Fury will outbox most in the division but I'd give AJ a better chance of laying him out than Wilder. AJ will set up his knockout, Wilder just went looking for it without doing much else.
perhaps but on the other side of the coin AJ isnt as agile or quick as deontay although at least joshua will be capable of throwing some combinations! i just see joshua not having the cardio to deal with fury over 12 rounds he'd have his moments but i think fury's to crafty for him. anyway Wilder vs Joshua should be happening to compete against Fury considering most regard him as No. 1
shut up you egg looking mofo, your boy got schooled and would get ktfo by AJ
until AJ fights either one he is considered the third best heavyweight no matter how he has being promotoed as the golden boy. u need to step up and prove yourself against the top tier which he hasnt done as of yet. and besides a fit again fury will demolish joshua
Fury should've got the decision though, he was blatantly robbed.
I don't see how AJ beats Fury tbh, he's looked rubbish against guys who moved a bit (Takam, Parker) and Fury is far superior to those two.
Joshua comes forward in straight lines and fights in the pocket, easy work for a technician like Tyson.
exactly easy work, these brits dont like fury cos he considers himself irish
How the f#uck are you counting Ortiz one of "the best" if you have to fight the best to be the best? Then if Wilder has only fought a past it Ortiz (not the best) and arguably just lost to Fury, he would not be 'the best'.
AJ fought Wlad, Povetkin and Parker all arguably among the best and AJ has been generally cosidered no.1 HW before Wilder v Fury so how has he gone down? Did I miss something did they all have a fight in the carpark or something after? There's level and all Wilder did is prove he's not on that Wlad, Fury, AJ level.
wilder went toe to toe with ortiz and fury whereas no matter what u say joshua recently struggled against parker and takam who are a level below. how can u even consider him the best until he fights fury or wilder ffs u guys are deluded fanboys
Wilder proved what on Sat? After that performance I’m confident AJ takes him out. He’s fallen in love with his right hand and abandoned basic boxing.
Fury and AJ that is the real fight.
i think u guys dont appreciate how hard it is fighting a guy like fury at 6'9 and moves like a welterweight..you are all so quick to dismiss wilder but would joshua really do any better. i see fury playing with joshua and i think wilder vs joshua will be a shootout probably a real fight for the ages but fury's ring generalship and fight IQ is way above either wilder or joshua
So you say. I saw it a bit different. :sad6:
if u say it different u dont know boxing..even the extremely racist mayweather gym unanimously gave it to fury apart from one deluded soul
He beat klitschko who was still better than Wilder and Ortiz so you have no leg to stand on
you fanboys are hilarious, if he wont fight the best he cant be considered the best. your hypothetical theories mean nothing unless he puts pen to paper and fights the best he cant be considered the best what part of that dont u understand
Lol I should really be concentrating at work but his ignorant comments are rattling me
trying to call AJ the best for beating a semi retired wlad. fury would wreck AJ hes stiff as a board has nothing on fury
Lol you’re obviously a hater if you want to say aj carefully selects his opponents despite him taking on top teir heavyweights consistently yet willing to look past wilders dismal record because he fought Ortiz (whos best win is Bryant Jennings) Gerald Washington is a carefully selected opponent Alexander Povetkin isn’t.
Anyway answer my question. When aj fought Klitschko what active heavyweight was better?
So please tell me how aj doesn’t want to fight the best when he was doing that two years before wilder was.
After the robbery we saw on Saturday you’re still going to talk **** about the 50 mil? I’m glad he didn’t take that money to get robbed plus it’s already been proven that part of that money came from bt sports making the offer a non starter. It’s funny how you wilder fans understand that there was no date or venue in the contract for the aj fight which was why he didn’t sign but can’t understand that aj has an exclusive contract with sky so all of his fights need to be on their platform.
im not a wilder fan u clown im an objective fan something u know nothing about. fury would beat both of them easy
It was fighting the best. Tell me what active heavyweight was better at that time bear in mind fury had just retired. He may have had two years out of the ring but those two years were spent constantly in training camp.
Unproven Ortiz who’s best win was Bryant Jennings?
Or wilder himself who showed no willingness to be great whatsoever at that point.
It’s all well and good rewriting history now but at the time wlad had only been defeated once in ten years against one of the most naturally talented heavyweights we have seen it years.
Aj definitely stepped up and fought the best competition available.
stop giving credit to joshua for going life and death with a semi retired wlad when fury destroyed an active wald years before that. yes it was a good win but to be the man u gotta beat the man and considering fury is the lineal champ and deontay is the longest serving champ he needs to fight them. turning down 50m was just pathetic eddie and joshua wanted everything in their favour and they're greed has given the limelight to fury and wilder and rightly so..they stood up and fought each other while joshua carefully selects his opponents
Wilder almost got finished by Ortiz who has not proven anything and schooled by Fury.
How did AJ struggle? He dominated both of them, never looked like he was gonna loose once. Neither Takam or Parker are levels below Ortiz, what do you have that substantiates this claim? Ortiz beat no one and had difficulties with Scott, Allen and Kaufman in regards to how he should have beat them if he was as good as you like to pretend. Parker was unlucky against Whyte and beats Ortiz, Takam is 50-50. If Ortiz was a world beater (which his amateur and pro record suggest he wasn't) he has been past it for a while.
You sir are the deluded one.
ortiz no better than takam or parker?? sometimes the penny drops when u realise what type of a fan you are dealing with.
Thanks for bringing up Lennox's name. Seems his word is golden in your book. A quick reminder: Lennox said Fury won Wilder, and that it was a robbery.
....Press that on your conscience.
ahd yes hes right, fury did beat wilder.
i also noticed every former heavyweight campion in attendance dissing joshua for not taking the fights they all clearly would have taken...i guess there all wrong?
Wilder proved himself?
What by getting schooled 10-2 by a fat fury who just came off 2 years obese with drink and drug problems
All wilder proved is that he's a BUM
whatever u say keyboard warrior. at least he stepped up, personally i think joshua will be an easier fight for fury than wilder. wilder may not be as fundamentally sound but hes live for 12 rounds as he showed. so far joshua has avoided fury, wilder and ortiz so unless he fights one of the big three then he cant be considered the best..even your boy lennox say so :fu2:
SOrry fighting Klitschko in your 15th fight is a step up. When wilder was content with fighting the Washington’s and spilkzas of this world. So what if he lost to fury wilder lost to fury too. Does that mean if aj fought and beat him next that wouldn’t count as him stepping up?
klitschko was in his 40's with over 2 years out of the ring. yes it was a step up but it wasnt fighting the best. fury beat him years before that without any layoff. im not dishing joshua its just clear hes more interested in earning money and building a recored than fighting the very best
You are talking rubbish
you can make a case for fury > AJ
Wilder > AJ is rubbish
you can make a case for both being better than AJ only a fool cant see that. and until your boy steps up then that is the case. After sat night Fury and Wilder proved themselves
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hopefully fury beats the brakes off him.. long live the gypsy king
Let's hope FURY doesn't relapse like OSCAR DELA HATER into drugs and alcohol after getting knocked out by WILDER!
oh good one, bet u feel entitled now after your big ballsy comment :friday:
We have all Ben through this but coming back after retirement to struggle past two really poor comebacks doesn’t warrant lineal status in my opinion.
Having said that, following his win over wilder I am more inclined to consider it than prior to the fight.
i dont think whether Fury is the lineal champ depends on your opinion no more than anyone else's. hes the man that beat the man so until AJ or Wilder beats him they cant fully legitimise them titles
Equally so that’s your opinion but it’s rather split. I would say less than 1/2 considered fury lineal before the fight on the basis he retired/taking drugs suspension and then had a couple years out. In the mean time Joshua has become number one. Most said that Joshua wasn’t the lineal and rightly so but when Joshua faces either wilder or fury most would agree the lineal should then start again. Wilder cos fury is #2 vs #3 so shouldn’t be; unless Joshua loses beforehand.
Most clueless heads thought wilder would walk through fury showing he has never got the respect he deserves for being the master boxer that he is. Wilder and joshua got handed them titles and u cant doubt either ones path since its clear the time now is to step up (especially for joshua). Americans have lost touch with the heavyweight division but over these neck of the woods real boxing fans know fury is the main man regardless of his extra curricular activities. Joshua has been aggressively promoted and rightly so hes the golden boy who could do no wrong but his last few performances have being flat and caget looking like a man more worried about not losing his titles rather than forging his own destiny. A prime Fury walks all over both AJ and Wilder i just hope he keeps in shape so he can prove so
No hate .. just stating a fact .. I looked at four main ranking websites and all had him NOT listed as lineal. Google it , most of them have him as a previous lineal who retired like Lennox Lewis who also retired. The 2.5 years stripped him of the ring title automatically and announcing his retirement took him off the list for Transglobal boxing rankings etc. Those two are generally considered the ones for the lineal I literally didn't find an organisation that did recognize him as the current lineal, I guess their must be one ??
the fact your basing your opinion or theory on whether boxing rankings have him as the official lineal champion is deluded. the FACT is he beat the decade long unbeaten champ so peoples opinions and rankings dont mean **** until someone beats him
Fury is the man who beat the man and hasn't lost in the ring. Why so much hate? His 2.5 years without defending his title isn't even the longest period of inactivity a Lineal HW champion has every had so if others can take a sabbatical then why not Fury? Especially considering he was in a pretty dark place.
Not like #1 and #2 in the division fought each other in his absence to create a new lineage.
im glad i noticed a sensible comment right at the end. why cant people give the man credit for not only dethroning the man nobody could beat but he also made it look easy. facts are facts and considering he seems like a genuinely down to earth fun loving fella i think people need to give him the credit he deserves.
I read somewhere he makes more off the whiskey than he did for most of his MMA career. Probably set for life just off that whiskey money lol.
you read incorrectly, that is utter rubbish
Yeah but MMA is evolving quickly because sport sciences, cardio training, strength conditioning are more evolved than 1918.
I believe if McGregor had been a pro boxer he would have been at least an alfabet titilist, kinda career like Paulie or Hatton...at least...what do you think?
Please tell me you didsnt just reference mc gregor in the same light as hatton. Hatton was a formidable boxer mc gregor simply isnt a boxer, yes he should a few good shots in the floyd fight but his IQ and conditioning are miles behind any reasonably good boxer. There lots of mma fighters with better boxing skills than mc gregor
Well UFC only have 9 divisions and one belt per div so double division champs like him, there aren't to many of them.
There isnt 9 divisions in the UFC, and they will get getting rid of the featherweights anytime soon now. Mc Gregor will always be the man that knocked out aldo but his legacy in combat sports will be more about making money and losing to mayweather and khabib.
Yeah, but I meant, if gregor had been a boxer training in that sport instead of MMA...
It would be a very interesting thing to know how good he would have been.
yes but initially conor trained solely in boxing and although im sure he could have got a lot better he was not a stand out perfrormer on the international scene...and thats being generous. He clearly developed a formative style and skill set for mma but a boxer he is not anjd never would have been in my opinion
Cue Wilder fanboys saying "see even Fury thinks AJ is scared"
If they had half a brain they would realise that 1) Fury and Wilder are good buddies and 2) it is in Furys interest to build up a bit of hate with AJ to try and bait him into a fight and also build a bit of hype around how they don't like each other.
since when are fury and wilder good buddies?
povetkin is the hardest fight of his career? that says it all, why dont u let him fight some of the real contenders eddie hes meant to be a heavyweight champion why is he hiding??
Because what you said is contradictory...
Why won't AJ ask Hearn to give him a percentage and take a pay cut to make the fight? He was willing turn down the 50 million offered to take less money and make the fight in the UK. OR all these just excuses to not make the fight?
Why give him a percentage if the flat fee is similar if not the same as what he would make if AJ took the 50 million for a US fight? i just broke it down in my previous post so wilders no better or worse off.. why does the term "flat fee" offend so much if the money is the same at the end?
he was willing to turn down 50 million to fight in the UK.. yeah, he was because he feels the fight should be in his country seeing as he is the A-side and he wants a 90,000 seater stadium fight not an exorbitantly priced Vegas fight filled with once a year fans.
All these excuses not to make the fight? what.. a contract of which the terms have been agreed by wilder, sat on finkels desk waiting for a signature with what is now a confirmed date and a purse that rivals what wilder would potentially get should AJ have taken his 50 million offer?
Hence i asked you.. to please prove to me with figures how wilder makes more in the US on the 50 mil deal for AJ then what he does now.. and if it doesnt matter, why are yoiu asking joshua to ask hearn to give wilder a percentage that makes him no better or worse off?
very simple questions
no offence mate u come up with these figures as if they are gospel. if what youre saying is correct then why would AJ not take the fight considering hes getting the fee he wants. youre talking about these figures as if they are accurate when you clearly cant take into account the variables that go with the biggest heavyweight fight in many years