All of the opponents mentioned for his next fight beat him. Over pacmans last 2 fights, he has been exposed. As Nazim said after the Mosley fight, the blue print has been provided on how to beat this version of pac. The only fighter i give him a shot at beating is Cotto.
This is the very reason why Floyd wants the fight right away, he wants to get this big win for his legacy. He wants to be the first to beat the welterweight pac. This is also the very reason Arum doesnt want the fight to happen. Arum wants Pac to lose to a top rank fighter. So basically, this is all about Arum vs Floyd to be honest, its not even a question about who would win the fight, its about if Arum will lose to Floyd by letting him capture the big win over the once thought to be unstoppable Pacman.
like I believed JMM would fight conservatively in their 3rd bout... Cottos gonna do the same thing. Pacs in a world of ****.
Yea because Cotto, is as skilled, as smart, and as discipline as JMM.
This is what makes Pac-Cotto II crap. Is that Pac went for the least riskiest fight next to Peterson.
I really believe even Cotto beats him this time. Move and jab, add some power occasionally and Pacman throws 30 punches a round.
I can definitely see this happening. I still got to favor Pac, but Cotto is not the same fighter he was in the first fight. To many people try to discredit fighters just to try and justify thier obsession with their favorite fighter that they feel the need to always defend. Cotto is still a top fighter and always has been elite. I think Cotto would have just a good a shot at stopping Pac in the late rounds. Not saying i want this for Manny's next fight, but for anyone to use the pathetic stupid "damaged goods" argument is just a hater, a wannabe counselor, and a dumbass.
Will the thread starter put his money in his prediction?
If Manny steps up to fight Bradly, jmm, floyd, or peterson my money WILL be put on it, trust me.
All of the opponents mentioned for his next fight beat him. Over pacmans last 2 fights, he has been exposed. As Nazim said after the Mosley fight, the blue print has been provided on how to beat this version of pac. The only fighter i give him a shot at beating is Cotto.
This is the very reason why Floyd wants the fight right away, he wants to get this big win for his legacy. He wants to be the first to beat the welterweight pac. This is also the very reason Arum doesnt want the fight to happen. Arum wants Pac to lose to a top rank fighter. So basically, this is all about Arum vs Floyd to be honest, its not even a question about who would win the fight, its about if Arum will lose to Floyd by letting him capture the big win over the once thought to be unstoppable Pacman.
blue print to beat Pacman was invented by JMM and executed perfectly by Morales. Nasim richardson did nothing.
Yeah I was watching a bit of cotto vs pac again yesterday, and i forgot how sharp he was in that fight. Its a shame the Floyd vs pac fight didn't happen after that win because I feel pac was at his peak during that time.
People are acting as if Pacquiao has slipped so drastically, it's crazy. No, Manny is NOT in his prime anymore, neither is Floyd.
I'd say the last fight where I would consider Manny prime was Cotto in 09'. The last fight where I would have considered Floyd prime was Hatton in 07'.
Both are past their primes-still good, still the top fighters in the world. Sort of like how Leonard and Hagler were in 87'. Hagler was not in his absolute prime, but he was still good. And Ray was coming off layoffs and was not in his prime, but he was still good. Both were top fighters in the world, along with a few others at the time.
Mayweather-Pacquiao is STILL the fight, and it's still monumental for both of their legacies. Pacquiao needs to step up and accept May 5th, but it sounds like he won't.
Yeah I was watching a bit of cotto vs pac again yesterday, and i forgot how sharp he was in that fight. Its a shame the Floyd vs pac fight didn't happen after that win because I feel pac was at his peak during that time.
That was the same Pacquiao that fought Marquez in the 3rd fight, Marquez just has the experience of being in with Pacquiao, Cotto didn't. Pacquiao had the element of surprise. Watch how he times Cotto and Marquez with his straight lefts and right hooks, the same. He also hasn't lost any explosiveness in his legs.
It seems as though Manny has chosen Cotto as his next opponent, if this is true then he has picked the one name that, imo, he has the best chance to beat. Cotto is a great fighter but his style is very suited for Manny to look great with. Still, Cotto has a great chance to beat Pac if he makes adjustments.
Marquez showed the blueprint and never discussed it.Brother Naseem discussed this in public on 24/7 but I agree with you,Pacquiao will be shown as a bum if he fights Mayweather
Nothing would please me more than seeing Mayweather take Pacquiao out, but to call Pacquiao a "bum", "hypejob", or any derogatory is a HUGE stretch.
If Pacquiao were a bum, he wouldn't have taken out De la Hoya, Hatton, and Cotto by KO/TKO back-to-back-to-back in UNDER a year.
And to the threadstarter, I'm sure Naazim KNOWS how to fight Pacquiao and has the plan to beat him, it's just Mosley, for one reason or another, couldn't execute it (perhaps age, Pacquiao's punching power, speed, had something to do with it?).
We'll see how many boxing fans are left if Pacquiao loses. I've said it before and I'll say it again. It doesn't matter when Floyd fights Pacquiao now, people will already have the excuse lined up that Floyd waited for Pacquiao to get old, etc, etc.
A big consideration in that fight has never really been accepted. That is the way that marque was deliberately seeking out MannyP's foot and stepping on ihis foot hard and often. If you review the tape you;ll see that many of Marquez' best combinations were thrown when Pacquioa was trapped in place, off balance and flailing away in self defence. In the 12th rd, Marquez notonly stepped all over MannyP's foot, but followed it forwards for at least 2 full steps as Pacquiao moved backwards,keeping his foot down hard all the time.
This should NOT be overlooked, and I fault The Roach for dismissing it, and not bringing ti to the ref's attention. Without this, the fight would have both looked and been scored quite differently.
I meant to say ''Didn't show'', but I disagree with the principle of your post so I will address it.
Pacquiao won the fight but he struggled to get his offense off. If he was against an opponent who could pull the trigger the score cards would have been more balanced. His fight with Marquez vindicates that point.
A big consideration in that fight has never really been accepted. That is the way that marque was deliberately seeking out MannyP's foot and stepping on ihis foot hard and often. If you review the tape you;ll see that many of Marquez' best combinations were thrown when Pacquioa was trapped in place, off balance and flailing away in self defence. In the 12th rd, Marquez notonly stepped all over MannyP's foot, but followed it forwards for at least 2 full steps as Pacquiao moved backwards,keeping his foot down hard all the time.
This should NOT be overlooked, and I fault The Roach for dismissing it, and not bringing ti to the ref's attention. Without this, the fight would have both looked and been scored quite differently.
Mosley show the blue prints on how to beat Pacquiao. The problems he exposed, people were talking about for years.
Running for 12 rounds is the blue print in beating him you must be retarded no judge will give a boxer the fight for running for 12 rounds agnist Pacquiao. The only thing Mosley accomplished was a blue print in how to survive to round 12. Try learning about the sport before you post.
Tim Bradley is an elite fighter. He was a good fighter but he has progressed into an elite fighter. Peterson is very underated. He has only lost to Bradley, who i hold in high regard. As a long time boxing fan, i can tell you that it is absolutely true that once a fighter becomes champ, he improves. I can see peterson giving Pac all he can handle.
As a long time boxing fan, I can tell you that's a pretty stupid statement.
And, Peterson would be easy work for Pac. Floyd beats him, JMM like always has a shot, and maybe Bradley. That's all the opponents that are fighting right now from 154 on down that can beat Pac.
*Didn't mention Martinez cuz' he's at 160 but of course he stops Pac.
floyd vs manny was first mentioned after manny beat oscar then after he knocked out hatton the clamour for it grew then manny beat cottoand thats when they started negotiating.if the fight had happened then,manny was on the crest of a wave.but its more than two years since then and for me in his last 4 fights (clottey,margarito,mosley,marquez) manny has looked nothing like he did in those 3 previous fights.if they eventually fight later this year,for me thats 3 years since it should of happened.i expect floyd to win a clear ud if not by stoppage.its such a shame this never happened in 2009.back then everyone around the world wanted to see the fight now people have grown tired of it.
Yeah I was watching a bit of cotto vs pac again yesterday, and i forgot how sharp he was in that fight. Its a shame the Floyd vs pac fight didn't happen after that win because I feel pac was at his peak during that time.
Pac will always have a close fight with jmm. Bradley will probably give pac a competitive fight, but i still see pac beating bradley. Cotto losses again to pac. Floyd vs pac is still a tough fight for me to call, but I think pac can pull off the win.
floyd vs manny was first mentioned after manny beat oscar then after he knocked out hatton the clamour for it grew then manny beat cottoand thats when they started negotiating.if the fight had happened then,manny was on the crest of a wave.but its more than two years since then and for me in his last 4 fights (clottey,margarito,mosley,marquez) manny has looked nothing like he did in those 3 previous fights.if they eventually fight later this year,for me thats 3 years since it should of happened.i expect floyd to win a clear ud if not by stoppage.its such a shame this never happened in 2009.back then everyone around the world wanted to see the fight now people have grown tired of it.
Pac still beats Lamont Peterson down, bad. I don't care what anyone says. Yes, Lamont fought hard against Khan, but he didn't win. I am sorry, and this is coming from someone that usually trashes Amir Khan all the time. Someone needs to show me where Lamont won any more than 3-4 rounds in that fight. I had the fight 8 rounds to 4, in favor of Khan. So, with all the BS judging, I still had Khan winning 114-111. Without the BS judging, 116-111 or 116-112 (if you don't count the "knock down" of Lmaont.
I hear a lot of complaints about the ref for Khan/peterson, but watch the fight and tell me what would have happened to Khan if he didnt push/hold lamonts head down on the inside? He has no inside game, defense or offense, so he did the only thing he could do to keep lamont from going to town on him on the inside, use illegal tactics. Im a skeptic of pacs inside game also. Against margo he backed straight up against the ropes and was there for the taking but margo is slow and has no defense so pac just unloaded and moved. Can he do that against bradley or peterson? I dont think he can. I would love to see the fight, it would be very interesting.
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