs.
If you think GGG beating Jacobs is a foregone conclusion you are in for a shock.
So you think Jacobs beats GGG.I want you on the record saying Jacobs beats GGG. I want to be able to laugh later on.