Wow K0 power really does something to people.
People saying hes the next Pac and telling him to move up as high as 130/135?
Hes a good fighter, but dont compare him to Pac. The cans hes fighting are not even close to who Pac fought..
Have you actually watched any Inoue? You think he's just a one dimensional heavy hitter??
The guy can do everything. Inside, outside, speed, feet, power. He's got everything. It's not just his KO % that earns him his praise, you realise. Skill/power/accuracy levels are up there with Loma, Crawford, Garcia. And he's ruled at 3 weights. What more do you want to be up there for P4P??
Prove to me he cheated.
His trainer admitted it. What more do you want. And before you say he admitted it but didn't actually end up having illegal wraps for the Mosley fight because someone spotted it, it's mighty convenient that he would of course deny having ever done it before. Why would he try to cheat for the Mosley fight but not previous fights?
A bit like Jarrell Miller gets caught doping, well, obviously he didn't just start doping for the AJ fight.
Every single fighter who has impressive looking wins regardless of level of his opposition has dumb casuals who make rediculous claims. Welcome to boxing,you must be new.
What, you mean Inoue's impressive looking wins that have genuinely been impressive. I would say it's fair to praise someone if they've been as impressive as him. Most champs have fought 'nobodies' until 20+ fights, and that's a criticism. Inoue in in the WBSS at 18 fights, and will most likely win. You think a boxer has to start like Loma in order to be considered a great?
Lol a win here does nothing for Joshua.the fact that he took this fight alone makes him look bad.the only way folks will take notice of this win is if Joshua can KO Ruiz with the very first punch.1 second round lol.
Joshua didn't have an option, he's contracted to fight that night. Just because Jarrell Miller ****** up his drug taking timings, and there being a lack of genuine depth in the division isn't AJ's fault. All he can do is blow Ruiz out. Or the riskier option would be to go toe to toe, get put down by Ruiz, then get up and make it a round/fight of the year contender, just to keep up his buzz in America. Anything else will just be underwhelming and pointless. Still isn't his fault though.
inoue could have had a great resume if he didnt skip flyweight when it was hot or super flyweight when it was starting to get hot. seriously. estrada, gonzalez, brian viloria, rungvisai. skipped all of them to fight 40 year old narvaez, and rodriguez.
3 weight world champion but mediocre resume.
He's had 18 fights and he's 26, over 3 divisions, what resume do you want him to have. Canelo didn't have any notable names until something like his 30th fight. You think everyone is going to do a Lomachenko?
Wilder is clearly not facing Joshua next. Wilder is clearly ducking, so whats the point? We all know who he is fighting next.
I honestly think they all think they can beat each other. I mean in this Fury/Joshua/Wilder love triangle. It's their promoters/networks that are ducking each other, not them.
The Pac vs Margarito fight was one of the worst "championship" fights I can remember. Not for the complete mismatch though. It was the idea that this fight should have a belt on the line, just to be able to call Pac an 8 division champ. A complete farce. Right up there with Floyd vs Conor.
Well, at least I think I can safely say, every single boxing fan enjoyed Margarito being absolutely battered. And then battered even harder by Cotto in the next fight. So it was worth it for that.
so you rate volume of punches as a criteria of KO power.
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the stupid is all you. I'm done wasting my time on you.
Canelo goes the distance with Jacobs.
Jacobs was one punch KO'd by Pirog.
By your logic, Pirog was a harder puncher than Canelo.
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you have to be a woman with your irrational arguments and moving goal posts.
we talking canelo/pirog here. i already ended u. BUT BUT BUT YIBIDDY
stfu
Haha you ended nothing but your own point, you're a joke.
Moving goal posts? Let's take it back to heavyweight shall we?
Vitali couldn't KO Chisora.
Chisora get's KO'd by a cruiserweight David Haye.
David Haye is a harder puncher than Vitali Klitschko then, yeah?
Keep that logic coming poindexter ;)
Why does anyone bother making these sort of statements, it's pointless. You have Shavers, Foreman, Wilder, all deemed the 'hardest punchers' in history at various times. So unless they all find a flux capacitor and measure something with something, what does it matter?
I'm just asking a simple question. Can you really consider him a 8 division champ when he didn't beat the top guy at 135, 147, and 154??
I'm consistent. I don't consider Floyd a 5 division champ because he didn't beat the top guy at 140.
Well yes, of course you can consider him an 8 weight champ, because technically, he has been a world champ in 8 divisions. He was never undisputed or lineal in all those divisions, but that's not really the same.
Yeah of course there will be some form of title, WBF, WBU, IBA. The WBA might even create a "regular interim Butterbean" world title for him, because why not.
Doesn't help that Jim Grey always has that sort of smug smirky look on his face, and occasionally does that thing that I hate where they replay the KO to the guy who got KO'd and ask him to analyse it E.g. "So here is the moment you were unconscious, what do you think happened there?". What are they expecting them to say. So stupid.
The trainer didnt admit to cheating. He admitted to using an illegal insert. The reason it was illegal, it was wet. Again, prove to me he CHEATED.
The illegal insert he was trying to wrap into Margarito's hands was confiscated and confirmed as a plaster of paris type substance. You know this is all confirmed don't you. This isn't even speculation.
I doubt every single boxing fan. Every single ***** ass fan though is probably right.
Ah, a wild Margarito fan emerges. Why would anyone not have enjoyed seeing cheating Margarito taking his beatings from Pacman and Cotto?
It had elements of POP. Hand creams have elements of POP as well. The insert though was deemed illegal because it was wet. That's it. It could have been 100% water and it's still illegal. Now, do you plan on telling me any time soon exactly which fights Tony cheated? So far we know he only may have attempted to cheat.
Yes, but you know full well the presumptions that are automatically made when anyone is found to be 'cheating' whether it be PEDs or whatever. Jarrell Miller never tested positive until this time round, but I'm sure most of his previous fights are now suspicious, even though (I think) there's no way of going back to prove it one way or anything.
My point is, if the trainer was so bold as to think he could get away with it vs Mosely, a big fight with a lot of coverage, it's not unreasonable to suspect he may have done it before and gotten away with it. Alternatively, this might have been the first and only time he tried it. Win at all costs. That's elite mentality. So I know what I would suspect. And yes, I concede, it is merely a suspicion. But not without any basis. (When I say 'he' I mean his trainer, from what I've read, there's a reasonable chance Margarito might never have known).
The problem with it being wet, was that it contained something that when it was soon to dry, it would become basically as hard as cement. Not just because it was wet. Why would a wet hand wrap on its own give any advantage :/
Can't really argue with what he said...nobody wants to keep seeing this type of crap and I'm glad he said so.
Yeah he said what everyone already thought, but have some respect for Breazeale come on, especially for someone who is a boxing veteran like Gray.
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Wobbled, tried to say it was behind the head (:lol1:), then bearhugged Dominic Breazeale.
Are you effing serious. Why is it a surprise that a heavyweight landing a punch hurts. Ok it hurt, but it didn't hurt enough, or for long enough. So what. 'Chins' are basically irrelevant at heavyweight.
you never answered, in what round do you pick duran to KO marciano?
don't hide.
What? When did you ask that? Also, what kind of an infinitely ******ed example is that. I don't recall Duran being a heavyweight. At least my examples have compared fighters in the same division. What a stupid bait of a question. Like asking what round do you pick Inoue to KO Tyson. You absolute jockstrap.
Yes, nobody wants to see his product loosing.
Especially as the only heavyweight champ who went unbeaten was Marciano (who fought in an era where no one ducked anyone), so it's an extremely exclusive club, so obviously they want to keep their assets undefeated as long as possible.
Not really because that's his homeboy, but Fury does hit hard yes. He's 6'9 250, 70% KO rate.
So how come he couldn't KO Wlad? Wlad who has always been hittable and KO-able. Any HW has the power to KO any other HW. That's the whole draw of the HW division.
They parade around Calzaghe like he is an ATG lmao. Andre Ward would've beat him easy.
They thought Hatton would beat Mayweather.
They thought Kell Brook would beat Spence.
Lennox Lewis was slept by Rahman first and he beat a shell of Mike Tyson.
They think Joshua will do Wilder in, lmao.
Are you for real? When has anyone suggested that Andre Ward wouldn't have beaten Calzaghe if they had crossed paths?
Calzaghe wasn't P4P all time great, sure, but his wins vs Lacy, Mitchell, Kessler, Hopkins, Eubank is a pretty good resume.
No one thought Hatton would beat Mayweather.
Casual boxing fans in the UK had no idea who Spence was when he came over, so of course they thought Brook could win.
As for Lennox Lewis... Are you just trolling now- he got sloppy for a second and got caught by Rahman, that makes him not an ATG?? Tell me one good heavyweight who hasn't been on the canvas and/or KO'd. The only one I can think of is Vitali. Lennox Lewis is one of the best heavyweights in the history of the sport. No one disputes this.
crazy to think ward would walk through joe, the man had a good chin at SMW (though it seemed weaker at LHW). The real problem would be getting joe in the ring with ward, joe pulled out of fights serially when Toad-Frank linked him with a good opponent. Did joe fear picking up losses? Reading on him now, its just one after another good opponent replaced by a can, for years, with the occasional exception.
On top of which, Ward would want the fight in oakland, and joe would never agree to that, cardiff was his oakland.
I agree, I think if their eras had crossed paths, ward would beat Calzaghe. Same for Froch. He would beat Calzaghe too. But as a reigning/unified champ who has defended a record number of times, he can dictate where he wants to fight, no? Who else was there at super middleweight for Calzaghe to fight at the time?
lmao. look at this idiot arguing with himself. you literally made up a point you asserted yourself then tried to discredit it.
this is how insane you are.
Made up what point? Discredit what? The only thing I'm discrediting is you, and it's not proving to be very difficult. I'm giving you endless examples of how wrong you are.
And what have you got? Canelo's KO% above 154? Wow, I've definitely been 'ended'.
Why not answer my questions? You're saying that Pirog is a harder puncher than Canelo and GGG, and Haye is a harder puncher than Vitali? :D
Keep trying ;)
ya you are a sheep casual. you take what people say over what you can see as critical evidence.
where are the one punch KO's against heavyweights?
that's why Wilder hit harder than Foreman. if 1 punch ends someone and another needs 10. then that 1 puncher has more punching power.
do you understand logic?
So 'hardest puncher' = 1 punch KO artist? Lol.
ANY boxer can pull off a 1 punch KO, given the right timing, circumstances, position of the opponent, whether it's on the button etc etc etc etc.
So when Muhammad Ali says Shavers hit him harder than anyone he had been in with, I guess that makes him a casual too, yeah?
How you are able to conclusively say that Wilder in general hits harder than Foreman, for example, is laughable. I am in no way doubting Wilder's power. All I'm saying is that he is in that class. Oh and Tyson too. Wilder hits harder than Tyson, by your measure.
Do you understand boxing?
Mikey is obviously going to say Lipinets hit harder, whether he did or not. Because he won, and it sounds much better to say that you beat a guy that hit harder than the guy you just lost to. He's never going to admit that not only did Spence walk all over him, he's also going to credit his power.