passing steroid tests now doesnt mean hes been clean in the past. refusing to do the tests says it all - the guys been cheating his way to the top. hes so lucky he wasnt confronted for this shit years ago, or he'd never be where he is today. he's a cheat, and passing tests now wont alter that fact
Manny vs Floyd would have been legendary....
.... but if Manny Pacquiao is found out to be a cheat... well thats goin down as one of the most iconic moments is boxing history
how the hell do you come to that conclusion? floyd wants to fight him, but he thinks hes been cheating. if he hasnt, no big deal to doin the tests. mannys refusal speaks volumes
im now fully convinced pacquiaos a drug taking cheat
nobody in the history of boxing has ever taken the "totally flawless" USADA tests . it means that robinson, ali, pep, armstrong, duran, chavez, and other fighters who never took this test is under suspicion. therefore, they should not be given credit whatsoever.
http://b2bcmo.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/floyd-mayweather-jr11.jpg
Those guys never refused the tests
wonder how long pacs been cheating for?
even if he passes a test now, his reluctance to take one strongly suggests he's been cheating in the past
what a weasel, what a fraud
A ton of Pac fans and even myself were convinced that the blood testing was ok, just not the day of the fight. We thought maybe 48hrs were ok, 3 days were ok, 5 days, or maybe even a week. Random was ok, just as long as it wasnt the day of the fight. Now the shit is pretty official that despite what some try to say in the media, there stance is 30 days out and non random. They want to test right after the New Year, then wait over a whole month and test again on Feb 13th, and then wait all the way until after the fight. Come on now. Lets say that Pac was juicing. Does he have any chance to fail the test with those dates I just mentioned? Hell NO! 3 test, only 2 before the fight, both over a month apart, and both times he knows exactly when the date is.
Alot of Pac people argued the whole time that if it was like that then it basically would be bad but its not like that. They argued that it was random and that they would allow it a few days or a week before. Now you see its not true. Even with that the Floyd side has given in and they are willing to change some things but they want it random and they dont want all these 30plus day windows. It defeats the whole purpose. Im sure you guys will defend it like it doesnt matter though. I was on Pac's side in some of this but its because I thought they would agree to random and maybe Floyd should accept like 3 days to a week out. Thats not the case though. Whats even more messed up is instead of negotating, it was Arum who immediatly said the fight was off and they are going to do something else. Floyd's team never said they are moving on.
Arum said that if another group does it besides the USADA then they will take it but Floyd's camp dont want that so they are moving on. Then Schaffer came back saying, thats cool and they will use a different source but they just want it to be random and closer than those 30 day splits. Arum is now like, **** it. Were not doing it anymore no matter what. That shit dont sound iffy to you? Again, one of the #1 responses from Pac fans and even some Floyd fans were like, how come Floyd's team wont accept it if they are doing it like a week before and immediatly after. It should be in his system. Now we find out that it was never there real stance. There stance is 30 days out and after the fight. Even the most die hard Pac fans know that he could juice and still easily pass a test in that situation.
That shit looks fishy to me now and there is no way you can put this on Floyd's side. Arum aint even willing to talk. You have alot of Pac fans saying thats good what Arum is doing and that Pac should stick with the lawsuit. What kind of coward talk is that? All of us want to see the fight. I myself took up for Pac when I thought it was random and within a week but 30 days and non random? Come on man. Then over 30 days from the 1st test to the 2nd test also. No one is even talking about that one but you can do alot in that time also. All the Pac fans whole stance was that Pac will do it, just not the day of the fight. Thats what they all say but its not true. They want 30 days.
That shit aint right. Then they want to drop it to fight Paulie or Foreman? There so in a rush to do that? I just hope they come to there senses and come back to this fight. The thing thats so crazy is that they knew ahead of time. Everyone knew what Senior wanted and the Pac side said it was ok. Now they are tripping like they didnt know. If Arum was this upset then why did he even take the contract to Pac and go this far with it from the jump? Something changed and now they dont want it
Excellent post
The sad thing is their is no one like Calzaghe in Boxing right now.
He had his own unique style that caused problems for everyone who faced him. Not even the defensive wizardry of Bernard Hopkins could come up with an answer for it. If he would was exposed to the American public sooner hed be even bigger than Hatton was.
Right on. I really miss him. Fantastic fighter, and so exciting too - always came to fight, even with his brittle hands, he was always the one relentlessly pushing the action
As for the thread, no. Calzaghe is staying retired, that's a certainty. And Froch's damn lucky that's the case
We could see something we aint seen for a looooooooooooooooong time - Mayweather drawn into a real war. Everyone sees this fight as the monster vs the artiste, the brutal slugger vs the clinician. What people never bring up is that - if he has to - Floyd can turn into a monster himself
yea he should,ive had enough of both of these two acting like bitches,i just wanna see the fight in march,fuk manny vs pauile and fuk pbf vs m.hatton or who ever else,i wanna see these two
me too playa. if Manny wants a 30 day elephant, then Floyd can take advantage of that too, meet PED with PED
Like Ellerbe said, he isn't gonna risk Mayweather's career. Ellerbe already said that the only way this is gonna go down is if Pacquiao goes through with these tests.
Elerbe's got a good point there. You look at the difference between pre PED Pacquiao (Morales 1) and Pacquiao after that and the difference is shocking. He's not just beating his opponents, he's decimating them
But again, if Floyd was to PED himself as well, we might just see THE most amazing fight of all time
Ahhhh Shugguh Shane Mosley. The most over rated boxer in the world
Still, he's still the best of the welters outside of Pac and May (more a reflection on the current state of the division - plenty of decent fighters, very few outstanding ones)
If Pac beats him, he's just beat on another old man
Floyd should fight him, and school him, to get people off his case
Mosely was at once upon a time a great, but then so was Oscar
Floyd Mayweather. not just the decade, but in boxing history so far. i mean running away from a former flyweight is just shameful in my opinion.
im pretty sure Floyd was around that weight too when he was a teenager
is Manny still a skinni teenager?
NAW
anyway, its Manny doin the running here - if he cant come in Roided he dont want none o Floyd
Agree totally. Team Pacquiao make me want to vomit. Not that long ago, Roach was trying to set up Morales for Khan. A team of snidey little bitches if ever there was one
Hopefully JMM tells Roach where to stick it and gets a huge payday with Hatton
lewis was smart to retire vitaly would have kod lennox in a rematch
agreed
you considered that a great win? Lewis was lucky ass hell that the bout was stopped because he was getting worked by vitali. Luckiest win off all time yes...greatest HW win of all time...hell no!!!!!!!
bullshit
manny and floyd spring to mind
manny ducked jmm as long as humanely possible, then refused an immediate rubber, saying instead their "business was finished"
cherry picking little pussy
he also ducked the entire lightweight division - minus the great undisputed kingpin juan diaz - robbing us of some potentially great fights, instead going after weight drained and shot fighters
floyd needs no comment
happy new year fellas :beerchug:
If Manny doesnt take the fight, in twenty years people are gonna look back and ask themselves why?
there's only gonna be one blatantly obvious answer, and it sure as hell aint "he was afraid of needles"
Margarito. It was horrible seeing Mosely put on that beatdown
Morales past his best getting beaten by guys he should have been beating wasnt nice either
FFS Roach Arum and Pacqaturd - what a hideous trio of money grabbin bitches
1/3rd of a million is good enough for Marquez, but Manny demands
10M?!?!?!?!?!?!!
I hope Floyd devastates this greedy little rat - forever
floyd is better than marquez in every aspect of the game.... wtf are u talking about?
what the hell was that meant to mean? did you even read the thread?
Wish there were more like Cotto - guys who always want to test themselves against the very best. I'd put Jermaine Taylor, JMM, Izzy and Rafa in that same tiny bracket
Whats more, Cottos only two losses may have came against cheats