There is no doubt that Floyd is more versatile and if he needs to use his legs, he will. But in his early years, he not only used the shoulder roll but was swifter on his feet. In his early years, instead of just standing there and blocking the punches and doing the shoulder roll, he completely avoided all punches with reflexes. The only reason why i say this is because i think its easier for him to get caught with that one punch that could really hurt him. Look at the Mosley fight and him getting caught fighting Judah. And yeah, yeah i know he dominated after that but he never got caught like that when he used his legs in his early years. Thats my main point.
1) he's not as swift on his legs now because he's grown into a man. people speed goes down with age
2) isn't it actually better that he uses the shoulder roll guard now over relying heavily on reflexes? reflexes tend to dull with age
3) Floyd is much more economical now due to how shoulder roll happy he is
4) I think Shane was going to catch Floyd with that big looping right even if it was younger and faster Floyd. Shane set it up nice with that jab feint, and Floyd didn't see it. Your speed and reflexes help you get out of the way if you see it. Floyd didn't see that one and was hurt by it.
What you said was right but i still think he relies too much on the shoulder roll and I would like to see him use more lateral movement. You're right about him being more economical and that definitely is a big reason his stamina is so high.
well, it might not be groundbreaking news but its something that he hasn't fixed yet and he might want to do it. Also, this isn't just some small flaw. Its not like leaving your lead hand down low or keeping your chin down. Those are things that can be fixed right away but this can't because i don't think Floyd sees it as a flaw. Its his style now to stand there and twist and turn. The fact is, he is a flatfooted boxer and he thinks his supreme defense of doing the shoulder roll is enough.
"Nothing" is a bit harsh...but he does need another fight against an A fighter to prove he is back to being elite.
Rios and Margs are different fighters. Its convenient for some people to say they are the same but Margs used his jab more, had better footwork and mixed up his punches differently than Rios does.
When i said they are the same i meant they are both bangers and i did say Margarito is more skillful and that makes it worse because Margarito's boxing skills aren't that great to begin with.
I think the main reason why some don't like Manny is because he had that fake good guy image. The fact that his fans bought that **** made it worse and someone who is fake like that also brings out casual fake boxing fans who don't know what the hell they are talking about. These fake fans only know who Manny is and are oblivious to anything else. Manny is still great and will go down as one of the greatest but again, its that fake good guy image and fake casual fans he brings out are the two main reasons why i think he is dislike by some.
I'm a Mayweather fan but i agree with some that he could lose. He's been off for so long and he's not getting any younger, so yeah he could lose. Ortiz is a very good fighter with good size and pressure and thats they way to beat a boxer like Mayweather. I mean, i don't think Ortiz will win but it could happen.
Because its a 154 title fight not 150 title fight. Seriously, those that defend catchweight title fights are complete morons. Weight classes exist for a reason. If you win a title and not defend it then you're not a real ****ing champ, especially if you won that title when you didn't even fight a real light MW. YOu must be the dumbest person alive. That fight wa a farce and you completely keep ignoring that fact.
D4thincarnation
thanks for the article but i said Martinez hasn't said anything about welterweight, not his team. Martinez has repeatedly said he can't go below 150 so again, this 147 talk is crazy. I mean, seriously man, how the hell can he be a natural welterweight if he hasn't weighed 147 in 10 years. Martinez's trainer is retarded for making that statement because I don't think its even possible for Martinez to safely cut that much weight, especially since its been 10 years and he's 36. Most of that weight would be muscle mass. Hey man, Martinez is an idiot for even thinking about fighting Pac but Pac is an idiot also if he thinks Martinez can get down to 147.
JSS
I know the history very well but in this situation it doesn't matter. Before, it was always a negotiation between Mayweather and Arum, with Arum representing the fighter. Now its a negotiation between Mayweather and Manny. I think you're the one that is naive if you think Arum is the main guy behind Manny. Arum barely has any contact with Manny. The only way for Arum to even get in contact with Manny is through Koncz.
No one is saying Khan sucks but it is a fact that he has some serious flaws that elite fighters don't have. In my post, i said he is a very talented boxer and could be great but you have to be blind if you don't see his big flaws and they are big. And I'm not saying Maidana totally sucks. He was the champ and he's a strong fighter but a lot of the punches he threw could have easily been avoided by a top elite fighter. Maidana isn't known for his combos but he landed some serious combos against Khan and the uppercuts he was landing was slow and predictable. There were times Khan just stood there and took those uppercuts so yes, his defense is horrible and until he fixes it, anyone with a strong punch can win against him.
Sergio and Chavez aren't on the same level and anyone who says they are is an idiot. How the hell are you on the same level with a fighter that just dominated you.
No one can deny that Pac will go out as one of the greatest ever but the Manny that fought JMM the 4th time looked like the same old Manny. The only difference is, and he said this before the fight, he was going to be more aggressive and try harder for the knockout. This is an important statement because what some of you idiots don't realize is by trying harder to knockout JMM, he raised the risk that he would leave himself open and get knocked out and that's exactly what happened. Again this takes nothing away from Pac's greatness but he rolled the dice and he got knocked out. Another fact that destroys the myth that Pac was looking way better is the fact that he was still getting hit by JMM's right counter. The last fact that debunks all this BS talk is the fact that JMM was noticeably slower. So basically Pac's plan was to be more aggressive and go for the knockout but of course doing that would leave himself open for a monster right hand counter. JMM's plan was to trade the little speed he had and bulk up for the knockout power, something he said more than once before the fight. JMM's plan worked.
To say JCC will not improve from fighting a top 3 guy is pure stupid. You have no idea what burns inside another man and to claim you do is arrogant and pompous. Martinez is 38 and has reached his ceiling, JCC can adapt and learn from a loss and it is far from out of the question that he could make adjustments and win or make a rematch much closer.
He isn't completely wrong when he made that comment because other than the fact that Martinez is just more naturally skilled, Chavez training at home and skipping sessions proves that he just doesn't take this boxing seriously. Chavez was the champ so he should know how to cut off a ring and know what a jab is.
WADA is a joke and the people that don't know this are idiots. It wasn't long ago that Conte explained exactly why WADA is a joke. They use their own people to test and that's why its a joke. Seriously, why wouldn't you want it administered by Tygart, someone who is considered they legal authority when it comes to anti-dope testing.
Again, when the WADA does the test, its performed by the people in that country only. Look up the interview by Conte explaining exactly how WADA does the test and you're laugh.
The honest truth is Bradley shouldn't be saying much because he obviously avoided a fight with Khan. That being said, i don't think Bradley is scared of Khan. The only reason he avoided Khan is because he wants an immediate payday by fighting Manny or Mayweather and that isn't happening. And i know a lot of guys here don't like Khan because you guys think he's arrogant but he's good for boxing. He didn't have to go to DC and take on Peterson, who is a very good fighter, but he manned up and did it. The only thing Khan needs to do now is find a new trainer because Roach is messing him up. Khan has great speed, good power and good talent but he still has some damn amateur tendencies that Roach has fixed yet so he needs to move on. I think i am starting to agree with some here on the issue about how Roach is overrated as a trainer.
Sorry man but you're a complete idiot. You're defending a fight in which Manny fought Margarito at a catchweight of 150. On fight night Margarito weighed 165, 17 pounds heavier than Manny, which is the whole point of how you think Manny will be outweighed by to much. Its virtually the same thing if he decided to fight Sergio Martinez and you keep ignoring that. And you keep ignoring the fact that he fought Margarito, someone who tried to cheat, got knocked out, susspended and that's ok with. I mean, you're giving Manny a pass on that? You're just as pathetic as the fans that claim Mayweather isn't scared and just wants Manny to take a test. No matter how pathetic the opponents are, you're still defend your favorite fighter.
the fight was boring to certain fans and the only one to blame is Manny. if you are a casual fan then you got suckered into all the Roach and Manny hype and if you are a die hard Pac fan and disappointed then you really need to blame Manny but won't becuz he's immune to having any kind of faults, especially lying when he lies. Even fighters that favored Manny are disappointed with his lack of aggression.
he had a harder time with Cotto. my brother is a Floyd hater and he thought the other guy won. I asked my bro who, he said he said somebody named Maidana won. i asked him why he thought that and he said Floyd just ran and the other guy pounded him. I told him about the punch stat and he said the punch stat was wrong. I love my bro but he's a hater and a boxing idiot.
SirChaelSonnen
In the beginning Floyd was holding because he's allowed to do that. He held in the beginning to get a feel and when he did in the middle of the rounds he didn't hold anymore because Hatton started to hold. Floyd actually allowed Hatton to come in and he started to get countered like all Floyd opponents and he started to hold.
Manny and Arum did not say the same thing. Arum barely even talks to Manny while Konz is his personal advisor and is with him all the time.
The thing that some of you Manny fans don't know is that Manny and company thinks random testing is truly random even if it has a cuttoff date. If anyone can find an article that quotes Manny or Konz agreeing to random without a cuttoff date then great but like i said before, Manny has always said he is fine with random olympic style testing but he wants a cuttoff date.
OH you didn't get it.
Marquez counter punches in combination > Floyd counter punches with one shot. Marquez counter punches in combination against Pac because he is not afraid to be hit. Floyd counter punches with one shot because he is not willing to take the risk of being hit in return while in exchange. Imagine Pac throws 8-10 punches combination on Floyd while on the rope. Floyd in turtle shell mode probably too afraid to open up to throw his one punch counter. LMAO.
no i get it, what i said was right. Floyd has the best counter punching abilities and this was confirmed by Marquez himself.
There's a huge difference between this situation and the Pac and Mayweather situation. The difference is JMM says he will willingly take any test to shut up everyone.
I haven't heard Martinez say anything about 147. He has repeatedly said he can't go below 150 and so this 147 talk is insane. Martinez knows or should know Pac can't get to 154 and Pac knows Martinez can't get to 147. Seriously, this talk about them fighting is retarded.
What Oscar says isn't an insult, its just the truth. Rarely do boxers that get knocked out cold for over a minute come back strong. And it has nothing to do with Manny being a wuss or anything like that. It has more to do with his damn brain bouncing against his skull.
Sorry but that's a little wrong because there's no defending Manny here. Personally i think SErgio would get whopp Manny's ass because of skill but he is too big. However, Manny made his ass look like a hypocrite by going to 154 to fight for a phony title and then he abandoned the title because he didn't want to defend it. Don't add 5 extra pounds Sergio weighed 170. That is alot but that he's heaviest and he said he did that up purpose and he last fight before that he weighed 167, only 2 pounds heavier than Margarito at 165.
Again, Sergio is too big but please stop pretending Manny isn't a damn hypocrite because he is.
I agree with Wess. If Pac is serious about testing and willing to do it then just draft a contract and ship it to Mayweather and Mayweather should do the same. That's the only way to know who is BSing. Everyone can talk and say they will do this and that but until they actual act, its all BS. Put it in writing to force the other guy to either bitccchc out or fight.