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Wilder will never get his full due or credit until he beats Joshua, which I believe he will. This is what happens when people listen too much to Eddie Hearns and the typically British BS. Wilder is not the most technical or fundamental boxer but he thinks out there and eventually gets to his opponents. There are quite a number of people who constantly try to discredit Wilder by naming jokes like David Haye. What has David done exactly that would have warranted such confidence in him over Wilder? Same for Klitschko himself - his fight with Bryant Jennings already showed he was a shadow of his former self and now has to fight guys his size who are athletic. Wilder is the fastest HW right now in my opinion - not in terms of his hands - which he windmills when he gets opponents in trouble. However, Wilder does not take as much damage as people make it out to be. Looking at the last fight against Washington, the rounds lost were more due to Wilder not doing much than it was due to Washington being exceptional. Wilder also can fight when he is both on his backfoot or leading. The main difference, I think, between AJ and DW is that AJ's defense is his offense. He is always on the attack. My hope is that they do collide so that Wilder eventually can get his due respect. Boxing is not always about who is the better skilled boxer, or finesse but who wins. Wilder finds a way to win.

Nobody should put a W on Wilder. It shows that Joshua is chinny, but this is Ruiz night. That's why he has been avoiding Wilder. Where are the AJ protectors now? Always trying to fight in mid range and close range - then got exposed by someone with much faster hands.

Exactly. Hype machine derailed.

Because the A-side calls the shots and seeing as wilders so called 50 million deal included thT means the B-side is trying to hihack the fight. Hearns deal to wilder was regardless of US PPV sales....it was legit. Wilders deal was funded by joshuas high PPV sells on our side of the water. Delete yiur account because you are gullible and believe that unicorns and peter pan exist. The 50 million was a not a real offer simple as that How do you know that Eddie's offer to Wilder did not include US PPV? Can't believe anyone is that stupid. All revenue is factored in, dimwit.

or no fight. Now Wilder and his team don’t have to play the numbers game anymore. Wilder should say, “You don’t give me 40% **** you”!!! He doesn’t need Joshua. Wilder has proven to the world that Femi is a ****en coward. Agreed. He should never have taken a flat fee from that little kid, A juicing J. Wilder is the longest reigning champ and the BEST. If in UK, 60/40 at minimum. If in the US, 50/50 or greater for Wilder. It's that simple. If AJ wants a rematch clause, Wilder should get one too with no conditionality. If not, 1 fight - winner takes all. Idiotic Eddie and steroid pushing AJ want to act smart.

Idiotic and delusional AJ fans want Wilder to sign an unfair contract. Very pathetic and disgraceful folks. No way AJ deserves more than 55% of the pot. No fight of his without Wilder crosses the $40 - 50 million price. With Wilder, it doubles at minimum. Why should AJ be given the 85% of the fight revenue? It is either 45% for Wilder or no fight. That simple!!! Wilder ONLY bent backwards to call the juicer's bluff for this year and was right when the juicer capitulated. A juicing J has time to cycle off his drugs now - not that it will matter. He will lose within his next 3 fights anyway.

i find it really interesting that many of responses to the whole debate by wilder fans is mostly just emotional stuff, laced with vitriol, full of hypocrisy, and with no basis in the actual facts of what's going on. No actual facts? Really? Facts, in of itself, are supposed to be actual. On the point you made, I've got 3 questions for you: 1. how exactly does AJ deserve $85 million of the pot? 2. How exactly does Wilder deserve 15 - 20% of the split? 3. Why should Wilder accept a flat fee? The maximum AJ has made is almost 20 mil pounds, i.e., about $26 million and that was against Parker who is no where near as worth as Wilder Those are facts. The revenue for that fight was about 40 mil pounds. In a Wilder fight, the amount goes to $100 mil for revenue from projections at minimum. Why then should Wilder let AJ have $85 mil? Even if we say Wilder brings in $3 mil per fight and AJ brings in $27 mil per fight. In a fight where both's presence will lead to $100 mil, no way should AJ get $85 mil of the fight. Let's give AJ his $27 mil and Wilder his $3 mil. We are left with $70 mil from a $100 mil. If that amount is split 50/50, AJ's becomes $62 mil and Wilder's becomes 38 mil. Now, that is closer to a 60/40 - isn't it? If lying Eddie had just offered Wilder a 60/40 split, the fight would have been made. But greed will destroy them all. Now if the fight is in the US, no way AJ should make more than Wilder. He is not known here. Those are the facts!

Joshua would most likely make $30 mil minimum in the Povetkin fight. Wilder would surely make less than $2 mil in the Breazeale fight. Guess who is crying now that the AJ vs Wilder didn't materialize? Why do you clowns make simple things so complicated? Delusional guy you are. Life is not all about money. Wilder is fine making his $2 mil and keeping his integrity than the juicer. You are the one more concerned about whether Wilder makes that or does not. Get some help!

No, he shouldn't sign. A flat fee of 15 million for a fight of this magnitude is absolutely ridiculous. Wilder never believed Hearn wanted AJ to fight him before Povetkin. To prove his point, Wilder accepted a terrible offer to prove Hearn was lying about wanting to do the fight next. Sure enough, Wilder was right, and Hearn refused to do the fight next. Under any other circumstance, Wilder would have never accepted that offer. He proved his point about Hearn being a liar and now if Hearn ever wants to make the fight later, he's going to have to give a percentage. And a higher percentage than he gave Parker. If Parker got 33%, I don't see Wilder taking less than 38%. You are much nicer in your write-up. This is exactly what I have been trying to say too.

Of course it is a huge risk to Wilder. Fury at his best is likely the favorite over everyone. But for Wilder this is a big money fight and it is yet to be determined if Fury will ever get back to form. In reality, Wilder's team will just be using Fury to gain more negotiation pull vs Joshua. Fury at his best is no huge risk for Wilder. Boxing is about match-ups. There is this huge myth created about Fury because of his fight with Wlad. It was one fight - people act like he has not been dropped or touched with punches. Wlad is no Wilder. The former was gun shy in the match against Fury because Fury had messed with his head. That unfortunately is part of boxing - but that fight was one of the worst ones we have seen in a very long time. Even the Parker-AJ fight is much better. Fury will seek to avoid Wilder for 12 rounds - not impossible, but highly improbable. Wilder will not be gun shy. Fury has no power. Fury is 6'9" and Wilder is 6'7". Watching them stand up close shows they are physically closely matched. Fury is the better technical boxer - Wilder seems the better fighter.

It is pitiful how AJ's delusional fans want him to get over 60% of the profit when the PPV in the UK will be based on AJ fighting Wilder and the PPV in the US is also solely based on Wilder. No one knows AJ in the US. Wilder is more known in the UK than AJ is in the US. Greed will kill people ultimately. The fight should be 50/50. Wilder is the longest reigning champion and if he beats Fury will be the linear champion. AJ got the Parker belt because Parker avoided Wilder. AJ got the WBA belt because they paid Ortiz to step aside and got it in the fight against an aged Wlad. Those are the facts - however his delusional fans seem to side-step how he got the belts. Even the IBF, he overpaid Charles Martin. Why did he not wait as the WBC #2 to fight Wilder?

Wilder obliterates AJ under 6 rounds. If AJ comes out too aggressive, he will get knocked out by Wilder within 3 rounds. If not, by the 5th to 6th round, Wilder figures him out and wrecks him. It will be a vicious knockout in front of AJ's home fans.

Usyk boxes at an extremely high pace... ...and he can do it for 12 rounds! He also has fantastic ring IQ and constantly puts pressure both physically and mentally on his opponents. On top of this he is far, far more skilled than these HW’s. I use AJ and Wilder as examples because I believe both would be blowing out their asses after 5 or 6 rounds with Usyk. They will have to be aggressive early and hope to KO, hurt or cause sustained damage to Usyk early on, or they will find themselves in deep trouble come the second half of the fight. However, Usyk’s skill level and ring IQ makes that a lot easier said than done. Usyk is gonna be a nightmare for these HW’s... Wilder and Big Baby Miller can fight at that pace very comfortably. When have you ever seen Wilder tired? His stamina is one of his most underrated and grossly ignored advantage over the rest of the heavies. AJ is a different case but I still expect him to wreck Usyk too.

He did noticeably gas during that fight though but I’ll admit his stamina is considerably better than AJ’s. Wilder-Usyk, is the most interesting matchup IMO Why is it interesting? It will go the same way all Wilder fights go. Usyk looks good for 2 - 3 rounds while Wilder finds his range. Wilder hits him and the match is over. Boxingscene becomes chaotic with a lot of complaint that Wilder was lucky instead of giving him his props that he was calibrating/setting the other guy up. Lol...

His movement is quality but at some point he’s gonna get tagged hard Wouldn’t mind seeing Usyk miller next just to see how he can deal with a big lump I think Miller bullies him. For a big guy, Miller moves his head really well.

I have yet to hear AJ utter Wilder's name. Exactly. Bellew is just using Wilder's name to drum up respect for himself - typically Eddie Hearn BS playbook. Bellew will never sign a contract to fight Wilder because he gets destroyed. Even AJ does not seem willing to go against Wilder now. With the way Wlad was hitting him with the right hand, Deontay knocks AJ out in my own opinion. Deontay is faster. I just think people will find all kind of excuses to dislike Deontay, even when the flaws he is accused of having AJ also has. Rewatch the AJ vs Klitschko match and see AJ many times open, swinging at air, not including being dropped. AJ gets dropped and he is considered as the second coming... while Wilder who hasn't is considered to be chinny. Wilder has been calling AJ out - let him sign the damn form and fight Wilder. Even of all the BS talk. My money is on Wilder to knock out AJ within 6 rounds and expose him.

I know you're a massive Wilder fan/potential member of the Wilder family or something the way you go on. But.......if you were Eddie Hearn/AJ what fight would you try and make with your free hit voluntary because realistically it would be something like: 1. Fury 2. Wlad rematch 3. Wilder 4. Joseph Parker 5. Dillian Whyte rematch Because he is probably going to have to fight Pulev for certain and probably Luis Ortiz at some point in the next 18 months. You can understand why Wilder's name isn't even his head despite him being the American dog in the race which would ordinarily make him the attractive opponent. Joshua does not have a free hit voluntary anymore. He has used that up already. I saw somewhere Eddie was going to try and request one for him, but he is obligated to face Pulev or Ortiz. Actually, he paid Ortiz money to sidestep him so he can face Wlad. So, enough with the excuses. He needs to man up too - face Pulev (easy work for him), Ortiz (who will probably beat him) or Wilder (who I think definitely knocks him out). Now, I hear he wants to face Dillian Whyte. Come on!

He will have wilder tripping over his feet. Wilder needs range to get leverage on his shots, uysk will make him look silly. What about uysks chin, makes you beleive he will get flattened so easily? Wilder probably weighs similar to uysks more natural weight, hes just alot taller. But much more talented fighters than wilder havent been able to use there height in fights, hearns, arguello and caballero as examples. Wilder is a lot better than the credit he gets on here. When he beats Fury and then AJ, maybe he will get more then. Wilder is faster than all the other heavyweights in terms of raw speed and explosiveness. Usyk taps with his jab but is shorter and has a shorter reach than Wilder. He will have to get in and once he does, Wilder will hit him repeatedly. Wilder also pivots out really well despite his chicken legs which makes it look awkward. I don’t see Usyk lasting 12 against Wilder. Once Wilder finds his range, it is over. Usyk does not have enough power. He thrives on changing angles and counterpunching which will not work against Wilder.

Believe it or not every individual feels their own points are more valid than the next. Every idea is nonsense if it doesn’t resonate with your belief system. It’s not that what you said was right or wrong but out of all the heavyweights Wilder in all his fights struggles regardless of the Calibre of opponent. He wins his fights by his devastating power. Rarely will you see a boxing Clinic. Usyk if it’s any heavyweight is closest to Wilders weight. He matches him in Speed and Athleticism he has a better punch selection than Wilder, definitely trumps him in workrate, ring IQ and just about every stat baring Power. Wilder has very poor balance and Usyk being a Southpaw definitely helps him against Wilder. Again I’m under no illusion Wilder is capable of knocking him out inside around but to suggest every heavyweight struggles baring Wilder is not nonsense but the first thought came to my head was that they must be related. Probably a poor executed joke on my part but i was not offended by your words and assessment and didn’t feel compelled to address it , I just said a poor joke Don't know in what world Usyk is as athletic as Wilder.... just saying. He is not as fast as Wilder too. Wilder is faster, more athletic, longer, taller, more power. Usyk is miles more technical, better lateral movement, better head movement. On work rate, he does not have a better one than Wilder. Look at his punch stats and compare to how many punches Wilder throws per round. Wilder is one of the most active heavyweights, probably 2nd or 3rd to Miller and AJ. I think Miller is #1. How also do you define ring IQ? Wilder gets the job done all the time - same as Usyk. Wilder probably faster most times.

Joshua should be able to withstand the early attack from Wilder (assuming there is one, and Wilder hasn't went all shellshocked spazzo and forgets how to fight until round 4 starts). From there, Joshua will indeed likely start chipping away at Wilder's confidence. It will be a tough fight for both fighters, their toughest to that point... but IMO Joshua is sturdy enough to handle it. The big question will be... can Wilder handle the incoming from Joshua. I doubt it. AJ cannot withstand an early Wilder barrage. If you think that, then you are writing an early knockout check for AJ. AJ needs to walk forward and try to crowd Wilder but he risks getting hit with either hand from Wilder. Wilder is able to fight on front and back foot - AJ cannot.

Are you Deontay's brother? This has nothing to do with being his brother. But if my comments make you feel that way, feel free to call me that. I answered your question by requesting who the technical geniuses were that Joshua fought but you didn't have an answer. Well what the scorecards said (6-2 x2, 5-3) was wider than most fans seemed to have it as I recall it, but when you are supposed to dominate guys never dominating any of them til the KO kinda defines struggling to me. No one has been excited for any of these Wilder fights. His pinnacle so far was his title winning performance & he's been on cruise control since. Granted that's not entirely his fault as Povetkin f#cked up his own sh^t & I feel like Wilder woulda came out on top there anyway, BUT the reality is he's still gotta prove it in the ring. You can say whatever about Wilder right now. It don't mean a damn thing til he proves it & he hasn't. Agreed on most of your comments here but I guess we can agree to disagree on the 'kinda struggling'. You are also right that Wilder has not proven anything. I could make the same case for all the top heavyweights but Fury not proving anything as well, including AJ's win over an over the hill Wlad. Hence, my desire for them to all fight to see who is the best. Joshua just proved he was what he said he was vs Klitschko, old or not, recently. I'm still waiting on Wilder to do the same. Hell even fighting Pulev would be a step up from the opponents he's been fighting. To each his own on Joshua proving something. I don't think he proved anything other than Father time being very much on his side. Also, Wilder fighting Pulev is a step in the wrong direction in my opinion. Not sure anyone wants to see that. Another reason why I recommend a consolidation of all the titles. All the so-called 4-5 best undefeated HW guys fighting each other to determine 1 as the best. And when I think world class skill I don't think of Wilder. Wilder got where he's at via clever matchmaking, power, heart & risk taking. And those things never keep you on top very long if they ever get you to the tip top. And that's fine like I keep saying. Wilder is already a huge success story even if he gets KTFO in his next 2 fights & retires. Few cats can be the #1 guy in a division & fewer still can keep that position for very long. I agree on the world-class skill but AJ seems to get credit for some world-class skill that I don't see. This is the BS i am calling out - even though I am not saying you are implying that. I keep hearing of AJ's combinations, but combinations are typically possible with a mostly stationary target. Further, for all the talk about skill, your natural gifts do play a part in who you are. If AJ were 5'9" and 220, will be able to dominate his opponents as a heavyweight? Same for Wilder, without his reach, power and athleticism, where will he be? So, I think we cannot leave out the importance of the physical gift. Whos said that? lol. I remember people were shocked that Wilder had a hard time & was losing rounds to Washington (well again on fans scorecards cuz idr the judges scorecards) I see your point here. I had Wilder either down 3-1 or 2-2 at best heading to the 5th round. If anything I thought Wilder won a little more convincingly the 4th round against Washington but still did not consider it that Wilder was struggling - more of a slow start. The same issue arose for me watching Andre Ward vs Kovalev. I thought Kovalev won that fight (7-5 at worst) but we all know what the judges scored the fight. LOL you're being delusional again. At this point Wilder needs to step up vs someone or he needs to get in Joshua's line. Joshua is in the position of power now. Look, there is no delusion here. Neither is anyone questioning that Joshua is the money guy in the division and probably all of boxing. Who are the guys that 90% of all of boxing will agree are a step for Wilder? Not sure they are more than 3 or 4. The names I keep hearing are Wlad (whom I don't consider a step up due to his age), Fury (who is currently not in fight shape), and AJ (I'd like this fight to happen). Maybe Ortiz (another fight I'd like to see happen). I think 90%+ of fans and haters will agree those are the only names left for Wilder (maybe Povetkin as well if he can get his stuff together).

It's still a contract for $15m. I can't see Wilder boosting his revenue that high in one fight given that all of the best options in the division are tied up. The best name he could fight would be Ortiz rematch. That's not going to do a great deal for his earning potential. I'd sign for the $15m. Even if Joshua got KOd by Povetkin, it's still a big payday If Eddie and AJ were truly looking to make the fight, why not offer Wilder a split? Wilder will NEVER sign off for a fight with AJ without a split. You can write that down. Does not matter what Wilder or AJ make right now - what matters is what they could make together. Since you are an AJ fan, ask Eddie and AJ to honor their own words too. They have 2 options: 1. Give Wilder any % provided AJ takes that in the rematch when Wilder whoops him (easy you will think but not for Eddie). 2. Give Wilder a reasonable and respectable split (60/40 or 55/45 - nothing less) with winner taking the greater split in the rematch. Lastly, rematch without conditions for both or no one gets a rematch. In a fight potentially worth over $100 mil, AJ wants to get over $80 mil. Who does he think he is?

I agree with this. Usyk is miles ahead of both as a boxer. One of them just happens to have a true fight ending punch and it comes from really weird places at times. AJ is just a lot more predictable. But both have solid power at HW and Usyk would be in trouble if either caught him. I think Wilder does not get enough credit for his skills and his ability to think in there. Usyk is 6' 3'' and 78 inches. He will have to come towards Wilder. Ortiz was 6'4" and 78 and had difficulty hitting Wilder - seems most people chose to ignore that. The 1st 4 rounds in the Wilder-Ortiz was little to no action. Wilder has a way of keeping people outside using his stance, feet and length. Further, Usyk's pitty-patty punches will open him up to one fight ending shot and that's all she wrote. Usyk is not faster than Wilder. He is miles more technical. However, he has no power, he is going to be shorter - so Wilder will touch him before he touches Wilder. I just don't see how he wins. Even the match against Joe Joyce, I thought that match was even. Joe may even have won if he had some semblance of head movement. He just walked in with his head up. Usyk is a great fighter but I don't see anyway he wins against Wilder, even also against AJ. Wilder does not mind losing rounds to calibrate, and then all the haters will say the same thing - "Oh... Wilder was losing the match and being outboxed. All he had is that right hand. No technique..." The haters will keep on explaining failure for a long time, until they admit what can be seen - Wilder really thinks in there.

82,000 people bro you want to critique that number, really? Find a better angle please What exactly does the number show when a 20k live gate in Vegas destroys all that number in UK? A Wilder-Joshua fight in the US makes much more money yet AJ wants to avoid fighting where it makes the most money. Who does that? He rejects a guaranteed $80mil (50 in 1st and 30 in 2nd). It is a 50/50 fight - Wilder aint no Golovkin. If AJ is that confident, how about he keep all the PPV in UK while Wilder keeps all in the US - if the fight is held in the UK? If the fight happens in the US, it makes more because of Wilder. No one knows AJ in the US. It should be a 50/50 fight - enough with AJ has 3 belts. We can go round about to explain how he got the belts, who is the longer reigning champion, etc, but it won't make any difference. The world wants the fight. AJ ducked so far. Make the damn fight for an even split. Or 45-45. Winner takes the 10% extra. How about that?

“Lose his faculty for a few” ..... for a few what? Lol I said 50 seconds you contest that and say 43+ seconds........ so are we saying 43.2 seconds or 43 + a few more seconds. I’m not a AJ lover I support him but if I see any flaws in his game against Povetkin my money goes on Wilder vs Joshua. I bet heavy fight night and all I care about is making my so if I bet on Wilder you better believe I will support him fight night. However he is vulnerable and Joshua takes him out. He has powerbut in one hand and he is very athletic but if one has any brains you nullify his strengths. Ortiz done it wonderfully but didn’t have the size the length and the stamina to sustain it My focus was on your statement that Wilder was only hit once on the chin in 50 seconds. That is an inaccurate statement. You can watch the replay and let me know if you still stand by that. You think Wilder is vulnerable. I will be here when the fight gets made, will bet heavily on Wilder because contrary to your belief, it is my opinion that Wilder obliterates AJ in under 6 rounds. Every major advantage sans technique and weight are to Wilder's side, including the intangibles.

Good riddance to the hype machine. This is what happens. Where are the delusional AJ protectors? Talking crap. This is what you get when you get hyped up for nothing.

I agree, wilder looked amateurish 2-4, but what exactly did fury do these rounds? He barely threw any punches. Because wilder is this one-punch knockout fighter, he doesn't get credit for getting those short, in between shots in. He made fury nose bleed in the 4th. Can't do that if your not landing. Exactly. That's the problem Wilder won 1st and 4th at least for me. Every judge had Wilder winning the 1st. Now I think the 2nd was close and so was the 3rd but it could have gone either way. One judge gave all to Fury while the other gave all to Wilder. There goes the scores....

hes gotta walk first and be announced first, he's the challenger facing the champion.. He is not saying he will accept 40%. he is saying AJ will accept 40% and go first because Fury sees himself as the legitimate champion and believes he should come 2nd in the walk in as the "de-facto" champion in his mind. The "except" there was a typo meant to be "accept"

Fury is a pathetic excuse for a fighter and the delusional supporters will keep excusing his antics. He tries to preserve himself from damage by fighting bums instead of any of the top guys so that when he then fights the top guys, he is fresher and with less damage than they. However, his supporters will continue to encourage his actions. If I were Wilder, I will not fight Fury again until he has fought at least 2 top 10 guys and beat them. No need for Wilder and AJ to take damages while Fury chooses the Schwartz and pretends that he is fighting good fighters. This is very disgraceful!

You're dreaming if you think 2 million people in the UK are going to buy the PPV. Break it down to me in how you came up with this complete nonsense? No one gets paid on the basis of how many title defences you have. To assume you do only shows how removed from reality you really are. You do know that SKY will take half the money don't you? The same applies for the US PPV. Reading your drivel tells me you are by far one of the worst posters on this site. To prove as idiotic as you are, takes some real doing. Well done, give yourself a round of applause. Haha. You sure are very stupid - that much is clear from your post. AJ-Wlad sold 1.5 million per Eddie. Why then can't Wilder-AJ sell almost 2 million? Won't waste my time on uselessness like you. Get a life, idiot!