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Why PBF is overrated by his fellow crackheads: 1) Who has he actually dominated at welterweight that was an authentic welterweight? Well there was Marquez..oh wait sorry he doesn't belong even above 135 lbs. There's Hatton too...oh wait he barely survived his first bought at welterweight. If he wants to scream at the top of his lungs he's the top dog, he has to do it against quality opposition. And yes he has to win against Sugar Shane and Paq before he does get credit because he last legitimate fight was in 2005. And seriously saying he fought Judah and Baldomir at welter when Shane was the same weight class as him and Margarito and Paul Williams too means for his legacy. 2) You prove your skill against quality opposition, end point. Any frickin welterweight would've looked godly when taking Marquez at welter. Difference is they would've actually KO'd Marquez in the ring. But for crack heads comparing Floyd & JMM vs Pac & JMM fights as a basis for the difference in skill is idiotic. Marquez was ****ing pinata for cripes sake at welter. He can at least move at his own weight class. Floyd didn't have to do anything much to win and its easy for any fighter to look amazing against crappy opposition. 3) As I said before the only undefeated fighter that actually means shit is Rocky Marciano only because he actually fought quality opposition and had the skills to remain undefeated. Chavez Jr. is undefeated. So is Saul Alvarez. We can through 30 fkn bums at either of them and if they beat them all means nothing. I give respect where respect is due and the fact of the matter is Floyd needs to stop cherry picking and fight actual welterweights if he continues to fight in that class. And if he can pass the obstacle of both Shane and Pac then he deserve the credit. But he also deserves all the shit he is getting now because he's had since 2005 to fkn cripes sake to actually prove to critics his worth and stop facing damn bums. All I can see is we'll see in May and if he gets a fight with Pac and wins then he deserves his props then and only then.

It's a letdown in terms of the Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight not happening but this will be a war anyways so just enjoy it folks. True, it will at least have some excitement value as Margarito will pretty much sacrifice it all for a last payday and well know this. I will however go out and point out a few things since the first post: 1) Cotto @ 147 wouldn't have changed anything at all, its just would've been nice to have the fight @ 147. 2) After the whole "talks and negotiations are going well" to "there were none" incident I don't see Top Rank and GBP doing any business for a while together so the fact is I can't put 100% blame for Top Rank having in house fights, GBP will be doing it . 3) Alexander and Bradley are relative unknowns outside boxing fans with limited fan base. Margarito's fan base are his adoring Mexican public who will buy the card and support "their" man. Does this suck? Yes. Is it fair? Yes. If you were asked to fight a guy who brings in you more cash than another guy who doesn't who would YOU pick? So that's a question I'd say everyone should ask themselves because while I personally wish it were Bradley vs Pac, I'd also say I'd take the Margarito fight myself given the 3x payout because I'm honest enough to accept the fact that making money isn't a bad thing either. 4) IF Bradley beats Alexander, it might generate enough fan base to at least make a Bradley fight reasonable. Works vice-versa too. 5) Pwill and Berto are Haymons guys and I don't see Aurum talking to Haymon about a fight. So we shouldn't expect it either or blindly ask for it. If any fight involves GBP or Al Haymon working with Top Rank we should just kill it there because its useless to assume they will let things wash over fast. If you can get the 2 camps to make a fight that will get them millions over, can you honestly expect them to work together to make peanuts? 6) Pac still is gonna use mileage for this fight while someone else is out in Florida with Don King. Its a case of "who am I MORE pissed at" and its the guy whose hanging out with Don King. Frankly if Don King is your plan B...its a damn poor plan B and let me tell you that any means to defend is worthless, can't defend teaming up with Don King, just can't. Just ask Moe Sizlak (get the humor?)

Your logic Yesir is on par with a Mayweather Sr. I'll go ahead and give you an epiphany since your looking really ridiculous at this stage. fools dont understand this. good legacy and rich>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>great legacy and broke. legacy dont pay the bills. but you cant expect pactards to understand this Actually DLH is possibly the prime example of using one's own legacy to establish a means of generating wealth. Mayweather's own undefeated record is additional proof too. We can toss in Sugar Ray Leonard and Ali as well. The fact is that a boxer can use their legacy to further their own financial success. Neither is mutually exclusive and if you can't understand this logic, feel free to ask your kindergarten teacher for an explanation. If Ali wasn't a star, his current merchandise wouldn't sell. If Sugar Ray Leonard wasn't a boxing celebrity he wouldn't have appeared in Seinfeld. One thing you yourself need to account for then is simply name a situation where a bad/failed legacy in the sport of boxing paid bills? When Mayweather's legacy declines so will his support from the public. He built his legacy and aura of being "unbeatable" to maintain his status as a draw and if he can't maintain it, then he can expect more IRS visits and lower PPV's if he ever "un-retires" again. Fact is Pac is the only dance partner who can both cement his legacy and provide the biggest payday he's ever had. and? plenty people work jobs that pay them well but they arent in love with it or even like it So what's keeping Mayweather then? Let's say I make a poll and make it even more cynical and ask everyone here "Hey who here wouldn't mind taking a dive or getting their a@@ beat in boxing for 40M? Hell you can run back or whatever you want, its a 40M payday regardless!". When Mayweather goes out there and says "I'm the best ever because I'm undefeated" and "I fight for money" he has no excuse whatsoever for not taking a fight with Pac in the end. If he fights for money then that's the most he'll ever make. If he wants to unconditionally substantiate his claim about being the "best ever", then there's his chance as well. Its 2 birds with one stone. I don't have to go any further than using Mayweather's own words as to justify his own actions. all i have to say is this thread proves how retarded pactards are......the replies by the pactards in this thread is by far the most retarded stuff i've read in a long time. In psychology they teach that when generally accepting a truth that is difficult to both believe and accept the first step is anger followed by denial. I know which step your on and no need to be in denial about it, I understand that its a phase your going through and its tough, I can emphasize. It's not an easy truth to accept that your man Mayweather is now in the runnings to be the face of purdue chicken :) So I'll give you time to let the emotions ride out their course.

LOL @ Arum wanting JMM to fight the top guys at 140 and his own fighter before he puts Manny in the ring against JMM. If Alexander and Bradley go after each other (and supposedly they will it looks like), then one will come out as the "top dog", that just leaves Amir Khan and the winnerof Alexander/Bradley. With Khan already offering before to fight Marquez, I don't see it a bad thing given if Marquez can't take the 2 best Jr WW @ 140, he won't survive @ WW and it'll be a repeat of Marquez vs. Mayweather; a bloated pinata serving nothing more than target practice...

It seems Cowboys stadium is in the running and has the lead (and I can see Aurum doing it there too). If however the fight goes to Mexico, it probably will make attendance records. But at Cowboys Stadium, I don't see it happening. But the stadium will do what only that place can do; glamorize the event in a way that makes it look bigger and better than the fight really is and that sure as hell isn't happing in Vegas. By saying that the stadium and Cowboy cheerleaders made me forget every now and then how boring Clottey was, its a credit to that building they mad!

The simple matter of the fact is that Mosley was never going to bring in the revenue that Cotto was going to bring in. Add the fact that Cotto was the last guy during this period to have beat Mosley also added credibility to Cotto being a legitimate threat to Pac. Finally add in the fact that both are Top Rank fighters and that would be 3 areas that Mosley would not be able to contend in. Feel free to post as much old news as you want to divert attention from your man Floyd being a duck and a chic. Mosley was and still is only a name recognizable among boxing enthusiast while Cotto was guaranteed to bring his ppl for the bigger revenue and dollars. If Mosley did fight Pac he would have needed to offer a much lower percentage to offset the revenue Pac would loose by taking him instead of Cotto and that percentage is closer to maybe 30% or less.

Thank you! I swore I was the only one on here who sees this...and not only is Tony going to be jobbing to Manny Pacquaio, but so did Clottey. Shamefully, Clottey wasn't well versed on how to expertly job and throw a fight. You don't stand in a corner with your arms up before the opening bell. Oh well...hey, at least this fight will do 800K and all will go well. And what the hell did Marquez deserve to get a fight with Mayweather @ WW. Hmmmm Marquez @ WW and 20 lbs heavier than he ever fought before. Yup never saw that one coming. And the fight was delayed until Mexican Independence day too...Like that wasn't made to be a dive of a fight. Might as well have Mayweather make another "Undefeated" event with Calderon and have him move up to WW too. Bradly is a good fighter but doesn't have the fan base as Margarito and the fact is there are more Mexican fans out there willing to pay to see their boxer fight Pac than there are fans in the US willing to pay cash to see Bradley get beat. It comes down to money but get your conspiracy theory crap out of here as well. Clottey had no more of a chance than Cotto did. The same Vegas odds makers also chose Myweather over Mosley so I guess they plan it all huh.

Again the Mayweather nuthuggers out in force ready to believe any conspiracy they can get their hands on. Obviously Aurum wants the mexican base, not like Mayweather ever needed it with Marquez as a dance partner on Mexican Independence day.

As it was stated before, Pac leaves it to his promoter to do the work of finding a fighter. As for the Olympic Style Blood Tests, as Kevin Iole pointed out (and he's been a big defender of Mayweather) why the hell did Golden Boy make an about face on blood testing when Zab Judah wanted the same tests for his bout with Mosley? Golden Boy only said they'd adhere to whatever the Nevada Athletic Commission told them to do and nothing more. Funny how that was Golden Boy's stance first time the idea of Olympic Style Testing came out. And frankly Floyd does get to be criticized a lot more for actually being a native English speaker and make statements like he's better than Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard or Ali. Haven't heard that ever from someone and not even Tyson, so that says something in itself. Mayweather had 60 days to say "I'll fight him next year" or "I need more time to negotiate" or "I want to think about it and cover more issues in finer detail". Fact Schaeffer, Ellerbe and DLH all just basically lied also means Mayweather's intention of returning to boxing to "clean house" and that he's better than Pac means sh*t. And to refresh your memory, Roach says Pac is better than Mayweather, Pac has only said he think Mayweather doesn't want to fight him. No drama and simple. So how the f**k is it a non-native speaker gets the point across in plain English and Floyd can open his ass~crack of a mouth and explain his end with all of its lies and dramas. He doesn't owe me a fight or sh*t, but the boxing public don't owe Floyd sh*t either now when it comes to his legacy as a boxer either.

here is an interesting Fact: just this year Mayweather offered Manny a purse parity a 14 day's testing cutoff with the 10 mill per pound penalty and Manny's choice of glove and the date of the fight 1) Fact check that "choice of glove" actually being in the contract 2) 10 mil per pound penalty had a basis given WW limit is @ 147 and Mayweather DID go over the weight limit and it had a basis 3) When Golden Boy was asked by Zab Judah for Olympic Style Testing during his bout against Mosley, Golden Boy responded that only if the Nevada Athletic Commission sets the rules and will only adhere to additional testing if the commission requires it 4) Interesting how with respect to point #3 above, Golden Boy has forgotten they even said that Oh and the bottom below points are casual observations too that I think should be clarified: 5) Sugar Ray Robinson went around beating the sh*t out of boxers sometimes in as little as 3 times in 2 months. If you want to be the best, have got to be more active in the ring to cement that claim of "bext boxer ever". 6) If Floyd intends to retire w/out facing Pac, then its his choice. He doesn't owe the public or boxing anything. However the public holds the right to also determine his place in history and it won't be what Floyd claims; he isn't the best fighter ever, he'll always be ranked below Pac. 7) With regards to point #6 his place in history also is determined by the fact that Golden Boy, Schaeffer and Ellerbe all lied about the story. Greenburg has a tighter relationship with Golden Boy than Top Rank and if he was to lie, he'd benefit more backing up Golden Boy's version of events. 8) Margarito doesn't deserve a fight with Pac but he has a huge base of Maxican fans still which exceed Bradley, Alexander and Pwill and possibly Martinez. No matter what, any fight Pac takes does take a bit from him and I can respect his willingness to fight still. And this I feel is the most important point: 9) Floyd can feel he's the sh*t or whatever but there is no one else he can take on other than Pac. He can argue about the purse but fact is he can ask for 65% with any other fight and still he won't make half of what he'll make taking Pac. He doesn't get to dictate the terms of everything at his convenience because Pac is the only legit dance partner he has. The weight penalty has a basis (he was overweight for Marquez), the basis for Olympic style testing is Mayweather Sr who claims Pac takes steroids and a drug that he claims is made so soldiers don't feel anything, even bullets (like really...like seriously r u fking kidding me....this is the evidence for Pac on roids....sh*t even George Bush with weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was far more believable than these statements from Mayweather). Frankly nuthuggers for Mayweather will always nuthug their man and believe Aurum and Greenburg were lying. It doesn't matter if Mayweather doesn't want to fight, but that also means we don't have to subject ourselves to him saying he's better than Sugar Ray Robinson or Sugar Ray Leonard. Yea w/e Floyd Jr. Guess the dementia is hitting you earlier than it hit your dad when you make statements like that.

The only reason I stared at your post as long as I did was because of the hottie in your sig LOL!

Unlike the Super Bowl though, someone like Peyton Manning has to do his thing in his "ring" about 20 times a year before making it to the Super Bowl. Sugar Ray Robinson went around beating the crap put of boxers multiple times a year and sometimes fight a month after he fought already. That's why we consider him one of the greatest. But seriously, fight once a then you go around saying your the best ever because your undefeated? Think you've been hit on the head far too often that its affected your thinking Mayweather...

Well I guess it proves one thing then, I don't have the education level of a Mayweather. Did you need me to dumb it down for you a bit then?

.....sure you are son. fk i wish this place would ban idiots like this. man just wanna talk boxing and learn more sh!t and guys like this have to ruin the forum Newsflash but SOMEONE DID FIND A WAY TO F**K UP ONE OF THE BIGGEST FIGHTS FOR FIGHT FANS! Its bad enough when Dana White goes about parading about whether boxers have balls or not to step up to competition. But frankly, yeah, its actually more upsetting when the best and brightest excuse for Mayweather is "I'm on vacation".....WTF R U SERIOUS MAYWEATHER?!?! I would've accepted: 1) concerns over the purse, 2) his Uncle, 3) legal matters, 4) getting finances in order due to IRS or 5) lets talk about the fight but set it for next year. That's 5...FIVE SOLID AND REASONABLE ARGUMENTS HE COULD'VE MADE BUT HE DIDN'T. Of all the crap and BS a boxer could've pulled to show they have absolutely no balls they say "I'm on vacation". That's it, that's the best reason you have? Frankly if that's his excuse then yeah, I get to reserve the right to call him a ducker. I don't need any Mayweather nuthuggers to tell me a set of reasons to defend him, I JUST CAME UP WITH A LIST OF 5 IN UNDER A MINUTE! *BUT* the man spoke, Mayweather defended himself and said "I'm on vacation and not thinking of boxing". That's it, that's his sole defense. Nothing else. So yea I'll assume he's ducking and his excuse is as pathetic as yessir's stories are on these forums. And yea I'll call him out on it because he made it possible. By not taking the fight and giving a lame excuse like that, then I get to reserve that right to allude to his fear of loosing, his fear of getting a "1L". I agree with Scoop Jackson's article, the man has got to man up and live up to what he says. That's how it is. I don't have to hold Pac to the same standard as Floyd; one simply fights to entertain the other says he's the greatest. Well Floyd if you say your the greatest there's a challenge waiting for there. Don't be on vacation too long though, I hear the IRS isn't happy about your not getting a payday either. Oh and for the record, that excuse was as gawd awful as when I was 9 years old and I first heard a kid say "but the dog ate my homework"... Maybe Mayweather also mailed that check in for the $65k he owes in Vegas rent for his office but the check "most likely got lost in the mail". I heard its a 100% believable excuse and every credit card company will assume it to be true too. As far as I'm concerned, Mayweather is getting off pretty damn easy for the **** he's pulling.

Im done arguing with you..because its obvious that you're a fanboy of certain fighter..i tried having a honest debate with you A nice of saying you're tired of demonstrating your retardation to the world. Most of the boxing writers that have kissed his ass for years are already turning their back and crucifying Mayweather. Here's a news flash for you: what legit opponent has Mayweather fought since his bout with Castillo? Judah, sure coming off a loss made that an easy fight. Baldomir, no one easily believed it would be competitive. Hatton? With Hatton being solely offensive minded and fighting @ WW with more of a brawler style? Mosley at the age of 38 and more than a year of inactivity? After Castillo his only legitimate match was with DLH as sad as that sounds. I'll hear Floyd fans swear left and right about Mosley but all the gamblers heard the odds and knew how low of a favorite Mosley was. If Mayweather has lost anything from these last series of negotiations, its his spewing of "best ever"; he was never the best and doesn't have the balls to prove it. Better than Ray Robinson? Sure whatever. Better than Ali? He never ran from future HOF'ers and took them all on. Better then Leonard? He had the balls to give the public Hagler and Hearns when they demanded it. Mayweather boxes for money? Sure as hell don't look like that. Needs time for the family. Why because he works a job that has him away from home on a daily basis? Is afraid to to train without Roger? Maybe you should tell your Uncle to stop beating the sh*t out of girls . I'll bestow one title upon you though Mayweather, I think your the best fraud and poser ever. Making everyone believe in something that ain't true is only something that G. Bush pulled off with WMD's in Iraq. You sir rank up their both in intelligence and credibility!

CLASS? Explain exactly how U would prefer him to ACT. When was the last time a bum talked shyt about u for buying a combo @ McDonalds when u could of had enough class to eat damn cold cuts @ home instead of him being forced to watch you walk out of mcdonalds with that look of joy on ur face. Thats pretty classless, right? Guys like u really piss me the fuk off. No one tells u how to spend your hard earned money nor do they fuking care. So why do you care? And YTF is it so "classless" to share with his fans the fruits of his labor? U wouldnt do it, cool. To each his own. But quit the high and mighty shyt. Class is not shoving sh*t in other peoples faces regardless of the situation to compensate for your own emotional short-comings. In logic they say "the degree to which items differ when compared greatly diminish their capacity to actually allow for a comparison". Since I'll assume your as retarded as Floyd Sr. I'll go ahead and simply say while we expect the rich and powerful to live in such a manner it neither means its correct, right or proper. And yes there is a difference between using a McDonalds example to compare with Mayweather; the difference is degree of need vs. excess. Do we have to eat Subway, McDonalds? No. Is it slightly cheaper to eat at home stuff made? Yes. But is that the same as Mayweather showing his bling, spending craploads of cash and not paying his bills and owes? Definitely not. Class when it comes to wealth is really Warren Buffet; hey I have wealth but I won't stick it to your face and remind you every time. And yea Mayweather is likely to go broke and do an Evander Holyfield, the joker sh*ts around money and can't seem to garner the balls to take on Pac for more cash and pay the IRS and his bills. I wonder is all that sh*t paid for or is it gonna get repo'd sometime later.

This would be soooo damn ironic if he truly said that. But as usual expect a semi public denial by his haphazard PR team. This guy is a piece of work. If that's the case shouldn't they be hiring Ellerbe as part of their PR team for "denying" stuff:confused:

If your gonna start a thread, how about posting the correct info. At least I kind of know what DVD to watch next a la Yojimbo or Sanjuro

One day the truth about how corrupt boxing will come out....I feel alot of big PVV fights are fixed. Pacquaio vs Clottey Mayweather vs Marquez Mayweather vs Moseley all three of the losers in those fight put on a terrible acting job of trying to fight. So yes TS I'm with you on your theory. I'm not a fan or buy into the conspiracy theories of boxing as if it were on an existing basis. More so that the logic of throwing the 'bout when you could've won is that doing so favors you more. Clottey could've lost in a less boring manner and still be "sellable" so if he was going to throw the bout to Pac, he may as well done so in a way that wouldn't have thrashed his career forever and still ensure 1 decent future paycheck. Mosley is the worse example, frankly it is. The guy does have everything to gain and if he did beat Mayweather, he'd be the prime target for Pac ensuring at least a bigger share of the PPVs (not a lion's share but larger than what he could now command) and would command a larger crowd draw than he does now. The way I look at Mosley, at his age he needs to be more active on a consistent basis and that 18 month layoff didn't help. He also showed in his bout with Cotto he adjusts to changes in style longer than you'd like to see. If someone said he should've won against Cotto and that was a conspiracy, its a plausible idea. Not on the Mayweather. Marquez vs Mayweather is interesting given everything to gain but Mayweather had advantages in all arenas. The other facts that don't get mentioned by Floyd nuthuggers is that it was the first bout at that weight for Marquez and he seemed to move poorly in training camps (you should really watch the vids of it)but also we really dont know how much in weight Mayweather came into that bout. For all we know he could've weighed as Margarito did for Pac and that uncertainty casts a shadow on how much of an advantage Mayweather had alone in size going into that ring. Another thing I'd put on the table is Mosley and Marquez are pride fighters like Pac; these guys want cash but they carry tons of pride to just throw away a bout for the sake of a paycheck. One way to look at it is Morrales has no problems going into a bout with Pac right now and getting slaughtered but he wouldn't throw the 'bout, he'd give in an honest effort. These types of "conspiracy ideas" reflect poorly not on the winner but looser: Marquez would have to be buyable and so would Mosley and frankly I don't buy it. Both guys would fight the good fight even if they knew the odds were against them winning but they'd still give it their all. They could be in the ring against Andre War in his weight division and they'd still fight to the bitter end.

You know this has been said before a lot of fights. And before JMM vs Pac 2 aswell. Or did the year between JMM 2 and Oscar suddenly dramatically change almost 30y old Pacquiao as a fighter? Its possible for a tons to happen in even a year. If your a Mayweather nuthugger you'd have only look as far as Cotto to actually validate the claim that tons can happen in 2 years. To refresh your memory he was one of the top WW's having beaten Mosley only to loose 2 years later to Margarito and have many nuthuggers say Pac faced a washed up version of Cotto. That's fine if you want to reply with some other BS but hey just trying to point out a fact that you seem to assert is impossible. Pac gets criticized but I'll do it fairly. He doesn't call himself the best fighter ever (feel free to youtube, google, or w/e you want, it isn't there). But I'll go out and say I don't make it a point to nuthug him or say he's #1 until he takes on Mayweather. But the fact is his fights have been overall in the past several years riskier. All the critics and scribes said DLH should have taken him out via size, Cotto's power should've been enough and that Hatton being unbeaten @ 140 would've tested Pac. The fact is that Mayweather's resume has been pretty shoddy and does in fact seem protected if you look at the last several years of his boxing resume. His risky fights in 10 years were Castillo, DLH and Mosley. No one seriously considered Baldomir, Zab or Chavez (due to his age) a serious threat to Mayweather. Fact is if your gonna proclaim to be #1 boxer ever, prove it or shove it. If he had taken Cotto pre-margarito, Paul Williamsor Mosley years earlier as jr WW/WW then yea his resume would look impressive enough to actually make that statement more solid. Say what you want about Mayweather and Pac, but like I said before regardless of whether its to be the "evil villian to sell tickets" in boxing, if your gonna make a statement as the best ever you better damn well have something to support that and so far he hasn't and that's the real problem I have with him. Oh and FYI Ellerbe saying there were "no negotiations" are just laughable. Sure gag orders just come out from the butt of a cloud because their fun for no reason. If there isn't fight then just say so and don't come out saying "omfg there wasn't any".

Pac makes everyone come to him I have NO PROBLEM what so ever agreeing that little man Pac SHOULD move down and face the guy that took him to hell twice. Especially when everyone keeps using the term about Pac being too small and that everyone should move down to him. Well I say JMM is too small (Floyd proved this) and Pac should man up and move down to fight the man he avoided to fight that was a WEAK paper title holder in David Diaz.. Anyone notice he's doing the exact same thing now too? Avoiding legit 154 guys to face a guy that doesn't deserve the fight let a lone a title at 154 when he's only fought there twice in the past 6 years or so. Picking and choosing his opponents at the weight they feel they get the advantages. Isn't this what Mayweather gets bashed for? Even though when Floyd ENTERED the 147 division back in 2006 he beat 2 out of the TOP 3 guys and then moved up to 154 to beat Hoya. None of these fights where at catchweights. Yet Floyd gets bashed for it? Pac can clearly duck JMM for Diaz, Clearly avoid "too good" Mosley and walk away from Mayweather to fight in court in the first round of negotiations and that ALL gets overlooked? JMM deserves a fight more than ANYONE. Arum doesn't want anything to do with technical fighters. Especially ones that are known to give Pac trouble. Let alone having boxing and technical abilities. Arum wants slow trotting, aggressive come forward style fighters who will go toe to toe.. HAHA I love the BS this was filled with. He faced Zab Judah and Baldomir. He didn't face SHane Mosley then nor did he face Cotto pre-retirement nor did he face Cory Spinks. We can also add that as he's already ventured into 154 he faced DLH. I don't see Pwill or Sergio Martinez on his resume either now do I. Pac doesn't have to move down in weight anymore than Mayweather did. I go ahead and call Pac as a natural 143 lbs, pretty much the weight Roach says he walks around naturally. I like how all of you nuthuggers complain about 2 lbs on Cotto and 4 lbs on MArgarito and yet you want go ahead and call 8 lbs on Pac, seriously how retarded of you. Oh and if you look at history, Haymon, Schaeffer and DLH pretty much signed off on the fight pre-deadline with only one guy missing there. Yea its your boy Mayweather. I don't see Mayweather running to fight any legit opponent. I'll also refresh your memory and remind you Pac took Cotto who was the guy who took Mosley down. Clottey was locked in as Mosley was locked in with Berto. Berto withdrew due to Haiti's hurricane and allowed Mayweather to lock in a fight as THERE WAS NO OTHER LEGIT WW AVAILABLE OR JR WW AT THE TIME OTHER THAN MOSLEY. If you want to white-wash history, do it on your own time. JMM deserves a 3rd fight but if he can't fight at a weight where he's technically the B-side, then no, he doesn't deserve to negotiate the terms. Mayweather will always assume he's the A-side so what's the use going down that road when it comes to FM-Pac. Not the same in JMM-Pac and the idea of him beating at least Clottey is the fact that he's pretty much now a gatekeeper: he either proves he can complete at a legitimate level in WW or he can't. And the fact is if Pwill went down to 147 (despite all of his claims he can do so and be effective) and Pac beat him via points, all of the floyd nuthuggers would come out in force and say "OMG he just did another weight drain boo-hoo!". Fact is you just don't like Pac and blame him for whatever, it doesn't matter and I get that. Next time you want to hate, remember that it was your boy in Mayweather that can't sign a dotted line and whenever something goes wrong a Mayweather has a convenient excuse as to why, whether it be Roger, Jr or Sr. Didn't want Mosley before? He uses drugs always. Didn't want Cotto before? Why he only brings all of Puerto Rico with him (sarcasm). Baldomir and Judah were great WW's? Well did we forgot Judah was coming off a loss to Baldomir and Pwill was also on the bottom of the list not ranked higher being unable to land a fight with anyone and Mayweather refused a deal to take Margarito to instead take Baldomir whose style was basically another Hatton? Oh and on that reference Hatton lost because he didn't listen to Mayweather Sr during training camp? Leonard responded to the publics calls to face opponents. So did Ali. Robinson just went out and beat the shit out of everyone. Mayweather goes on to run his mouth and say "best ever" and isn't backing it up. His strongest defenders from Kevin Iole to Lyle Fitzsimmons have called him on it and its true that without a fight against Pac, for whatever reason, he'll always take a back seat to him and the whole lot of you nuthuggers can't change that either.

I saw nothing to warrant this as a serious issue. He dint threaten the rent a cop or nothin... He just... pressed the button to go in... :lol1: Apparently the guard really didn't recognize him and sent the tape and info the police which is how TMZ got a hold of it. So the guard did think it was a big thing as in "oh hey a stranger just went inside...great". As far as boxers go most of my non-boxing friends would only recognize Mike Tyson really. That's really it. I get a laugh how he says no one asks the Maloof family for ID's, I mean they ARE billionaires and as far as sports icons go, Micheal Jordan is considered one of few sports stars overall where he'd be recognize anywhere he went. . So what's the big deal about flashing an ID and getting on. Sh*t dude, anger management is a b*tch, he would've gotten home sooner. The guy is just going to explode one day and it isn't going to be pretty.

I don't understand what's so hard about taking a damn blood test. jesus christ. Never helped Lance Armstrong exactly silence his critics now did it? Once you put out something like that in public, never either helps nor does it do anything to prove someone; win and it still lingers, loose and it only proves, loose-loose no matter the outcome. Frankly if Floyd was the a-side in this bout, then I wouldn't mind it as much. But if its 50-50 and one side trying to play the mind-games, then whatever. If it comes down to mind games and falls apart because of it, then it is what it is. If I were in a position were I felt I was the a-side as much as someone else and they asked me to do hurdles and **** for them, they can f**k off. Some things aren't solely about money and I'd rather beat the guy more at this stage of Pac's career.

Its forcing them down that kills fighters going up a few pounds makes you stronger and will never hurt , I dont see Mannyipulater want JMM at 140 lol , that why I know your just a nerd fanboy because of things that Pac does to gain advantage by hurting his opponents , like Manny killed the already sloth slow Margo on the scales and then put him in ring HWs dont fight in , and you lapped it up like a good little fanboy , 150 fuken paper title . Wow, you just showed how incredibly retarded you were kiddo. "Going up doesn't hurt you?"...Yea may want to take that line with the short yellow school bus. How about you possibly hit the gym and take up boxing if your that gifted of a fight fan. But since you prefer to be like Floyd Sr. and rant, actually yea weight does affect you. Its called effective fighting weight dip~**** and its the weight you can still move around without being a human punching bag. If you go above that limit which is what Mayweather did to Marquez, your just a damn punching bag, you can take a few more hits but you can't dodge for sh*t, can't throw punches faster and can't counter effectively. But what do you know, you just exposed yourself as a retarded moron for saying Marquez going up in weight for a division he's never fought and 15 lbs heavier than ever was beneficial for him. What's next, wanna say the world is flat too?

i still think marquez is a natural lightweight,no more,even 140 i think is too much for him...so what would happen if he were to beat khan?...this: pacquiao could easily make 140,but he will demand marquez go up to 147 or 143,somewhere around there,we will see manny once again demanding things to get advantages and at that weight i think marquez is just too small,he's no more than a lightweight Umm isn't that technically what floyd did for his bout with Marquez. I'd also say he isn't effective at 140lbs either. 135 was the highest weight he last fought at effectively . Pac walks around at around 142/143 lbs so a fight @ WW wouldn't really turn out for Marquez vs. Pac or any other WW.

All I really got from this story is the following memo: something something champion vs. a former something something champion.... So its like pitting washed up fighters as target practice and show for current boxers. Ty GBP this is what the public obviously demanded.

Garcia should have stopped the fight and he would have done so had he cared just a little bit about Marg. Nobody but Marg would have complained had Garcia thrown in the towel in the championship rounds. I mean Marg couldn't see the punches coming and he was eating powershot after powershot without even the slightest bit of countering. Besides. Had Garcia stopped it Marg would have been able to complain about it thereby saving a bit of face for those stupid fans that believe he should have been allowed to finish the fight. A bit about the interview: Garcia says he had a solid strategy for Marg. The interviewer fails to find out what that 'solid strategy' was exactly. That's a shame because that would have been nice to know. I have to admit, that jab worked wonders for 1 or 2 rounds. Going up the middle worked nicely and when they could get Pac stuck on the ropes it worked too but with his chin, they just couldn't do it often. But the beating sure as hell wasn't both ways and those combos were vicious; one hit let to a string of hits 400 shots to the head... I expected Pac to beat Margarito but I didn't expect facial reconstruction and that savage of a beating. If it was Kenny Bayless in there he'd look for any reason maybe by round 10, easily by 11 to stop that fight.

The funny part are all of the Fraud nuthuggers going "omg Clottey sucked and didn't do sh*t"... Hey guess what dip**** he was actually a WW contender that had a better resume than Berto. HOLY SH*T DID I JUST CALL YOU OUT ON YOUR FU**IN RETARDNESS! Can't control what happened in the ring but seriously if the bunch of you are going to call on Pac to take on Berto and give him sh*t over Clottey who had a nicer resume than Berto, get off the drugs that Floyd Sr. is on because the logic doesn't make sense. You can call Cotto whatever you want. Hell you can call ODH over his prime too and even that Clottey didn't crap. But seem to ignore Clottey's resume, Cotto was someone even Mayweather "happily" ignored to fight and yea I've seen Mayweather vs. ODH and his jab was holding Mayweather at bay and was getting past his defense but against Pac he was just dominated. So say whatever you want. Pac is still taking on fighters, Mayweather is still fighting security guards lol.....

jmm is a future hall of famer. you are lucky to have an opportunity to fight marquez.this kahn fake is starting to get old quick. kahn has'nt done **** to impact his own legacy.he's remembered by getting knocked out in the 1st round by prescott.marquez has better obtions. screw kahn. Got to have to give the man credit however, a shutdown on Kotelnik where as Alexander was the looser on my card for that 'bout. I more than happy to judge fighters on their last bouts not just one, so yes let's keep that in mind. I wouldn't mind seeing a 50/50 split on the purse since Khan brings legitimacy and a chance for Marquez to make history on his end (and I do think that WILL be a big thing for Mexican fans) and Marquez brings a fanbase that gets Khan's name out there. I wouldn't mind a Maidana fight but I'd also be a moron to judge a boxer from saying he shouldn't expect a payday. I'd say though this sh*t is GBP's fault in overpaying fightings. Same sh*t with Berto.

Sorry my man. I ain't you. Pac can't beat Martinez. For the record, I been a fan of Martinez's boxing skill if you have ever been following any of my past posts. Floyd could get beat too. I would say Floyd has a shot but Manny doesn't. The thing that makes me different from you is that, Floyd Mayweather Jr was my favorite fighter and now Martinez took his spot with the win over Paul. Shows I am on nobodies nuts because that is what being a fan of boxing is about not favortism. Manny is probably the only one you will ever respect as a fighter. Floyd has no shot against Martinez. It has nothing to do with skills. just physical limitations. Your actually on Floyd's nuthugging tree still a bit to think he has a shot against Martinez. Floyd got troubled with DLH's jab and was able to overcome Mosley whose age and slowness didn't look good. I said that before their fight so I'll stick by it thank you. Martinez is a good pressure fighter with a solid chin, good footwork and punching power. If Floyd brought the game he did against Mosley he would get owned. Same reason I don't see Floyd taking on Pac, hand and foot speed are in Pac's favor, accuracy is about even, power slightly to Pac. Floyd's last fight was his best and given his age, it might be a sign he's close to not peak anymore. I see Floyd taking on winner of Alexander/Bradley but @ WW or Amir Khan. I don't see him getting into the ring with Martinez or Pac, even if Floyd could make weight @ 154 or less without any issues. At least with Pac, its the same argument with Marquez, weight classes exist for a reason and Pac's highest weight division is WW. And no Pac isn't my favorite fighter solely but at least I prefer to give solid reasons as to why someone would win/loose.