Was the $50 million there or not?

Because Wilder isn't Floyd Mayweather. Paying that kind of money is contingent on a stream of revenue that would be considered reliable - and Mayweather is arguably the most surefire draw in US boxing modern history - if not, of all time. Wilder is the exact opposite. He has no track record - zero. There's a significant difference between a person or network having the ability to pay because they have money in their slush fund, and actually putting that money up as security when leveraging a fight involving a guy who's never drawn a PPV dime. I don't doubt for a second that both sides have been loose with their words in this situation. It's just a matter of where in the middle it meets. That man has men in his corner who have done 5-6 hundred million dollar fights. Al Haymon knows that if the fight was promoted right that it could make big money which is why they were willing to give the coward 50 mil.

So what's the benefit of creating a PR stunt on Wilder's behalf when both guys who manage him have made fights where their guy has made together over 300+ mil for fights? SHO and Espinosa has paid Floyd millions in that 6 fight deal? It's ok to have doubt, but I fail to see your doubt and reasoning. Because Wilder isn't Floyd Mayweather. Paying that kind of money is contingent on a stream of revenue that would be considered reliable - and Mayweather is arguably the most surefire draw in US boxing modern history - if not, of all time. Wilder is the exact opposite. He has no track record - zero. There's a significant difference between a person or network having the ability to pay because they have money in their slush fund, and actually putting that money up as security when leveraging a fight involving a guy who's never drawn a PPV dime. I don't doubt for a second that both sides have been loose with their words in this situation. It's just a matter of where in the middle it meets.

Im sure showtime can afford to put up 50mil or 80mil for 2 fights Hearn aj are lairs and their fanboys love hearing the bull

Knowing that this fight will take place in the US, the question is are the American audience ready to welcome back the revival of the heavyweight division in the form of this fight? Assuming an optimistic projection is possible, who are they going to see the winner fight next if they want to see more? How many names in this division do casuals are even familiar with? There's hardly anyone.

...the biggest boxing match that can be made is never signed on a flat fee. ever. That's all subjective speculation. How do you know it's big?! Are you God? This Deontay character is not even recognized by the media. CNN couldn't even identify him. His entire career was fabricated. At one point he was fighting an average of 7x a year. How can a fighter even do that? Who were these people he was fighting? He ducked an almost retired Klitschko like a disease. Is this the guy who deserves to even get $5 million? Man this is bad for the sport. Who is next? The Charlo sisters? Fights scrubs all your career and just wait for high pay days to come? Wilder’s Record: 1st Ethan Cox, wasn't ranked 2nd Shannon Gray, wasn't ranked 3rd Richard Greene Jr, wasn't ranked 4th Joseph Rabotte, ranked 393rd in the World 5th Charles Brown, wasn't ranked 6th Kelsey Arnold, wasn't ranked 7th Travis Allen, wasn't ranked 8th Jerry Vaughn, wasn't ranked 9th Ty Cobb, ranked 399th in the Heavyweight World 10th Alvaro Morales, wasn't ranked 11th Dustin Nichols, wasn't ranked 12th Shannon Caudle, wasn't ranked 13th Harold Sconiers, wasn't ranked 14th Dan Sheehan, wasn't ranked 15th DeAndrey Abron, wasn't ranked 16th Reggie Pena, wasn't ranked 17th Damon Reed, ranked 304th in the World 18th Dominique Alexander, wasn't ranked 19th Daniel Cota, ranked 489th in the World 20th David Long, wasn't ranked 21st Marlon Hayes, ranked 368th in the World 22nd Jesse Oltmanns, ranked 492th in the World 23rd Owen Beck, wasn't ranked 24th Kertson Manswell, ranked 310th in the World 25th Damon McCreary, ranked 357th in the World 26th Kelvin Price, wasn't ranked 27th Matthew Greer, ranked 325th in the World 28th Audley Harrison, ranked 136th in the World 29th Siarhei Liakhovich, ranked 43rd in the World 30th Nicolai Firtha, ranked 121nd in the World 31st Malik Scott, ranked 86th in the World 32nd Jason Gavern, ranked 194th in the World 33rd Bermane Stiverne, ranked 4th in the World 34th Eric Molina, ranked 37th in the World 35th Johann Duhaupas, ranked 34th in the World 36th Artur Szpilka, ranked 24th in the World 37th Chris Arreola, ranked 43rd in the World 38th Gerald Washington ranked 41st in the World 39th Bermane Stiverne “inactive for two years and UNRANKED at time of fight" 40th Luis Ortiz - ranked 6th (39 years old)

It's asinine to think otherwise and to even suggest that Wilder's people couldn't come up with the money just shows that Hearn was looking to stall this fight. showtime, cbs, and al haymon don't have 50 million to put in an escrow account until the checks from 2 million ppvs at $100 :rofl:

What's amazing is Hearn was in New York and wanted a meeting with Finkel. He was denied the meeting. It's so unprofessional and childish. Never seen anything like it. he wasn't trying to discuss a fight in las vegas for 50 million bucks. why talk about gloves branding and ring size when you won't agree to the important stuff? eddie hearn is a liar, he's been very dishonest during these negotiations but if you listen to enough of his interviews you either get the truth or what must be the truth based on deductions you make from what he has said. he said this: first that 12 million pounds, not a lot more than joe parker made, is a fair offer. AKA he is saying t that the fight is small. the biggest boxing match that can be made is never signed on a flat fee. ever. but if it is it should reflect a fair split of the purse, i'd say around 35-40%. in other words, eddie hearn lowballed the value of the fight, and subsequently wilder. then joshua, in a manner designed to make his own offer seem reasonable, says he'll fight for 50 million. he obviously doesn't know much about the finances of boxing or the global economy. hopkins - calzaghe did more at the gate than joshua - klitshcko. the us GDP is 10X the size of england's. a casino in las vegas will pay you to host the fight. you'll sell $100 ppvs. lots and lots and lots of them. so they get an offer for 50 million bucks iwth an upside. here is what is important in regard to what you posted: eddie turned this offer down! he did not go to new york to negotiate! he was alerady there on dazn business, and he did not want to negotiate a fight in america for 50 million dollars. so there is nothing to discuss. again, they know what eddie offered, a lowball. they are not going to talk about sponsorsips on the apron when they don't have an agreement on the important terms; how much money and when. you can go back and find all of this coming from eddie's mouth! you'll also see that he stalled during what he claimed was a crucial week by not giving the date or venue for a revised offer he sent back to wilder. then CONVENIENTLY the WBA calls in a mandatory. if you wanted to let your horse run you drop that colored piece of leather and you take the fight where it will make themost money. eddie hearn has told you he is not willing to do that! wants the fight in the UK. wants it next year. willing to do it for less money. this is what it is, eddie hearn preys literally on a football fan mentality. they just want to show up, drink ,and watcha british guy win. they genuinely don't want to engage the sport further than that. don't be a football fan, kid.

It's asinine to think otherwise and to even suggest that Wilder's people couldn't come up with the money just shows that Hearn was looking to stall this fight.

The poll results are surprising so far. Fewer idiots on this forum than I thought. Vocal minority.

I definitely think that money would have been available if Team Joshua said yes to it. They would be investing that money in the hope Wilder wins that fight. So yes i think the money was there, moreover didn't hearn confirm that the money was there (I don't know what people mean be "There" but am guessing it meant available) too.

The poll results are surprising so far.

Wait, what? I'm not going to take a side on this, but since when is anyone in boxing held accountable for their words? The whole industry is built on PR stunts. Every single day, someone in the business says things they'll never follow through on. Either one side is lying, or both sides are lying. Which throws out of the defense of not doing it in case of "possibly ruining their reputation", because at least one of those sides are doing it anyway. So what's the benefit of creating a PR stunt on Wilder's behalf when both guys who manage him have made fights where their guy has made together over 300+ mil for fights? SHO and Espinosa has paid Floyd millions in that 6 fight deal? It's ok to have doubt, but I fail to see your doubt and reasoning.

This poll is for informational purposes only. I think you'd have to be a dingbat to believe the $50 million Wilder offered to Joshua was fake, but nonetheless I'm interested in how this poll will play out. I'm certain that the $50 million was there because Al Haymon was behind the biggest fights in boxing history, managed to get $500 million from investors for PBC, and is unanimously appreciated by his fighters for getting them paid (AND people in the music industry. Drake mentioned getting "Al Haymon checks" in a song). Shelly Finkel also has a reputation for producing big fights, and Stephen Espinoza confirmed the offer was real. Espinoza gave Mayweather his $30+ million purses and the $100 million purse for the McGregor fight. Not to mention Showtime is linked to CBS, a company with $21 billion in just assets. By that alone I think it's safe to say the $50 million was real. The fact that specific terms of the deal were released: no rematch clause, fight in the US, 50-50 past $100 million also tells me that this was a genuine offer, if not a detailed one. The fact that Barry, Eddie, and AJ came out to publicly decline the offer, saying they'd be willing to take millions less to fight in the UK, also tells me this was a legitimate offer. What do you think and what are your reasons for believing/not believing Wilder's $50 million offer was real? If Al Haymon and Finkel consign Wilder...then the money was there. Those across the pond have never made gates higher than 15 mil. That's why they doubted Wilder, lmao.

Wait, what? I'm not going to take a side on this, but since when is anyone in boxing held accountable for their words? The whole industry is built on PR stunts. Every single day, someone in the business says things they'll never follow through on. Either one side is lying, or both sides are lying. Which throws out of the defense of not doing it in case of "possibly ruining their reputation", because at least one of those sides are doing it anyway. You are aware of who Al Haymon is right? Do you know that he and Don King were key guys behind the Jacksons victory tour of the 80s? As well as other acts. If Al Haymond said he has $50 million to put up, he has it.

The reason they didn’t fight wasn’t cause the money wasn’t there. It was cause aj won’t leave the uk for $50 million I would fight Deontay Wilder in his front yard.

Why would Al Haymon, Shelly Finkel, and Stephen Espinoza stick their necks out and possibly ruin their reputation just for a PR stunt? They all have reputations to uphold, and since Wilder is "just some guy from Alabama" that can't put up $50 million why would they risk their reputations for him? AJ fans, explain. Wait, what? I'm not going to take a side on this, but since when is anyone in boxing held accountable for their words? The whole industry is built on PR stunts. Every single day, someone in the business says things they'll never follow through on. Either one side is lying, or both sides are lying. Which throws out of the defense of not doing it in case of "possibly ruining their reputation", because at least one of those sides are doing it anyway.

SNIP Guy, Hearn said the money was real. Why is this a thread?

Of course it was. If it wasn't, that would've been Team AJ's reason for turning the offer down rather than "I need to do it in the UK for the fans".

Wilders a fighter who earns 2 mill a fight on a good day. Why are they gonna throw 50 mill at Joshua for. And if they were gonna give him 50 how much would wilder get? He's been crying about deserving 50 50.split so do they give him 50 mill too? Use some common sense man.promoters.also haggle over every penny, they won t just throw him 50 mill with no negotiation and just cause it's a round figure. Wilder v Joshua in America isn't even that big an event i don't know where the hell u think all this money is gonna get generated from or is uncle al just doing it out of the goodness of his own heart Maybe they knew it might not make them money on this fight but if Wilder beat AJ which he probably would have in US then he has all the belts and would be worth more in his next fights. Kinda like buying the belts of AJ

Only idiots think it wasn't there