Floyd and JMM not the same

The biggest difference between Floyd and Marquez in regards to their counter punching skills is the fact that JMM counters with combinations while Floyd counters with one or two punches. People are acting like this gives JMM an advantage over Floyd but it doesn't. JMM's willingness to counter with combinations leaves himself open for attacks. Whenever he would open up against Pac he would get caught with punches. Floyd lands his punches then immediately goes back into his defensive stance, this makes it harder to hit Floyd cleanly. Marquez takes risk which is why he ends up on his a$$ nearly every time he faces a decent puncher. Floyd would never get dropped by a guy like Katsidis. The differences between Floyd and JMM are what's going to make Floyd a much more difficult fight for Pacquiao than JMM was. Floyd is bigger, quicker, better defensively, and takes a better punch than JMM. His unwillingness to trade also makes it more difficult for his opponent to find openings.

imo, Marquez counters beautifully while Floyd counters defensively. I say it because most of the time Floyd punches/counters and then move out of the way/reach of the opponent or blocks. Marquez stays in range after punching/countering so that he can counter again and that's beautiful for me.

Casamayor is known as a boxer but JMM handled that well. In the Diaz I fight, JMM realized that he could land the uppercut and started to throw them more as the fight progressed. He also knows how to feint better than almost any other boxer out there. He lands certain punches and then feints those punches to land other punches that he couldn't land before. Come on, you know Casa was over the hill and the fight was pretty even before he hurt Casa and finished him.

LOL they both got hit in that exchange and Floyd got the best of it because he was leaning back from that right hand but Marquez ran into his left hook. Regardless of who won the John fight, where did he display his adaptability in that fight? How about the Barrera fight? A fight that many people think Barrera should have won. The point is when he fights boxers, his boxing skills don't look so good, he looks pedestrian. He only looks great against brawlers. We have seen Floyd outbox other boxers. Casamayor is known as a boxer but JMM handled that well. In the Diaz I fight, JMM realized that he could land the uppercut and started to throw them more as the fight progressed. He also knows how to feint better than almost any other boxer out there. He lands certain punches and then feints those punches to land other punches that he couldn't land before.

The only thing that Marquez has that Floyd doesn't, is 24 rounds of experience with Pac. Floyd won't shut Pac down 12-0 cuz it'll take him a couple rounds to adapt to Pac. If Pac hasn't done anything significant before the 6th round, then it's a fore-gone conclusion. Pac won't be able to overwhelm Floyd with his speed like he does everyone else, that's his biggest advantage. This is Floyd's fight to lose. Pactards won't even be able to use the CompuBox as a justification cuz Pac's numbers will be abysmal.

FLOYD PUNCHs MARQUEZ, MARQUEZ COUNTERS FLOYD. Big man, little man. On counter puncing alone, Marquez wins hands down. Counter punching, combination punching/counter punching, Marquez all day every day. http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0909/mayweather.marquez/images/floyd-Mayweather.jb5.jpg LOL they both got hit in that exchange and Floyd got the best of it because he was leaning back from that right hand but Marquez ran into his left hook. Thought he beat John... Norwood was his first title shot, career wise he was young. he lacked aggression and didn't get the decision. He started changing his style after that fight. basing his whole adaptive skills on one fight .. out of 60 is plain silly. Regardless of who won the John fight, where did he display his adaptability in that fight? How about the Barrera fight? A fight that many people think Barrera should have won. The point is when he fights boxers, his boxing skills don't look so good, he looks pedestrian. He only looks great against brawlers. We have seen Floyd outbox other boxers.

How did he adapt against John and Norwood? Thought he beat John... Norwood was his first title shot, career wise he was young. he lacked aggression and didn't get the decision. He started changing his style after that fight. basing his whole adaptive skills on one fight .. out of 60 is plain silly.

FLOYD PUNCHs MARQUEZ, MARQUEZ COUNTERS FLOYD. Big man, little man. On counter puncing alone, Marquez wins hands down. Counter punching, combination punching/counter punching, Marquez all day every day. http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0909/mayweather.marquez/images/floyd-Mayweather.jb5.jpg

possibly true. . . but marquez does things DIFFERENTLY than floyd, which in turn, makes it "better" when fighting a style like pacquiao. . . it is just plain ignorance to assume mayweather dominates manny because he dominated marquez, and marquez fights on an even keel with manny. He thinks differently but he's a counter puncher. Floyd is a different type of counter puncher but he's still a counter puncher and a better one. People keep saying "styles make fights and JMM and Floyd have two different styles" well there's a difference between big categories of style (brawler, puncher, boxer, etc) and nuances within these styles. If you lose or win a close fight against one fighter from the counter puncher category, chances are you will lose to another fighter from that same category but who has the speed, size, height and reach advantage, regardless of how differently he uses counter punching.

Just read an article about Roach saying that the two are completely different even though both are counter punchers and that they could exploit some flaws Floyd has. I know I might get bashed from Floyd fans and i am a Floyd fan and think he has the edge on Manny but i think what Roach says is true. Their counter punching style is completely different and JMM takes some risks that Floyd would never take. The big flaw I see in Floyd is he doesn't use his legs to move anymore. He is content with blocking the punches and twisting and turning and it works. His opponent's connect rate is low but i think it puts him in a situation where he gets hit with that one big punch that can knock him out. If you fight a guy like Manny, you cannot just stay there and twist and turn and thats what Floyd does. Have ever pay any close attention to how his opponents are moving? For instance, when Floyd fought Marquez, he was constantly side-stepping and pivoted around because that's exactly how Marquez move, and he adapted to his movement. Whereas, when he fought both Mosley and Ortiz, those two didn't shown any side-steps pivot movements, and they moved forward in a straight line constantly.

The only thing Mayweather counters is AIR! To counter someone means your punch landed, Floyds didn't. Floyd is not on the counter punching level Marquez is. The point is he attacked right before Marquez got his offense going so people saying he always waits until his opponent is done are clearly wrong. Marquez is a better counter puncher than Floyd? Can Marquez counter while being the aggressor? I disagree, I think JMM is a superior adapter. we clearly see him adapt in fights like... Pacquiao I, Diaz I, Katsidis etc How did he adapt against John and Norwood?

call me crazy but i do believe Floyds the best adapter in the sport I disagree, I think JMM is a superior adapter. we clearly see him adapt in fights like... Pacquiao I, Diaz I, Katsidis etc

;11536084']How tough Roach thinks the Mayweather fight would be if it happens: "Very difficult fight. He is a good counter-puncher and his style does give us trouble. He does have some Marquez similarities but he's actually a lot faster than Marquez so he does pose a bigger problem. http://deadspin.com/5866464/manny-pacquiaos-trainer-thinks-hed-retire-after-a-mayweather-fight well, Floyd is LITERALLY a bigger fighter than marquez, so not only is he accepted to be faster than marquez, but bigger, so logically he's a BIGGER problem. problems are there to be dealt with, and Manny's the dude to resolve such a problem.

Counters Marquez before Marquez gets his offense going : http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx229/dcrjmed2014/33or439jpg.gif The only thing Mayweather counters is AIR! To counter someone means your punch landed, Floyds didn't. Floyd is not on the counter punching level Marquez is.

but !!!! and this is a big but mayweather only threw 1 punch !!!!! while a true perfectionist like marquez wouldve countered with 3-4 punches in return !!!!! and aside for the 1 punch at the begining of marquez flurry mayfeathers DIDNT throw another punch instead he waited for marquez to finish before he started his offense !!!!!!!!!!!! oh and one more thing ....... um never mind !!! i was going to mention how marquez was basically out of shape and fat going into that fight but i changed my mind and i wont bring it up !!!!!!!!! And Marquez would have missed with half his shots and would have been hit in return. And don't try to change the subect, Chump...I mean Chups said Floyd always waits until his opponent's attack is finished before he attacks and I proved him wrong. End of discussion.

you think pac fought the same vs JMM and Margs? Yuppers...

you think pac fought the same vs jmm as he did vs cotto? damn right he did.

you think pac fought the same vs margs as he did vs shane? definitely.

If Floyd fights professionally, then he wins the fight easy (like Marquez). If Floyd gets cocky and tries and trades with Pac( Like his last 3 fights), there could be an upset. Not sure which Floyd which show up. Fixed it for you, fighting to exploit your opponents weaknesses and maximize your strengths is smart boxing. If he disrespects Pacquiao like he did Ortiz ( leading with a right uppercut) then an upset could happen. Also Mayweather style of countering would be worse for Pacquiao as he can do it from the outside. Marquez style of countering at gives the two fighters and opportunity to engage which allows Pacquiao to score points.

Just read an article about Roach saying that the two are completely different even though both are counter punchers and that they could exploit some flaws Floyd has. I know I might get bashed from Floyd fans and i am a Floyd fan and think he has the edge on Manny but i think what Roach says is true. Their counter punching style is completely different and JMM takes some risks that Floyd would never take. The big flaw I see in Floyd is he doesn't use his legs to move anymore. He is content with blocking the punches and twisting and turning and it works. His opponent's connect rate is low but i think it puts him in a situation where he gets hit with that one big punch that can knock him out. If you fight a guy like Manny, you cannot just stay there and twist and turn and thats what Floyd does. This is exactly why I said that people using Pac's performance against JMM as a measuring stick for how he would do in a Mayweather fight are way, way off. They are two completely different animals.....If Pac throws a bunch of punches and traps Floyd on the ropes, Floyd is gonna be in trouble. If Pac boxes with Floyd, he will struggle himself but the activity of Pac and the odd angles is going to be the story of the fight.