Ortiz has had a string of bad luck and some of these fights hes missed are Ortiz and his team's issues. Boots has not declined to fight Ortiz we all know that. As for Madrimov being the better fight Madrimov was sick with lung issues how is that a better fight? On paper yes hes better at that time if you ommit the facts that he was coming off a loss and couldnt breath right not to mention he had to cancel is previous comback fight in december prior to the fight. It also wasn't a secret he had lung issues and to this day still has lung issues.
The fact is that Ortiz is sidelined and its because of him and his team's own doing.
Oh and while doing some research i had forgot that Ortiz also declined Crawford twice... lol
https://www.boxingscene.com/articles/xander-zayas-jilted-by-vergil-ortiz-wholl-instead-fight-madrimov-i-accepted-fight-never-heard-back
https://www.newsstitchedmedia.com/post/wbo-president-confirms-virgil-ortiz-declined-crawford-twice
Target Date
Opponent
Status
Primary Reason for Cancellation
March 19, 2022
Michael McKinson
CANCELED
Ortiz diagnosed with Rhabdomyolysis 5 days before the fight.
August 6, 2022
Michael McKinson
FOUGHT
Rescheduled date; Ortiz won via TKO9.
March 18, 2023
Eimantas Stanionis
POSTPONED
Stanionis required emergency appendectomy.
April 29, 2023
Eimantas Stanionis
POSTPONED
Ortiz suffered a recurrence of Rhabdomyolysis.
July 8, 2023
Eimantas Stanionis
CANCELED
Ortiz fainted during the weight cut 3 days before the fight.
Early 2024
Terence Crawford
DECLINED
WBO ordered the fight at 147; Team Ortiz declined due to weight/money.
August 3, 2024
Tim Tszyu
CANCELED
Tszyu failed medical clearance due to a severe cut (from his Fundora fight).
February 2025
Xander Zayas
COLLAPSED
Ortiz team rejected Zayas as "not world-level" enough yet.
December 2025
Xander Zayas
COLLAPSED
"Email-Gate": A public 50/50 offer was made but never legally signed due to ortiz not wanting to go to Puerto Rico.
January 2026
Jaron "Boots" Ennis
COLLAPSED
Preliminary agreement failed; Golden Boy never returned the contract.
April 18, 2026
Jaron "Boots" Ennis
CANCELED
Legal Injunction: Ortiz sued Goldenboy and a Judge blocked Ortiz from signing the Saudi/Matchroom deal.
Lima took the fights vs Ennis, does that mean Lima is better than Ortiz. I'm pretty sure if you "felt" underpay you would not take thh fight. ORTIZ had ALREADY agree to fights Boots in Saudi, if they are offering less than before then that's idiotic for anyone to take.
Why didn't Haney take the Rolly fight? Money.
I get what your saying about fighting in saudi and Turki and all but at the end of the day his promoter is Golden Boy and not Turki (turki is a bonus). The fact is like i said earlier Ortiz and his team self inflicted a Mickey Garcia 2.0 on themselves by trying to nigotiate a fight without there promoter.
As far as Lima is concered obviously he's not better than Ortiz because he took the fight, it was also obvious that Lima came in taking a chance fighting the better fighter and was a tune up fight from the get go and Lima understood it to be so plus it was a good payday for him. You can't compare the 2 scenarios. Ortiz has no chips to play other than having a name which at the end of the day is his own fault.
As for the underpaid part look at Crawford and a fight i brought up before, he was with Top Rank and took a fight against Ricky Burns and he was the underdog in that fight he also didnt get millions on that fight even though he had a name as a prospect. Ortiz seems to be seriously unwilling to do that, no one can say he didnt have a chance to do it thats for sure.
Ortiz turned down Zayas 2 times those are facts.
Ortiz, his team or promoter turned down Boots 2 times ( 3 times if you remember the 147 days where Ortiz said he couldnt make 147 anymore and had to leave for 154 and never signed a contract that was sent to him) those are facts.
DAZN made Top Rank make the fight, it was part of the deal. Why didn't Zayas offer Ennis to fight in Puerto Rico? We know he is not in control and that was a way of ducking. PR does not sell more than Vegas.
Thats a simple answer that you could have easily looked up, Boots last fight was on october 11 and the fight with Abass was signed on November the 12th for a Jan 31 date Boots after his fight and after Ortiz said no to Zander started preliminary talks with Ortiz and he was not available which actually make it worse for Ortiz knowing that he had since late Octorber to make a fight with boots and couldnt because of Diva garbage.
Back to Zayas, Ortiz came up with the excuse that PR dont sell and wanted the fight in Vagas. Zayas said he wanted to have a home town title defense before and had the venue picked out. We all know Vagas sells more than PR thats a given. But why didnt Ortiz just go and take the belt from him in PR anyway why let that fight slip?? like I said you or anyone can talk about Zayas hasnt done this or that but he has signed the contracts and Ortiz hasnt shown that. I know you dont want to see it that way but thats just truth.
When Crawford was told if he wanted a title shot he had to go to Scottland what did he do ?? he didnt just let the fight slip he said ok i call your bluff and I'll go to Scottland to take it from Ricky Burns.
Who is rank or consider a better fighter Zayas or Ortiz. People wanted Ortiz vs Ennis with NO belts on the line
Ortiz vs Ennis is more intriguing than Zayas vs Ennis that has 2 belts on the line.
Madrimov and Bahachcuk are better names than anyone Zander has beaten. Plus he will get schooled by Ennis. Those 2 names are also better than anything on Boots Resume. I think Vergil wants to get payed for one of the biggest fights in America. He thinks he is worth x and GB thinks he is worst x. Every employee thinks they are worth more.
Again you can say all this Ortiz fought the better this better that but like I said Zayas signs the contracts and Ortiz ??? just doesnt. like I said Madrimov had and has lung issues and Ortiz, goldenboy and the rest of the boxing world knew that, it wasnt hidden so its hard to give him credit for that win in my eyes. Bahachuck was a cool fighter and a good win I'm in agreeance with you on that fight, but again Zayas signs the contract, Ortiz what is he doing ?
Ortiz own team started the battle with his promoter it wasnt Zayas, Boots or Goldenboy/De La Hoya. Ortiz is the one who said no to Zayas 2 times on some bull excuses about he doesnt have a belt the first time and when he got a belt and gave him a second shot he came up with another bull excuse talking about PR dont sell out fights. Then he wanted a guarantee that was only possible with Turki Alalshikh money and priced himself out for the Boots fight, then he wanted to get out of his contract in the worse possible way.... who's fault is that ??
Again there have been 3 fights that Ortiz screwed up by himself or with the help of his team im not going to count the other 2 screw up becuase those were health problems at 147.I think Ortiz and his team are worse than any enemy could ever be at this point to themselves. Talk about shooting your own foot and then crying about it like he's the victum of Goldenboy/De La Hoya.
I think at this point in time Ortiz could be more talented than Zayas definitely more experienced and hell he should be with a 5 year age gap and peaking in his prime.
If Ortiz was smart he should had taken the Zayas fight in PR took that belt if he could and then took the other belt from Abass Baraou if he could and then went into the Boots fight but instead we looking at a Mickey Garcia 2.0 scenario??? can anyone make that make sense.
At the end of the day it took Zayas what 2-4hrs to sign the contract while Ortiz had the contract for how long??? over a month or 2 crying and complaining and never signed???
Why would Vergil ducked Ennis?
Vergil has nobody else to fight.
Fundora will stay fighting old PBC fighters
Kelly has the IBF with a Rehydration clause
Zayas was not interested in Vergil
Skill wise Ennis is probably the best
Vergil has volume and power
Fundora has the reach advantage
Zayas has the best promoter to build him up. But a gift WBO doesn't make you great.
Zayas took it because it's a geat Payday and DAZN made Top Rank make the fight.
No offense bro but your wrong about Zayas, Zayas signed to fight Ortiz before and Ortiz decided to fight Madrimov who was coming off a loss and had known lung issues at the time of the fight, thats why he dropped out of a fight with Bohachuk and he still has lung issues which were evident in his last fight where he was gasping for air and almost lost a tune up fight.
Zayas even after he got a belt sent a contract to fight Ortiz in PR and Ortiz again refused saying he didnt want to fight in PR and came up with the excuse that PR fights dont sell.
Zayas also wanted to fight Fundora but Fundora and his team wanted a rehydration clause for WHATEVER reason then he vacated the WBO title for WHATEVER reason and went on to fight Tim Tszyu.
To me Zayas is 23 and is trying to make fights even this fight with Boots he pushed for it. Ortiz could have had a Zayas fight a long time ago but hasnt wanted it or took on other fights and those are just facts.
All these other guys are 28 years old and havent acomplished much in comparison age wise. FYI By no means am i saying Zayas is better then them at this point.....
Ortiz should have been a champ by now and Boots said he was going to "clean out" 147lb and then left. he had a chance to fight Crawford and didnt take it as well and thats on record.
Ortiz says he want to fight but then never takes the fights? Ortiz was scheduled to fight Stanionis 2 times and nothing ( i get it he gets a pass because of his sickness) then he goes and messes up 3 more times 2 fights with Zayas and now this Boots fight that he and his team messed up. I mean come on guys at some point people are going to have to open up there eyes and see that Ortiz and his team are a problem for themselves or maybe they dont want to fight??? Thats just too many misses on the Ortiz team to be a legit coincidence.
If he beats Fundora I'll give him all the credit in the world - and I do give him some credit for beating Baraou
I would too but anyone that is scheduled to fight Thurman will be in limbo for at least a year it seems to be a thurman curse. Either Thurman's hurt or his opponent gets hurt and the fight is postponed for a year.
Boots and Ortiz haven't signed anything. Zayas could easily call out both if they don't make their fight. He could say he wants to fight Fundora if he wins. Tell you what, if by some miracle Thurman wins I have no doubt Zayas will call him out. Age has nothing to do with it - once you are a champion you should be open to fighting all contenders and be calling them out, not looking for the weakest champion or weakest mandatory, as we see all too often.
Oscar and Eddie have repeatedly said they are focused on making the Boots vs Ortiz fight. Boots and Ortiz have repeatedly said they are focused on making that fight. Zayas has called out Fundora on plenty of occasions like after the Slawa Spomer last Febuary he called him out and it was crickets. Plus if you watch the post fight interview he didnt just call out Kelly he had called out the entire devision and called out Ortiz and Boots by name as well as Kelly.
Its sad that the only guy making moves is this 23 year old kid. Ortiz Jr is 27 years old and his biggest fight is a sick Bronchitis Madrimov and is still chasing a belt. He stayed at 147lbs and didnt do anything of note. He was called out and Ocar didnt want that fight in PR. Yes he's talented but what does that do for you if you dont make anymoves. Boots has been doing a whole lot of nothing as well, his biggest fight is to date is Stanionis while complaning no one wants to fight him. People want to hate on this 23 year old kid but hes the only one wanting to fight and actually taking belts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D0SfBkQ7nY
the weakest champions all unify with each other never proving themselves against those consensually regarded as the top contenders - weak!!!!
To be honest its not Zayas fault that the top 154lbs dont want to fight each other. Dont get me wrong im not saying Zayas would beat them or anything like that but Ortiz had a chance to fight Zayas and opted to fight Madrimov instead who was coming off a loss to Crawford and was having known health problems with severe bronchitis which forced him to withdraw from the previous Bohachuk fight. Ortiz is now slated to be in talks with Boots so both of those guys are out on the sidelines. Fundora is holding himself up with an injury preparing for once upon a time Thurman.
Zayas is 23 right now and isnt even in his prime. Josh kelly is the only real open guy right now. not much happening at 154lbs who else is there Callum Walsh maybe?
Are you one of the judges?
Teo flicked the jab, used his explosiveness to lunge in, and threw 3 body shots in quick succession for the whole second half of the fight. Some weren't clean, but they still landing on the liver, in the stomach, and arm.
Rewatch rounds 6/7-12 and reply.
Most of those shots either were stopped in mid throw with a counter, resulting in Teo just lunging in and doing nothing or they hit Shakurs gloves/arms and then Teo was countered badly. Regarless Teo didn't do no where near enough to win another round other than the 8th.
So, what? Body shots don't count anymore? Shakur won the first half of the fight, Teo took the second.
You don't win unanimously not throwing anything significant for nearly 6 rounds. Shakur had no defense or adjustment for the all those body shots he took keeping his elbows wide in high guard.
Compubox had Teo only landed 72 punches, aka 6 punches per every 3 minutes on average.
The fix was in for the in-house fighter worse than Kelly in England.
I mean did you watch the fight most of those shots hit gloves or were stopped before Teo even threw them. He was met with a jab to the face that nullified the shot Teo threw and Shakur then blocked the body shot.
Only body shots that got in was when Teo first started throwing in what the 8th round the only one he won. Then Shakur adjusted to close the show.
I think there is simple ways to nip this in the butt. All suplaments must now be tested. the fighters must produce all supplaments that they are going to be taking for there camp and it must be tested prior to the start of camp.
it looks like the amount that was in matia's system was extremely small but none the less was it the tale end of a cycle ? was it tanted supplements ?
wow the funny part is i see Canelo winning a UD and not even knocking khan down lol
hey if Alfonso Gomez looked good against canelo before getting stopped then khan might have a chance (until the judges step in and hand canelo the UD)
It was 8-10 seconds. Wilder was already in the middle of the ring when they called him back. Pointless for sure as the doctor was late but it had no effect on the fight whatsoever.
i dont agree at all, it was a little more then that in my eyes not to mention it has nothing to do with the fight, wilder had no cut or anything going on for them to call on the doctor. only explanation would be lets give Wilder more time to recover. (I'm sure Wilder didn't even know what was happening and he would of been happy like all other fighters that receive a gift decision if it would of hit the score cards). I'm glad wilder was able to come back and KO Ortiz just to make the fight right and not have a gift decision on his record.
On the other hand to say the fight wasn't stacked against Ortiz is a little on the underside. The cards read Wilder as being up? how is he up when he didnt do anything other than the 5th round is beyond me.
"The judges said Rios beat Abril so that's final. Abril didn't look impressive and he missed a lot of punches, Rios won."
thats that Bob arum paid logic.. anyone that saw the Rios VS Abril fight and can count know that Rios didnt win a round in that fight.... no matter what $h!t anyone talks boxing is a get hit dont get hit sport and Abril skoooooled the crap out of Rios....
Rios is just more marketable because of the mexicans fans plain and simple
yeah, amir comes into your hometown to get straight JOBBED by your hometown ref. . . gets cheated on the scorecards. . . and you can't have the common damn decency to give him a rematch? he LOST that fight. . . plain and simple. . . lose respect for peterson if he doesn't give khan a rematch, after what khan did for him. . khan didn't have to fight him, AND IN DC?!
yea he got cheated alright Amir did nuthing wrong he didnt blantently push off more then 50+ time in a fight the ref was against amir khan he doesnt like Amir's people he was racist... lol yea... Oh and 114-111 for khan if that isnt a bought judge i dont know what is.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEpQpOU5i8w#]Khan's Double-Fisted Attack
jadon I gree that Danny has a crap defense and was easy to hit, which also invited Khan in.
jadon philly fighter have that kind of D they feel out there opponent even there punches(which is why he got hit also to get the timing spot on) joe frazier used to do that also. khan was hitting him but it wasnt anything that was going to hurt garcia. i also think khan started way to fast he didnt even feel danny out to see what he can get away with. which is what amatures do because of the lack of rounds they have to work in.
Lucas Matthyse will probably end up icing both Olesegun and Garcia.
i dont think lucas will ice garcia and lucas didnt look so good last time out so i think it will be a good fight with a lot of back and forth action. but it is a pick'em fight.
Nice comeback..what are you three? I'm not a GGG fan kiddo. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy point period but thanks for proving my point. Last I checked this dude has been trying to unify the titles for how long now...what's ward doing? Announcing...
Ward had unified long ago and is known as the champ with no equal not to mention is also P4P 2-3 after Mayweather on a lot of lists out there.( and im the three year old ):op:
I just dont see Cotto beating Canelo; Cotto would feed into everything Canelo wants you to do.
hahaha just like Mayweather feed into everything Canelo wants you to do....sorry but i just couldnt help it.
as of right now i think cotto can take Martinez and he would have a battle with Canelo with it going either way. for one Martinez is not the same as he was even pre Chavez JR or after he looks like **** and his body has took a massive turn for the worst. Canelo if he doesnt start early (and have really good success) might have Mayweather flash backs and start to shut down like the May fight( as he might still be shocked by the Mayweather performance).
i dont know but you cant really underestimate a cuban fighter they have really good boxing skills. i dont think monroe could win now but hes got the cuban spirit and the knowlege to be a real test for GGG if he can weather the storm and take a punch from GGG.
Ok so The Chicken Mayweather is trying to fight Manny Pacquiao left over...
hell after floyd woops morales pacman will fight morales( ina grudge match ect.. bull**** ) again anyway so they are just recycling the fighter for more money from the fans....
First fight in three years which he wins by a landslide and folks still talking smack…everyone ain’t Superman and he did pretty damn well for almost three years and two surgeries.first fight in 3 years your right, fight which he won in a land slide your right, but you forgot to look at the fighter he was fighting. He was fighting a guy who was knocked out by tank a135lb fighter. Barrios was picked by Tank due to Barrios being a weak fighter at 140 but still having a decent name and showing.
One time went the distance and showed substantial weakness especially to the body that will be exploited when he decides to move up in competition. Only thing I can see good out of this fight for Onetime was that he had a great physique and good conditioning.
What I got out of this fight that was bad for onetime is that his punch resistance to the body has seem to of gotten worse then what it was before. Barrios by 140lb standards is not a big puncher and by 147lb standards he is definitely not a strong puncher/big puncher yet he was able to have Onetime turn into runtime and take his mouth piece out of his mouth and in his glove. Im sorry but crawford or any of the top guys are not going to just allow you to do that nonsense and run around the ring without cutting the ring off and digging into that body followed by that unprotected jaw. Thats 100% real......
If he follows in the footsteps of most comeback fighters it doesn't look good for him. Most comeback fighter will take a easy tune up fight and then go swinging for the fences with a big fight. (that's a huge mistake for Onetime if he does go that route) at this point in time Thurman needs at least 2-3 more fights before asking for the big boys and that's a long road to travel, that's why we see most comeback fighters get taken out cause no one wants to travel that road especially not the promoters and networks. Its a hard, hard decision for him at this point jump up in comp and not be ready or travel the hard road and risk aging and not being the same by the time he decides to step up in competition guess we shall see.
to be honest from watching boxing for so many years and training as well. Ryan is starting to feel the effects of the weight cut and will have minor to major issues with the rehydration clause. just from my experience and from being an avid fan of the sport.
ah uh. No. I want to see Danny get taken apart by someone for the mediocre fighter he is. Pacquiao, Floyd, and even Khan fighting smartly would wipe the floor with him. Danny may be a name that will remain in boxing for the next coming years but his days as P4P anything are numbered. F*ck this fight. Neither of their belts are on the line and what.. are we supposed to bow down to f*ckin Garcia when he beats Lamont? Are you ****ing kidding me?! There needs to be a mathysse rematch pronto if this little PR f@g wants to be anything respectable. Guy is the epitome of hype job.
mathysse ??? the guy danny beat to hell and knocked down ??? now explain why a rematch is needed when you distroy a guy and make his eye close oh and all of this by punches. not only that but you take his best shot lose a mouth peice and smile at him (when he was suppose to be the baddest fighter at 140 and knock you out in 2-4 rounds)
F*** id be annoyed to/ pissed off with those two doing that **** they should of stayed home and did that ****. they prob didnt watch a single minute of the game. they could of rented a hotel and rubbed P**sies all night for a fraction of what they paid.
Within 2 years the woke and cancel culture mobb has ruined society. If bivol walked into ring with lipstick a dress and high heels with a rainbow flag he would have been viewed as a hero. So let me get this straight u can't use anything Russian but the judges can blantantly cheat in clear sight with rigged and fixed scorecards. Oh the hypocrisy of this world has reached epic levels.
oh the only thing you got wrong is its been a lot longer then 2 years of this crap. you were right the scorecards where so disgraceful. the man has nothing to do with the war in Ukraine he is an athlete and nothing more.
Verdejo has way too many flaws he wastes energy jumping up and down (which can be easily timed by any of the good fighter right now like Mikey) he steps back with jumps on his toes (he will get hit and dropped if not corrected) he realizes on his athleticism too much and doesnt think 3-6 punches ahead of his opponent like the top fighter do aka(Crawford). i think hes a better version of thomas Delorme but thats it he needs those fundamentals and he needs them fast he's lost too much time and time is something boxers dont have. people say hes 25 but remember at 25 your getting into the refinement of you boxing skills not the revampment of your skills those mistakes needed to be corrected at the age of 22-24 and he didnt correct any of them.
Oh and yes i am PR but i will not lie about his lack of skills that he has gotten away with because of his athleticism what happens at the age of 33 when he hasnt corrected anything well easy just look at what Gamboa is doing these days??)
same ol same... then bob arum come in and guess who Beterbiev is fighting next Yarde or what ever his name is lol this has nothing to do with Beterbiev or Bivol wanting to fight or not, but you know top rank wants to make money and top rank wants that Yarde fight in the EU. The EU fans will run and support there fighter no matter what, pouring millions into this fight with Beterbiev even though Yarde doesn't have a chance in hell of beating him.
you know good old bob wants those mills every bit of them.