Comments Thread For: Fury: I'm The Lineal Champ - Deontay Wilder Wants What I Have!

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Oh I get it now. You don’t know how boxing works. Let me explain. Lineal title has nothing to do with alphabet titles. It’s the man who beat the man who beat the man. Klitschko was the man at the time he lost to Fury, making Fury the new lineal champion. He earned it. In the ring. He then retired temporarily. If anyone says he lost his lineal status in retirement I won’t argue it. Theres validity in that. However, To suggest that Joshua is now the lineal champion because he beat the same Wlad coming off of a loss is laughable. That is not how the lineal title works. Joshua would have to beat Wilder for that distinction if Fury is no longer considered the lineal champ. So either Fury is lineal champ, or the title is vacant. Here are a couple links that could help you understand better: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lineal_boxing_world_champions http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/achamp.htm Yes I see now! Mug.

Oh I get it now. You don’t know how boxing works. Let me explain. Lineal title has nothing to do with alphabet titles. It’s the man who beat the man who beat the man. Klitschko was the man at the time he lost to Fury, making Fury the new lineal champion. He earned it. In the ring. He then retired temporarily. If anyone says he lost his lineal status in retirement I won’t argue it. Theres validity in that. However, To suggest that Joshua is now the lineal champion because he beat the same Wlad coming off of a loss is laughable. That is not how the lineal title works. Joshua would have to beat Wilder for that distinction if Fury is no longer considered the lineal champ. So either Fury is lineal champ, or the title is vacant. Here are a couple links that could help you understand better: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lineal_boxing_world_champions http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/achamp.htm oh and one other thing, he is the only one in history to be recorded as “title vacated” I am reading this right aren’t I? This is the lineal heavyweight champions all time list? Which bit did he vacate? Or as he recently put it, “threw in the bin” the lineal title or just the title? Oh I see! He kept the “lineal” but not the title! Oh how dumb of me, must get Wikipedia to correct the massive mistake. There’s understanding and understanding and you’re in the “none of the above” category. Aka kunt.

Oh I get it now. You don’t know how boxing works. Let me explain. Lineal title has nothing to do with alphabet titles. It’s the man who beat the man who beat the man. Klitschko was the man at the time he lost to Fury, making Fury the new lineal champion. He earned it. In the ring. He then retired temporarily. If anyone says he lost his lineal status in retirement I won’t argue it. Theres validity in that. However, To suggest that Joshua is now the lineal champion because he beat the same Wlad coming off of a loss is laughable. That is not how the lineal title works. Joshua would have to beat Wilder for that distinction if Fury is no longer considered the lineal champ. So either Fury is lineal champ, or the title is vacant. Here are a couple links that could help you understand better: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lineal_boxing_world_champions http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/achamp.htm you miss the point joey, fury actually has nothing! There’s no glamour in being called “lineal champ” when you don’t have the straps to either show off or defend you dull ****. He neither defended them or queued to re-acquire them did he? Why make such claims to be this or that when he’s done none of the above? Where’s the glamour in what he’s done? Or greatness? Other than gaining a wealth of wannabe pikeys?? So, being considered to be which, in some circles IS all he IS counts for what? Nothing. Should he beat wilder which is a big ask then and only then, will he have credibility at the top of the heavy weight tree. I hope he loses because I can’t stand filthy pikeys who rob and cheat the tax man but this, I don’t actually believe he really is. It’s just his “oh I’m a gypsy” drivel he constantly drones on about will definitely NOT endear him to the British public OR what else spews from his mouth. If there was a level of professional behaviour he may in time win favour but, he would have to drop the “pikey bit” because we relate all to pure scum from unwashed stolen caravans and scabby women that wish in petrol stations. But that might appeal to his fans.....are you one?

omg, all toffee, here’s the real and now thing. Tony Joshua is AND fought for the belts AND also beat klitchko AND fury holds no belts AND a new lineage was created. The only thing he can lay claim to is being unbeaten WHICH should change by next weekend but in any event, in the present time (now) current time, reality world, normality etc etc etc he is ONLY a challenger and that’s the thing. Your either convinced of this or deluded! Probably by what spews from a dirty pikey!! And that is what makes you and your “talk” laughable. Oh I get it now. You don’t know how boxing works. Let me explain. Lineal title has nothing to do with alphabet titles. It’s the man who beat the man who beat the man. Klitschko was the man at the time he lost to Fury, making Fury the new lineal champion. He earned it. In the ring. He then retired temporarily. If anyone says he lost his lineal status in retirement I won’t argue it. Theres validity in that. However, To suggest that Joshua is now the lineal champion because he beat the same Wlad coming off of a loss is laughable. That is not how the lineal title works. Joshua would have to beat Wilder for that distinction if Fury is no longer considered the lineal champ. So either Fury is lineal champ, or the title is vacant. Here are a couple links that could help you understand better: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lineal_boxing_world_champions http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/achamp.htm

yeah yeah blah blah and there’s what ACTUALLY IS !!! Very mature and compelling argument. Real time, happening now, do you not get it? He holds nothing and until he has something he’s on the ladder all over again. But luckily for him, he was able to hop over mandatory opponents to the WBC champ and get a crack. WBC mandos have been awful for Wilder. And it took WBC over 2 years to start pressuring him to unify against Joshua. As I said to one of your girlfriends, a new lineage was created and why? Funny guy, I'm a virgin. One belt was stripped and the rest were vacated. What this means is that it was no longer!!! You gettin it yet sweetheart? A lineal champ doesn’t anything when it’s taken or given. NOTHING!! James Shia fought for all those belts, won them and has defended them against good opposition INCLUDING Klitschko AND winning against the actual klitchko that turned up on every fight night over the last 11 or so years and NOT the lollipop fury had a “cuddle with”. Another deluded noob head. I guess you care more about what Sanctioning Bodies think more than the principles that world championship boxing was built on i.e. the man that beat the man. If it were up to me, anybody that's failed a PED test should never fight again. We'll never know the truth of Fury's positive test anyway. If he's allowed to fight, he's Lineal Champ. You're acting like I'm some hardcore deluded Fury fan. I'm not. If I had to pick a favourite out of the top 3 heavyweights, it would be AJ. I was at the Klitschko fight so saw him win one of the best HW fights this century.

Forget about alphabet titles for a minute. Until he is beaten in the ring, Fury is Lineal champ. Ali didn't box for nearly 3 years but was considered Lineal Champ up until he officially retired to allow a new undisputed champ to be crowned. Who deserves to be Lineal Champ at the moment, if not Fury? Wilder has 1 good win on his record - Ortiz. And he got pushed all the way. AJ has a much deeper resume but still can't be considered the best until he's fought Wilder or Fury. All roads lead to the incumbent champ, Tyson Fury. AJ's legacy will have a massive hole in it if he doesn't fight the Fury/Wilder winner, whose legacy will have a massive hole in it if he doesn't fight AJ. With luck the issue of best 200+ pounder will be determined in the next 18 months.yeah yeah blah blah and there’s what ACTUALLY IS !!! Real time, happening now, do you not get it? He holds nothing and until he has something he’s on the ladder all over again. But luckily for him, he was able to hop over mandatory opponents to the WBC champ and get a crack. As I said to one of your girlfriends, a new lineage was created and why? One belt was stripped and the rest were vacated. What this means is that it was no longer!!! You gettin it yet sweetheart? A lineal champ doesn’t anything when it’s taken or given. NOTHING!! James Shia fought for all those belts, won them and has defended them against good opposition INCLUDING Klitschko AND winning against the actual klitchko that turned up on every fight night over the last 11 or so years and NOT the lollipop fury had a “cuddle with”. Another deluded noob head.

Here’s the thing..... THAT Klitschko didn’t show up. The lineal champ Wlad did. And he lost. It’s not Fury’s job to motivate Wlad to be the best he can be, or to fight a style not suited for his victory. Wlad lost. Fury became lineal. End of story.omg, all toffee, here’s the real and now thing. Tony Joshua is AND fought for the belts AND also beat klitchko AND fury holds no belts AND a new lineage was created. The only thing he can lay claim to is being unbeaten WHICH should change by next weekend but in any event, in the present time (now) current time, reality world, normality etc etc etc he is ONLY a challenger and that’s the thing. Your either convinced of this or deluded! Probably by what spews from a dirty pikey!! And that is what makes you and your “talk” laughable.

Ah, so the Dec 1 clash is for the vacant lineal title? But are Fury and Wilder truly the consensus #1 and #2? Why does a title claimed have to be done so with no grey areas? The answer to your question, though it does not matter, is "no, not necessarily." Just like Vitali by beating Sanders was not necessarily better than his brother... The title is for the man who beats the man, not the consensus best... The thing is, when we look back we might have to establish who was the best. So... At that time was the Vlad who lost to Sander's the best? You can have murkiness when claiming a title. Heres an example from a totally different area: If you could, would you rather be: the owner of a beautiful New York city apartment with 4 rooms, 3000 sq ft, and views, with a tenant who could live there as long as they want, with a rent controlled rent that could not change, for the princely sum of 400 bucks a month? Or would you rather be the 75 year old tenant? You still own the place as much as if it was empty, but the value is a little different because the tenant gets more benefit than you do, BUT you still own the place as much as any other owner who takes title to a property... To answer if Sanders was the lineal one would be in a situation like the above: it would have to be determined if Vlad was the best when he was beaten. And like the above it may be murky determining such a question, BUT it does not make the lineal any less of a title to claim.

Most of this is correct, the vacant titles were fought for and won by Anthony Joshua and yes it’s created a new lineage AND he defended it scoring a knockout over the genuine (even though he rarely left Germany or the Ukraine) champion amongst other fighters WHICH makes fury what exactly ???? A challenger to wilders genuine and real WBC crown and that’s all. He’s lucky to get the shot over mandatory challengers which is unfair but, wilder sees no threat, he really doesn’t. Regarding fury and his dark place, that is his personal issues and not a fight or a defence or entitle him to foking nothing in a ring where he has not set foot. Also, the titles became vacant so his 2.5 year lay off for whatever reason is irrelevant my friend. His win over the big klit in my view was no way to claim a title. Did he beat him up? no. Knock him down? No. Wobble him or buckle his legs in anyway? He won the fight on pre fight mouth in all honesty which the big klit couldn’t cope with. Is this really the way to behave or win a fight? It was alongside the most boring “fights” in history. Unconvincing,not entertaining,little and no punches thrown by either man,no aggression and the list goes on....it’s really quite shocking that people with two eyes, a memory and a sense of all the above place this d1ckhead manc as the LINEAL champ and what really makes me laugh about the Americans who write these articles is that they brand him a “British superstar” lol Just like his pikey middleweight shameless mate with the spunk stain on his cheek. And he is definitely NOT funny in any way and is NOT clever nor entertaining. Like Khan he will get battered shortly and his level will be exposed. Remember, there have been dozens of one hit, one time heavyweight “champs” in the last century Buster Douglas kod in first defence by Holyfield. Hasim Rahman kod in return and first defence against Lewis. Michael moorer kod by a 90 something foreman Leon spinks beaten by Ali in rematch and first defence And these are just some of the “one hit wonders” although did lose in a first defence at least they won and then lost the titles actually in their possession. Fury isn’t even in this category and why? Yyyyyyyup! You got it! He never defended the titles that were gifted to him by a frozen klitchko. It was NOT special so be realistic about this people, just another large mouth in play is all. Forget about alphabet titles for a minute. Until he is beaten in the ring, Fury is Lineal champ. Ali didn't box for nearly 3 years but was considered Lineal Champ up until he officially retired to allow a new undisputed champ to be crowned. Who deserves to be Lineal Champ at the moment, if not Fury? Wilder has 1 good win on his record - Ortiz. And he got pushed all the way. AJ has a much deeper resume but still can't be considered the best until he's fought Wilder or Fury. All roads lead to the incumbent champ, Tyson Fury. AJ's legacy will have a massive hole in it if he doesn't fight the Fury/Wilder winner, whose legacy will have a massive hole in it if he doesn't fight AJ. With luck the issue of best 200+ pounder will be determined in the next 18 months.

Oh please, lineal nothing. At least when the big klit wasn’t frozen against Tony Joshua and gave a very good account the of his age by putting him on his arse before been totally beaten by knockout. This diddycoy replica did very little to get those belts as opposed to Joshua’s win over the big klit. Had THAT klitchko turned up on that night against the pikey it would have been a lot different, he hits harder than Cunningham so I think you all know what would have happened. Also, the pikey said himself, injury prior to the fight was a blessing in disguise but not for the reasons he gave. I’m picking wilder to get him out of there early as long as the ref don’t allow fat boy to hold and make an ugly spectacle of it. We know that is very likely when wilder tees off on him. Hopefully the diddycoy WILL want to feel his power and stick his chin out. i think he will try and box but wilder can box too with almost twice as many fights and a number of title defences as opposed to the pikey having made NO defences of anything. Wilder by BIIIIG KO. Here’s the thing..... THAT Klitschko didn’t show up. The lineal champ Wlad did. And he lost. It’s not Fury’s job to motivate Wlad to be the best he can be, or to fight a style not suited for his victory. Wlad lost. Fury became lineal. End of story.

I love the underdog comeback stories over say the diabolical cherrypickin crap Mayweather did🤮🤮🤮 This fight needs to end in a brutal KO !!!! The loser needs to keep his health intact as does the winner Even in a Heavyweight thread you're still talking about Floyd. The man has ruined your life completely. :lol1:

Ah, so the Dec 1 clash is for the vacant lineal title? But are Fury and Wilder truly the consensus #1 and #2?

There is... no proof, of anything, in the article. He probably posted it because it was by Dan and didn't even read it himself. It literally says the lineage is "murky" and that Vitali may have re-established his lineage and may not. And that stands in direct opposition to the contention that a lineal HAS TO BE RE-ESTABLISHED WITH A #1 vs ##2. Billeau2 gets it. A lineal can take a whole lot into consideration, but the bigeest factor will always be "the man who beat the man". We have that this Dec 1st.

You honestly don't get the point of the article? the poster is showing you proof how the lineal is considered. There is... no proof, of anything, in the article. He probably posted it because it was by Dan and didn't even read it himself. It literally says the lineage is "murky" and that Vitali may have re-established his lineage and may not.

You honestly don't get the point of the article? the poster is showing you proof how the lineal is considered. And that goes to the heart of the matter, doesn't it? Real fans would have this take because Fury IS THE LINEAL, no matter who he is fighting. If this was AJ fighting Tyson Dec 1, I would be making THE EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS. Not because I like AJ or Tyson or Deontay, but because that is THE PRECEDENT, that is what the HISTORY OF THIS SPORT dictates. Folks gotta stop letting their fanboy get in the way of the facts...

^ So either Vitali was lineal, or he wasn't. Well that clears that up. You honestly don't get the point of the article? the poster is showing you proof how the lineal is considered.

How did Jem Ward lose his title? Why is Peter Maher not considered a champion? Oh but you all know so much about lineal yeah? You know what this kind of reminds me of? What happened to Pete Rose. Every baseball player until about the 1930s was probably some sort of a criminal, and they're all in the Hall of Fame, the great ones... ty cobb is on record of attempting to murder at least two fellow athletes and he was the georgia peach! We even have whole teams like the 1919 black socks and Shoeless Joe Jackson... yet One Fine Day baseball had to make a statement. Never mind that in the 1970s there was so much cocaine in baseball then it should have been called snowball. But there was Pete Rose Unapologetic, a perfect situation for petty moral arrogance, and so to this day, one of the best players in the game is not in the Hall of Fame. A lot of these idiots here want the lineal to be based on some sort of ethical framework. The guy who beat the champ, is clean as a whistle, and doesn't decide to take any sort of hiatus becomes to lineal champ... And he is clean cut and smiles like ivory soap. And when you try to explain to them it doesn't work that way they become inflamed and just dig in... Just like people who want to claim that Pete Rose was such an exceptionally evil individual, for being a hustler. One does not have to agree with decisions that Pete Rose or Tyson Fury made, to understand that self righteous indignation is not called for. You, as usual, have done an exceptionally good job trying to explain to them, how a claim and a title work hand-in-hand. Which would explain why these organizations that suddenly want to explain what a lineal Champion is never even mentioned it until Tyson claimed it.

^ So either Vitali was lineal, or he wasn't. Well that clears that up. The bottom line is Robby baby doesn't know WTF he is talking about. The lineal is more nuanced than his simple mind can grasp. That's why he can't wrap his head around Dec 1 being for the lineal.

^ So either Vitali was lineal, or he wasn't. Well that clears that up.