Compubox doesn't factor in areas on the head and body such as behind the ear, either side of the chin (also known as "the button"), the liver shot etc. If I'm wrong, somebody tell me how the compubox works. When scoring accuracy of a boxer, extra points should be considered for those areas, rather than just "head shots" and "body shots".
BTW, Nigel Benn was pretty accurate.
Mentality. Mental strength is needed at the top level, and Broner was seriously lacking there. He has balls. Showed balls of steel vs Maidana. Took his beating like a champ and even won 4 rounds in the process. But look, watch his fight vs Garcia. Broner was never in any danger at all, but did not have the mentality or inner desire to go even 1% outside of his comfort zone, and lost a fight he was very easily capable of not only winning, but winning very easily. Cash in.
This is what many feel puts a fighter in the GOAT discussion. lol
]The win over Klitschko is top tier. Wlad was ruling with an iron fist for years and fury whipped him.
but apart from this what has he got? 3 wins over Deontay and that’s it.
Wilder is trash let’s be honest.
all of fury’s other wins are against B- and C level guys.
For the record I think only Lennox would be a favourite over fury H2H.
Fury was 27 when he won a decision over Klitschko who turned 40 17 days after the fight. It was hardly a "top tier" win.
Floyd Mayweather & Conor McGregor are both scared & ducking Jake 'King' Paul?
Afraid of getting embarassed & KO'd?
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I can't tell if you are being sarcastic. Are you serious?
He was an 11 year reigning unified champ, nobody else looked close to beating him, so yes it was a top tier win. Fury was a massive underdog in that fight and nobody was mentioning wlads age until it could become an excuse post fight. People were saying he was set to go on and beat George Foreman as the oldest champ aged 44, and they were confident in that.
Agree to disagree.
Don`t try to change the history now. Klitschko barely lost a round in 10 years fighting before Fury beat him.
Change history? Not at all. In my opinion, a decision win by a 27 year old fighter over a 40 year old isn't a top tier win. It's your opinion that it is. Agree to disagree.
Yeah it's sad. What happened to the days where you had to TAKE THE BELTS from the champion? Like, really truly bring it and earn them? Now it's more about, whoever is figured to be a higher value in star power, the scores are leaning to them right out the gate. It sucks because it's disrespectful to the champion. I'm sorry, I just didn't se Lopez do enough to take the belts from Loma despite Loma's inactivity early on.
I agree with this 100%. I scored the fight 115-113 Lopez. It used to be a fight that close always went to the champ.
It might have been close in terms of rounds. But the rounds themselves were very easy to score.
Lopez banked 6 clear rounds
Lomachenko banked 4 clear rounds
2 were somewhat close but edged by Teofimo.
The range of scorecards could have been 114-114 to 116-112 Lopez.
With all his experience , Loma should have known that he cant give away most of the first half of the fight. At least do something to make the rounds appear close.
Yeah, although he is defensively superior, I think he should've been more aggressive, at least in the first and last 30 seconds of the rounds he wasn't active. His game plan was obviously to take Lopez into the deep water, making him miss, which he did, but he was in better shape than he thought. Lopez edged Loma out winning the first 6 with effective aggression alone. On the other hand, if a judge was defensive minded, he could've scored the first 6 rounds 10-9 for Loma, as Lopez was the aggressor, yes, but he wasn't really landing anything cleanly. If he fights him again, he will approach it much differently, I would imagine.
He looked the way he should look against an opponent that knows him very well. Canelo's game is good head movement, shifting, setting up combos, and brutal power. GGG is just a tough match-up for Canelo. That said, of course he's going to decline in the coming years. He's been fighting a long time and he's 32.
u need to watch it a 4th time or 5th
so the first time, draw, second time loma win, 3rd time draw, next haney win
And if you would've read my whole post, you would've seen this: "So, with the benefit of hind sight, I would say in order to win a championship fight, you should beat the champ decisively. That didn't happen. So, harder punches, better body work, and the eye test (look at both guys after the fight).Haney won. We need a change vote function."
Spot reading post can cause you to miss the theme.
This was a close fight. I have a few observations on this thread"
- Most posters that go to the "fanboy" card with those they disagree, seem to be projecting.
- Nobody seems to believe that a challenger should have to beat the champ decisively anymore.
- Body punching is highly underrated, especially with those who haven't been on the business end of them.
At first I had it as a draw. Then I went round by round, slowed it down, and gave it to Loma by one round. Then I voted. I watched it a 3rd time, normal speed, and it still looked like a draw points wise, but Haney landed the harder punches and had better body work. So, with the benefit of hind sight, I would say in order to win a championship fight, you should beat the champ decisively. That didn't happen. So, harder punches, better body work, and the eye test (look at both guys after the fight).Haney won. We need a change vote function.
I have a feeling his superior boxing ability let’s him slip and defend against big shots and he takes it to the last rounds before a bomb bodybags him. I see it being a 10th round KO for wilder.
Round1) Wilder comes out of his corner laughing hysterically at the size difference. Canelo fakes an overhand right, lands a left hook body shot. Wilder is laughing so hard, his abs are flexed, and the punch has no effect. He laughs even harder at the body punch, to the point he is doubled over holding his sides, which brings his head down shoulder high to Canelo. Canelo throws a rear hand uppercut, and wins by KO in the 1st round.:p
I was with you up until you mentioned Andrade and Charlo more so Andrade that fool is garbage lol
Benevidez hasn't proven himself yet either. Yeah, he's 25-0, but the only fight of any stature was Gavril, who fought him to a UD and SD in 2 contests. That said, David Benevidez is my favorite boxer right now because he is so much fun to watch. I've watched the Angulo fight like 10 times. It was in an empty arena, and you could get a better sense of what it's like in there when you can hear it as well as see it.
Plant was thinking of Mayweathers blueprint, be first be fast and keep moving, he didn't want to engage Canelo in any sort of shootout Plant isn't Mayweather nor does he have Floyd's chin.
Plant is a better boxer overall. If he has a decent chin, he can box his way to a win.
I believe it was a case of Canelo respecting Gennady too much. Do you agree?
I see what you're saying that the young Canelo should've just run over the 40-year-old, and in theory one would think he could. I look at it this way; these two are very familiar with each other. They've had years of watching tape, training, sparring to fight each other, and met twice in fights that went the distance. What we see, and what Canelo was experiencing in the ring, feeling the blows, landing blows without consequence, he processed that information and felt a more aggressive strategy would be counterproductive. In his defense, and I'm a Canelo fan, GGG is very heavy handed. So, I guess the short answer is I don't believe he gave GGG too much respect. He gave him the respect he had accumulated in their previous 2 fights. Could he have gotten away with being more aggressive? Maybe.
It was fun watching 2 of the best in a battle of strategy and tactics. For the record, I had GGG winning the first fight clearly, Canelo the second one in a closer call, and this one a clear win for Canelo. The guts prize goes to 40-year-old GGG for going the distance with a 32-year-old champion possessing mad boxing skills and brutal power. Tip of the hat.
Being a dad myself I genuinely feel sorry for the guy. Im sure he actually believed his son was the best thing since slice bread so not only did his son lose his belts but all of senior's aspirations and future plans. Furthermore it didnt take a killer to expose him either. George is ok but he gets beat by a few at 135. My advice to him is just keep quiet and work. Teo can come again believe it or not he just needs to get rid of his dad as trainer
BINGO! You are absolutely right. He hyped that kid up so much there was no way he was going to live up to it. Also, the "knockout everybody" crap. Speed beats power 9 out of 10 times. I know, I know, you gotta be accurate and be able to box as well. Also, daddy said "“We dictated the fight from the beginning aggressively." A pro trainer should at least be familiar with scoring a professional fight. The benchmark is effective aggression. Kambosos was slipping, pulling, and countering the majority of Teo's punches. Lopez was over aggressive, and Kambosos set him up for that right hand in the first round beautifully. As for going up in weight, Kambosos is an inch and a half taller than Lopez. He can easily carry the weight, without loosing much speed. Another thing that factored into it was experience. And with experience comes maturity. Teo lost his composure a couple times. George was composed, business like, yet was aggressive when he needed to be.
I'd like to see a Kamosos / Lomachenco fight. Talk about a chess match! Hmmmm......
Its his fans saying size had nothing to do with it. He would not think about 168, if he wasn't being goaded. Just admit he's too big for Canelo and move on.
I don't think size is why Canelo lost. I think he underestimated Bivol's toughness. This is the first time Canelo came up against somebody that can hold up under some serious body punching. It was obvious his game plan was to beat up on his body and arms, take the starch out of his punches, and knock him out. That was a pretty brutal assault. Canelo repeatedly targeted Bivol's lead arm, especially the area just above his left elbow. He knew that Bivol's game is jab oriented, he throws more than most. When that didn't work, Canelo should've adjusted, but he believed he would eventually wear down. He wasn't changing up his speeds and power. He was throwing all his punches hard, and ran out of gas. Once again, the most important punch in boxing wins the day. Bivol's game plan, to keep Canelo away with the jab, and stay disciplined working behind his jab, worked beautifully. He's the champion. He doesn't go down in weight . Canelo wants the rematch. He's the one that should move back up. And he can still win, but not if he leaves his jab in his gym bag.
Then why wouldn't or couldn't Canelo Alvarez do the same? He said he was going to go for broke and stop Golovkin. Just watching two men staring at each other without throwing any punches is hardly my definition of a crowd pleasing, fan friendly, entertaining and action packed type of fight.
Whatever happened to the Mexican style type of boxing? The only reason why Canelo didn't go for broke and press more in the fight is because he didn't want to take any unnecessary risks for fear of getting hit. He didn't want to sacrifice or give any inch of his defense for his offense.
Perhaps to a casual fan it appears that way, but a match with 2 guys just trading punches can be just as boring to an educated fighter. Obviously, both can take a punch. When 2 champions familiar with each other face off, it becomes a top-level duel of all boxing skills, both offense and defense where one mistake could lead to disaster. In these fights, the true champions deliver blows without taking return fire.
C'mon man, you are being disingenuous, or blatantly asinine. So GGG is required to do more (score a KO) in order to get a fair fight? Whereas all Canelo has to do is survive the fight to get the win?
You are just reiterating those things that others have been said before. Its as if you entered a foot race, but gave one man a 40 yard head start, and mocked the other for making excuses when he could not make up the distance
Post of the month!