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As usual another cherry pick. Haven't we seen this for the past 4 or 5 fights? Slow footed brawler A comes forward and pressures floyd, he uses his superior speed and athletism to get a decision. How can he call himself TBE rematching a guy with 4 losses, a guy that he just beat, and a guy that got schooled by Alexander and Kahn? Is this the kind of fight that TBE takes? Why can't TBE fight guys that match him in speed and athletism? How about fighting a young undefeated slick boxer for once? Thurman, Porter, or Brook maybe? Nope, TBE goes for another slow brawler. Anybody that think's this guy is TBE, to quote Roger Mayweather, don't know s*** about boxing.

It's a cherry pick when you have better viable options, in this case Mayweather didn't. I'm not really interested, it's an ugly way to end a great career really, rematching Maidana who would have imagined? You telling me that Maidana, a guy with 4 losses and a guy that Mayweather just beat, is a better fight than him fighting undefeated Thurman, Brook, Porter, or Andrade? All of these guy's are young, have speed, and can box. Floyd has a gauranteed deal so don't say it's about the money because he is getting paid regardless. Don't say he can't make the fight either because he is the cash cow of the sport, he can fight anybody that he wants.

Skill for skill he isnt the best fighter ever? You says its because of the talent pool right? If SRL, and SRR fought Floyd's opponents they may kill them dead right? Right. But would they be able to change their entire fighting style and domminate Floyd's opponents without getting hissed by a single shot? Skill for skill Floyd has DRASTICALLY separated himself from those fighters and side by side, they come across as sloppy bums with power. Thats why its hard for me to not catagorize ya dig? Like they have better resumes, and he's the best fighter of all time based on skills. And not ONCE did I mention his titles, weight classes, or undefeated record. Even if he fought to 200-0 record, his skillset would distract me from everything else. This is the most ignorant logic I have ever read on these boards. Go research great fighters of the past and learn something about the sport because you don't have a clue.

I just checked out the ESPN Super Middle weight rankings and they have Andre Ward #1 followed by Lucian Bute at #2. I don't think Ward deserves the number 1 spot, he is one hell of a fighter no doubt but Bute deserves it. They also have Abraham a bit too low. Arthur Abraham deserves more respect, especially if he manages to beat Andre Dirrell. Ward has a legit claim to be #1. If we are to believe that Kessler was the previous #1 smw in the world, Ward not only beat him, he won every round. Bute's best win is a rematch victory over Andrade, a guy that Kessler thoroughly dominated, and a guy that many thought KO'd Bute in the first bout.

Before the McCloskey fight I felt that Bradley would win a close decision, now I favor Bradley to cruise to a ud or a late stoppage. Bradley is from the Bhop/Ward school, he is a technician in there. He has no doubt pinpointed more flaws in Khans game from the McCloskey fight because I myself did so. I really cant see any way Khan can win this fight, and I agree with the post above, I would be surprised if Khans people put him in with Bradley, they have to know how bad of a style matchup it is for him. I predict the fight doesnt happen and Khan moves up to 147.

One of the guys he defeated, Jermain Taylor: Bhop, Bhop, Winky, Ouma, Spinks, Pavlik, Pavlik, Lacy, Froch, Abraham. Granted, he hasn't had the same success as Froch, which is why I myself am very impressed with Froch.

Great "athletes" do NOT make great "fighters" So you don't think that RJJ, Joe Calzaghe, Manny Paquiao, Ali, Ray Leonard, etc... are/were great athletes?

Great Athletes AND Fighters. Audley Harrison, GREAT ATHLETE Michael Grant GREAT ATHLETE Larry Olubamiwo GREAT ATHLETE Jeff Lacy GREAT ATHLETE Get it straight, it is a MENTALITY that very few have. You are born with it, you do not learn it. Those who have it, will find their platform Right, and some of the worlds greatest athletes find their platform in another sport besides boxing. Your argument would have people to believe that the only people capable of being great fighters actually become great fighters because they were "born with it" and instinctively went that route because they are fighters. How can you disregard great athletes in other sports with the temperment of fighters. Athletes like Ray Lewis who is very outspoken and displays a lot of heart on the field. How about Ronnie Lott, a guy who broke his finger while playing, and instead of coming out of the game, had the tip of it amputated so he could continue. How about a guy with the intensity of Mike Singletary? I am sure there are athletes in other sports, mainly soccer, that I don't follow that have the same temperment to become a fighter.

i respect your oppinion, and green k for backing it up, just know that PW fights NOTHING lik bhop Thanks. While PW fights nothing like BHop, we can still deduct from that fight what gives pavlik trouble, and thats movement. PW can look at that fight, and come up with a great game plan. If i were him, I would be very excited to get this fight signed.

I too believe this will be a mismatch in PW's favor. Pavlik was exposed with the BHop fight. Your anylisis mentions all of Pavliks advantages, but you fail to mention his disadvantages. Pavlik is stiff. He loses alot of his power and is much slower while fighting on the inside. He also has very slow feet, and gets lost when he is given angles and his opponent turns him. Pavlik has to be set to throw. This makes him very predictable and most of the time, he only throws a 1-2. I can see PW getting off 5 punch combos before Pavlik even throws one shot. He is not a one punch KO guy, and PW's chin is very solid. The key to the fight for me is speed. PW has the hand speed and movement speed by a mile. I hope Pavlik opens as the favorite, I will lay down some major cash on PW if that is the case.

It's possible. He's definitely faded since the DLH/Hatton/Cotto fights. The only one mentioned I would PICK to beat him is Floyd though. But again, I wouldn't be too surprised if he lost a close decision to Cotto for example. Bradley and Peterson beat him. Roach's fighters have no defense for a pressure fighter with defense that can fight on the inside. The only thing he can do is cover up, push, or hold. Marquez has Pac totally figured out, it would be a clear win this time. Cotto is tricky. If he made the correct strategy adjustments from the first fight he could win, but im not sure he would. Ok, if you watch floyds last fight, it was all in preparation for pac. Floyd tweeked his style to a more come forward style because he knew this would be the easiest way to beat pac. If he sat back and countered pac, you run the risk of losing on volume to pac.

Mosley show the blue prints on how to beat Pacquiao. The problems he exposed, people were talking about for years. I know that and you know that, but before Mosley, Pac had the "Tyson effect" going on for him. He had this aura of invincibility about him. Now after his last two fights, it isnt there anymore. He is rip for the picking, just watch ;)

Floyd - flat out beats him Marquez- beats him but will get robbed Bradley- would favor Manny but wouldn't be surprised if Bradleys pulls it off Peterson- gets stopped with no chance of an upset Cotto- gets UD'd and possibly stopped late in the fight Martinez- @ 154 Pacquiao gets stopped. @150 Pacquiao might win a UD Maidana- gets murdered Tim Bradley is an elite fighter. He was a good fighter but he has progressed into an elite fighter. Peterson is very underated. He has only lost to Bradley, who i hold in high regard. As a long time boxing fan, i can tell you that it is absolutely true that once a fighter becomes champ, he improves. I can see peterson giving Pac all he can handle.

It seems as though Manny has chosen Cotto as his next opponent, if this is true then he has picked the one name that, imo, he has the best chance to beat. Cotto is a great fighter but his style is very suited for Manny to look great with. Still, Cotto has a great chance to beat Pac if he makes adjustments.

Will the thread starter put his money in his prediction? If Manny steps up to fight Bradly, jmm, floyd, or peterson my money WILL be put on it, trust me.

Pac still beats Lamont Peterson down, bad. I don't care what anyone says. Yes, Lamont fought hard against Khan, but he didn't win. I am sorry, and this is coming from someone that usually trashes Amir Khan all the time. Someone needs to show me where Lamont won any more than 3-4 rounds in that fight. I had the fight 8 rounds to 4, in favor of Khan. So, with all the BS judging, I still had Khan winning 114-111. Without the BS judging, 116-111 or 116-112 (if you don't count the "knock down" of Lmaont. I hear a lot of complaints about the ref for Khan/peterson, but watch the fight and tell me what would have happened to Khan if he didnt push/hold lamonts head down on the inside? He has no inside game, defense or offense, so he did the only thing he could do to keep lamont from going to town on him on the inside, use illegal tactics. Im a skeptic of pacs inside game also. Against margo he backed straight up against the ropes and was there for the taking but margo is slow and has no defense so pac just unloaded and moved. Can he do that against bradley or peterson? I dont think he can. I would love to see the fight, it would be very interesting.

Great read. My favorite quote: "Everybody is beatable on any given night. On any given night you are beatable. And I tell my fighters, ‘Don’t train to win. It’s easy to win. ****, it’s easy to win. You train so YOU WON’T LOSE. When you train not to lose you do EVEN MORE." It's interesting that she mentions that her brothers were 6'7 and chiseled. Can't imagine how destructive 6'7 male versions of Anne Wolfe could be, lol.

Bradley will beat Pac, why do you think they are so hesitant to sign the fight? The question you need to be asking is what can Pac do that poses a problem for Bradley. Pac has an awesome left hand, but believe me, Bradley will take that away. After that, whats left for him? It will be a clear win for Bradley.

He has a PUNCHERS CHANCE and Maybe A Prayer that Mayweather get injured during the fight or he gets Old Overnight and starts to show his AGE The problem with preparing for Mayweather, you really don't know what he will do or how he will even fight Canelo. We are all assuming that he will fight exactly like he fought against Guerrero and that is not even a Guarantee. Floyd could come out and surprise a lot of people including Canelo and do something Canelo wasn't prepared for and expose all of Canelo's weaknesses and show that he is not as "POWERFUL" as people think It is no doubt in my Mind that Mayweather can still outbox Canelo INSIDE IN THE POCKET and still make him miss and still roll and counter all of his punches because Canelo is not that fast or quick I think the size can be a disadvantage for Canelo actually because he is not a good fighter inside, how is he going to "BULLY MAYWEATHER INSIDE" when he is not a good Inside Fighter nor is Canelo a "PRESSURE FIGHTER" also he lacks HEAD MOVEMENT I think Mayweather will be able to land what ever punch he wants against Canelo and while everybody is talking about Canelo's "Body Punches"...Watch out for Mayweather's Body Punches, that Quick Jab to the Stomach is what made Oscar De La Hoya put away his Jab and it is a Very Underrated Punch from Mayweather. Canelo stamina is not that Greet if he can't hurt Mayweather early or fight a way to land clean punches on his Early it is going to get ugly and turn into a Clinic VERY QUICK People are just expecting Canelo to walk though Mayweather Punches, Apply Pressure and Land With His Power...it is not going to be that easy Who Canelo fought, beat or knocked down in previous fights don't even matter because none of them have the talent or the skills as Mayweather...NOT EVEN CLOSE! As for Mayweather he has seen fighters just as big if not BIGGER then Canelo who had MORE POWER, MORE SPEED and MORE SKILLS Who has Floyd fought that comes to the ring 170 + lbs, that has skill, youth, and power? Canelo is not slow, ask Austin Trout that. Also how can you say he doesn't have head movement after the Trout fight? Floyd has the speed advantage but its not as wide as many think, this ain't slow Carlos Baldimer or a blown up slow Cotto, Canelo throws fast hard combinations. Floyd has the foot speed advantage and he better use it and keep moving and not get caught on the ropes or else he will get hurt, mark my words.

What people don't seem to understand is that Trout is a huge 54 pounder, he is about 5'10 and came into the ring weighing more than Canelo. Canelo fights small fighters like Floyd different than he fights bigger guys like Trout. He will not wait and try to outbox Floyd, he will bully him like he did Lopez. Tell me this, how is Floyd going to keep Canelo off of him? The only chance he has is to use a lot of movement because if he sits in the pocket and tries to use his defense against Canelo, that won't work. Floyd doesn't hit hard enough to keep Canelo off of him in the pocket. He may land 1 or 2 shots, but thats not going to stop Canelo from landing his heavy blows.

I say it is close between RJJ and Tyson, with me giving the edge slightly to tyson. People forget that Tyson was well under 6 ft tall fighting uphill against true heavy wghts but his incredible physical abilities (strength/speed/reflexes) allowed him to knock them (most of them) out with ease.

I agree with you that Skill > Power, and there is no doubt Hopkins x2 and then Winky is an incredible string of opposition, but think about this for a second... First, alot of people (including me) see Taylor as 0-3 in those fights. Others see it as 0-2-1, and a few see it as 0-1-2. Add all those up and you have close to a majority who feels Taylor did not win any of those fights. I would say a majority definitely didn't see him winning more than one (the Hopkins rematch) of the three fights. Second, people are all about praising Taylor for choosing this list of opposition. He didn't. He was given the first Hopkins fight, an offer from Golden Boy and Hopkins that he HAD to take because he wasn't going to get another chance to take the lineal middleweight championship. Yes, some credit is deserved for taking the challenge of a legend while still developing, but after the Eastman fight, alot of people thought Hopkins was ripe for the picking (particularly for Taylor's strong, aggressive style). Taylor was the HOT prospect in boxing, he just demolished Edouard on that Hopkins-Eastman undercard and he looked very strong. We all know HBO didn't like Hopkins and they LOVED (and still do, though not as much seemingly) Taylor. DiBella knows his stuff, and he surely advised Taylor that taking the fight and just being busy enough and throwing "showier" puches (thanks, Lamps) would be enough to get the nod from the judges and of course the unabashed favoritism from the announcers. They (DiBella, Taylor and HBO) knew Hopkins wouldn't knock him out and they THOUGHT (wrongly) that he couldn't hurt Taylor. It was a risk they had to take. The rematch was enforced due to the clause in the contract. It was a better performance from Taylor, and less controversial, but many still had Hopkins winning the fight or a draw. The Winky fight was also forced on Taylor by the WBC. After the controversies with Hopkins, the last thing Taylor could do is duck Winky. He needed credibility. Again, credit to him for doing it, some 'champions' don't do this kind of thing, they just talk out both sides of their mouth. They have promoters like Don King who buy undeserving mandatories so his fighters don't ever HAVE to take these tough fights. More credit to DiBella for not doing this. (As an aside, I am not the biggest DiBella fan, but he seems more willing to put his guys in with other promoters' top guys without having the audacity to ask for options or other 'perks'. Think about how easily the Quartey-Forrest, Ouma-Powell, Winky-Quartey and Cotto-Malignaggi and even Green-Codrington fights were made.) The Winky fight was another example of Team Taylor feeling all they needed to do was throw punches and look busier and bust up Winky's high guard. After all, here was another smaller fighter, and Taylor was used to fighting small guys; he could bully him around and win on pure strength. Well, that almost worked, and throwing hard punches at Winky's guard looked good at times because even though they weren't landing, they were moving the smaller Winky. "Showier" again. It looked better than the Hopkins fights because Winky was ducking and dodging like Hopkins did, he just withstood the blows by actually using his arms to block them. But judges see what they want and they gave Taylor every benefit of the doubt, just enough to get a draw. How can you look at the way the two fighters reacted to this decision and not know that Winky knew he won and Taylor knew he was lucky to get the draw. He was LIFTED UP IN CELEBRATION for crying out loud. Has that ever happened after a draw before?!?! So, Taylor will always have his doubters. I am one, I freely admit, but until he makes me say 'wow', like I expected him to vs. Ouma, I won't be swayed. Ouma was an acceptable fight, and Mora, for the exposure, is also acceptable, but after this, he better be thinking along the lines of Calzaghe/Winky II/Miranda/Abraham for opponents because otherwise he will be trying to hide behind his 2 'wins' against Hopkins and his draw against Wright. And that's another thing, people act like Taylor won that fight, because he got the favorable decision, but don't forget the favorable decision for Taylor that night was a draw. There are very, very few people who think he beat Winky that night. And please, no one mention the 12th round, Winky didn't run, he moved forward for all but the last 15 seconds or so, and then lunged in with a nice straight left hand with a few seconds left. Whew, well I got a little long-winded but I hope you can see my point. I am not one of those guys who just says 'Taylor is garbage, a paper champion'. If I just disliked Taylor, I would do that, but I want him to show me that he can get a big, uncontroversial, impressive win. It hasn't happened yet, but he's still young, and he has a list of big names against whom he could shine if he ever put it all together in the ring. I want to see him try. You make good points, but regardless if people think JT is 0-3 in those fights, he isnt, and you cant objectively say that any of those fights could go decisively to either fighter. Even if you think JT lost his fights with Bhop you still have to give him credit for making it that close, especially after Bhop moved up and humiliated Tarver. I cant see any fighter today winning decisively over Bhop, hell I dont know if any fighter from the past could win decisively over Bhop. The same with Winky, JT gave winky the toughest fight I have seen him have since he was a youngster. JT's potential is limitless imo, it just comes down to if he is willing to develope his awesome raw athletic ability into something special.

Speaking as an American, I have to say that I have become a Froch fan, I mean, how can you not like this guy? If Froch had HBO backing him and showing his fights, he would be very popular over here. I would even go as far as to say that he could reach Mayweather/Pacman superstar status, assuming of course that he gets a few more marquee wins under his belt.