2008 has been a great year for the one loss retards.
Williams loss to Quintana, Diaz loss to Campbell and now the Lee loss to Vera.
I mostly agree with what your saying, except about Lee. Lee was truly overrated, and he got beat by a crude club fighter, after his trainer and he said he was ready for Kelly Pavlik. I do think that deriding a fighter for one tough loss is dumb (ie. Williams loss, Diaz loss, Taylor loss to Pavlik, Sugar Shane Mosley loss to Winky & Vernon).
I see you are a dedicated member of the club.
And Lee never said he would beat Pavlik. Manny said it purely as promtional strategy (which resulted in Lee signing with TopRank).
what had Lee done to warrant his status? Face it he was overrated, everyone and their momma's thought that Lee would beat Vera, and instead he was knocked out, im not saying that Lee is a bad fighter, all im saying is that he was overrated, he still has a future, but he needs to improve greatly if he expects to contend for the middleweight title in the near future, because i cant see him beating anyon in the top 10
i do agree that he cant just stand an trade, but if he hits cotto with 3 and 4 punch combos and then moves he will have more success as opposed to pop shottin him then runnin
he doesn't have to be stationary to throw combos, look at Duran vs. Leonard II, leonard flurried while fighting at angles and getting out of the way, Floyd is athletic enough to do the same
ummm...Sam Peter looked like his legs turned into jelly when Wlad nailed him in the 12th. And 2 of those KD's where hits behinde the head.
Wlad= next undisputed HW Champ.
But he didn't go down did he, and It doesn't matter unless the referee calls the foul, Peter had him hurt, and Peter was in horrible shape for that fight, imagine if a fit fighter with Peter's power fought him, itd be lights out for Wlad, who still doesn't have a chin
Then guys like Tyson or Holyfield wouldn't even be heavyweights. What's the fun in that?
they would be able to fight up, but guys just wouldn't be trapped in a division they couldn't handle
LOL!!!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: No one can beat Wlad right now!
ummm...Sam Peter knocked him down three times, Wlads chin is still soft as butter, anyone with solid boxing technique (something Peter Lacked) and a strong punch would KO Wlad just ask Corrie Sanders
The cruiserweight devision needs to be eliminated, period. All throughout most of boxing history, all of the great Heavyweights would be cruiser weights by todays standards. Its no coincidence that the rise of the cruiser weight division coincided with the downfall of the Heavyweight division.
Emanual Steward once said that as a fighter gets taller he gets less coordinated. The heavyweight division has been relegated to the realm of uncoordinated circus freaks. Any fighter below 6'5 and 240lb is considered "small".
Never mind that guys like "BIG" George Foreman came into the ring at 208lb during their prime.
The cruiser weight division is a farce, a place for slick heavyweights to hide from the Giants. The giants that they would so easily fell should they muster up the courage to step into the ring with one of them. Evander Holyfield is evidence enough of why the cruiser weight division is not needed. The cruiser weights are plenty big enough to step in there with the big boy.
Not to mention, the cruiser weight division is perhaps the least publicized division in boxing despite its deep pool of talent. A pool of talent that would have kept the Heavyweight division alive and kicking had the cruiser weight division not existed.
Look at all of the best fights in Heavy weight history. Can you name me one that was Giant Heavy against Giant Heavy? Me neither. Ali-Frazier, Holyfield-Bowe, what do they have in common? A fighter that falls within the cruiser weight bounds, fighting a real big heavyweight.
Anyone that even proposes further diluting the Heavyweight talent pool by either raising the cruiser weight limit or creating a new weight class deserves death.
chill man, but you definitely just convinved me I see where your coming from
the only person that can beat floyd right now is Paul Williams, after watching round 6 & 7 of Mosley Cotto, I know PBF would totally outbox miguel cotto
the fact that you made this assumption from watching one Ali fight only shows that you're not knowledgeable of the battles he engaged in. only a floyd nuthugger would make this thread or statement.
your logic reflects your idiocy. I didn't say Floyd is just like Ali, I said he employs several of the same tactics that Ali used in that particular fight. I was making a statement that most of the posters in this forum would say Ali was running in that one fight. And I drew a comparison from the tactics used in that fight, where Ali had to deal with a bigger puncher, to the tactics used by Floyd in fights where he had to deal with bigger punchers. Im no Floyd nuthugger I just know talent when I see it.
that "general highlight" shows things Ali has done that Floyd hasnt. As a matter of fact, if what you claimed in your original post were to be true, im sure it would be very easy for you to actually find a thread calling Ali a runner. I'm sure these "clowns" would have made one by now.
thats the point genius, the double standard on these forums due to the hate of Floyd
incredibly ignorant post and assumption.
though i wouldnt call floyd a runner, ali and floyd were much different. Ali took more risk and actually exchanged more than floyd. even their trash talking was different if you want to get specific. why do you floyd stans get so fucking emotional and start comparing him to ali just for the sake of your argument?
im not getting emotional, Ali was dancing around and then landed a hard shot, im not saying Mayweather has the same power as Ali, but they have similar styles, how many times was Ali caught flatfooted in that video, not once. How many punches did he throw? (not many) What risk did he take in that video he stayed on the move and used his speed, so Im not making any assumption dumbass
i could care less if he call me a stan
i ain't even into ali liek that but comparing mayweather and his GREAT defense aka not enough action azz to ali's good defense with ACTION packed fight is hella gay
maybe i didn't come off clear enough. this is in no way a post comparing their accomplishments or careers I was simply comparing the tactics used by Ali in his second fight with Sonny Liston, to the tactics used by Mayweather in his last few fights.
viva mexico wouldnt even type that shit out.
your a stan, you still don't understand that I didn't compare the two's careers, or even their abilities, only their tactics. And I assure you Im definitely smarter than you. Your probablly not even a high school graduate.
also, that video is a general highlight, not the specific fight i was referring to. Additionally the Foreman fight occured after Ali's layoff. Everybody who knows anything about boxing knows Ali was a much different fighter after the layoff, he no longer had that speed so instead he used his guile and boxing skills to win fights as opposed to the pre layoff fighter who was qucik and athletic
The problem with what you have written is that Hopkins did the same thing more than 10 years ago against Robert Allen. So what was his excuse then?
And who is going to pay for a rematch when a fight ended so disappointingly?
I would rather pay 49.95 to see a rematch between Linares and De Marco.
Max Kellerman did say that his shoulder appeared to be raised...also Hopkins told the ref that he was willing to continue
I do think Hopkins was milking the injury though, but that is strategy, why not get a good long breather in? He didn't throw himself to the ground. No different from a fighter taking fulltime after a low blow
I don't understand most of the complaints about Floyd. Understand that boxing is a dangerous sport, and the potential health consequences are serious. Why should Floyd risk his livelihood, and future mental acuity brawling, when he can box, not get hit, and make millions that he will actually be able to enjoy with is children as they grow older? Like it or not Floyd is in the twilight of his career it's all about the money at this point, and he earned the right to be here.
As someone who has suffered shoulder injuries (dislocation and separation), an awkward landing like the one B-Hop suffered however benign it may initially appear can dislocate or at the very least dislodge the shoulder. The man is nearly 50, so a fall that one of us could easily withstand could do be more dangerous to him. Personally, I don't think Dawson's shove/tackle was that serious of a foul, but to rule the match a TKO is pretty embarrassing. Everyone here is saying that B-Hop looked bad in the fight, but I disagree the fight was slowly developing and both fighters were feeling each other out...I think that eventually Chad would have become frustrated at his inablilty to catch Hopkins and that Hopkins would have rolled to a decision victory. Hopefully, the powers that be will overturn this match and we can see a real fight between both of these skilled athletes. For now this is just another disappointment for boxing, as someone who was introduced to this sport by my Dad at a young age, and considers it one of my favorite sports to watch I am saddened and infuriated at the outcome.