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Spence didn't come to brawl, he came to box. Throughout the promotion he and his trainer kept telling everyone that skills will win the fight, not size and power, and they did just that. Doing what you said you would do, and doing it so perfectly (winning every round) is just incredible to me. If spence had just come in and imposed his size and will on Mikey, people would be giving Mikey props for trying. But he chose to impose his skills on Mikey instead. In the process, he showed the world that its Mikey who is the basic fighter. This isn't going to go down and Mikey daring to be great, its going to go down as him daring to be stupid.

Seemed to me that Spence was cautious in the early rounds. He was imposing his will and didn’t see the need to take chances. When he felt Mikey soften up he stepped up the aggression. You could see the ebb and flow of Spence’s effort. He pressed for the KO a couple of times; but when Garcia resisted, Errol was content to inflict punishment. I agree with this for the most part, but I would say "resisted" doesn't accurately reflect what Garcia was doing. He had given up all pretenses of trying to win after the 5th round. His resistance was just him trying to survive to the last round. Spence seemed content enough with how easily he was winning the fight, and didn't really seem to care if he closed out the show or not. Hey kept putting in the work to keep putting away the rounds, but I didn't ever really see a point where he was really trying to setup the end. It was more of an where if the end came it was going to come from the accumulation, and not a concerted effort to end the fight emphatically. Thats just how it looked to me though.

was it a good idea for big bro to allow the fight to go on and let mikey take unnecessary damage? i mean that corner was dead silent lol. during the fight when the camera points to gracia's corner, pita wasnt even looking at the fight anymore he wasnt looking the other way lmao!!! No, there was no reason for it to go on past the 9th. They could have pulled him out even earlier when they realized that there was literally nothing he could do to avoid the inevitable beating that was coming on stronger every round.

He’s got some heart but he’s arrogant af good to see his ego get grounded he needs to set up a Loma fight. There will be zero interest in that fight as Garcia was outboxed by the guy everyone thought has considerably less boxing skill than he had.

Yeah, I’d say so. Garcia maybe even hoped he could land a game-changer. It happens. In the end, I was satisfied with the way Spence handled himself. I know some guys think he should’ve taken more risks and closed the show, but that’s easy to say when you’re not the guy taking the risks. Lol Does the fact Errol didn’t finish the smaller man mean anything? Not in this case, in my opinion. Mikey has a lot of heart and a solid chin; and Spence barely went into overdrive. I have no problem with how spence handled himself. Ive never really pegged him as someone that wants the kill. He is just there to do his work, and his work usually means you are getting broken down and stopped. I feel like he wanted to box a bit more on the night, and show that it wasn't just his size that was allowing him to win, but his skills. It seems like he took the "basic" comment to heart

LoL, why are you all butthurt that Mikey took the Spence fight and lost??? Are you his biitch?? Is he fuccing you??? �� You seem more hurt over his loss than he is! While I agree with you that Mikey shouldn't have took the Spence fight I gotta give him props cause he took a chance and dared to be great while most fighters these days are content on taking the path of least resistance,.. Hoes like you aren't ever happy! If a fighter cherrypicks then you complain.... If a fighter takes chances and goes after a killer then you hoes still complain! It's like damn! Aren't you hoodrats ever happy??? Because there was the Lomachenko fight be made at his own weight class. Even crawford made more sense being closer to him in size. Those both could have been great fights, that he could have been competitive in. What he did with spence wasn't some act of calculated daring. He wasn't the guy that jumped off the cliff with a parachute. He is the guy blindly ran off it without one. That isn't something we should celebrate. He didn't dare to be great, he dared to get in the ring to try and survive. There is no bravery in that. There is no moral victory in "daring to be great" only to end up only putting in enough effort to try and survive. Hyperbole aside, yes it takes balls to get in the ring, but that was every fighter does every time they step through the ropes. There is no moral victory in being out thrown and out landed by that many punches. Mikey is one of my favorite fighters, and it was not only an incredibly stupid fight for him to take, but showed an incredible amount of disrespect to the fans who wanted to see him in the actually relevant and challenging fights in and around his division. Im mad because there is now almost zero chance that we will get to see him against Lomachenko now, or Crawford. Maybe he can rematch Broner, I dont know. If you dare to be great, you better be prepared to go out on your shield in this sport. You get credit for seeing the final bell when you had to lay it all on the line to get there. Not when you decide you cant win and try to survive, and still take a beating.

Congratulations to Mikey Garcia on successfully committing career suicide. Its not a noble effort that he put forth. He never had a chance from the moment the fight was signed. And its really embarrassing that neither he nor his team knew what everyone else on the planet knew. Mikey took the beating we all knew he would take, and that we all knew he didn't need to take, when he has such attractive options around his weight class. He didn't show bravery, he didn't show heart, he showed an incredible level of stupidity in even signing on for this fight. Id really really love to know what they thought they saw.

Barely won? Canelo was looking like Floyd out there making Jacobs miss and look foolish Dude canelo easily won he literally domianted ever punch stat landing more of everything they track and at double the connect rate and higher rate for everything. You just hate canelo and will never give him credit lol Compubox Canelo Total shots 188 of 466 (40%) Jabs 68 of 202 (34%) Power shots 120 of 264 (46%) Jacobs Total shots 131 of 649 (20%) Jabs 42 of 290 (15%) Power shots 89 of 359 (25%) The thing is, Floyd would make you miss then hit you. Canelo was just making Jacobs miss then standing around admiring his own defense. He did look great with his head movement though!

It felt like $19 worth of PPV.

thought this was a bump of an older post. Dude no one cares man. It's already been settled. This is ancient history. You would hope it was, but some people are just painfully unaware of the world. Some of these guys seems to be completely unaware that everyone else on the planet is aware, and accepts that Margarito attempted to fight Shane Mosley with plaster in his gloves.

some idiots in here don't realize that when someone gets hit in there face with loaded gloves you damage the fighters tissues in the face....hence Cotto getting easily bruised in the 2nd fight w/ MargoCheato, althought not as bad as the first fight. Yes, thats indeed what happens, and Cotto was busted up in a way that didn't reflect how the fight was unfolding. He was taking more damage than he should have reasonable been expected to take for the number of shots he was taking. Also if you look at Margaritos fight with Sebasian Lujan, where he literally tore his ear off, it looks pretty suspicious after the fact, knowing that he was loading his gloves with plaster.

Because people are going to believe whatever they want despite the evidence. The more outlandish it is the more they feel the need to justify it with threads like this one. They're so emotionally invested that truth no longer matters. I had this same type of discussion last night when some moron decided that every judge, ringside observer and CompuBox itself were all corrupt in multiple Andre Ward fights in some bizarre grand conspiracy theory. At some point you just have to say "I can't fix crazy and I can't fix stupid" and walk away. When it all went down and the test results for the pads came back, I heard someone try and argue that Calcium and Sulfur are not in Calcium Sulfate ( its literally in the name lol ) ... so the test results instead of proving that that it was plaster ( which is exactly what the tests showed ) proved it wasn't plaster... People are really dumb, and will go to ridiculous lengths to try and justify things. All of the facts are out there. All of the test results, the commission rulings, the court of appeals rulings, everything is there to be read, and you have to be willfully ignorant to misinterpret what they say. Margarito was a cheater, and Cotto probably wasn't his first time. Lets remember, Margarito did this with his fists in the ring. http://www.mightyfighter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/lujan-ear-2.jpg I can't remember another fight where this happened, can anyone else? Looks a little suspicious when you later learn that the man that did it was caught attempting to use plaster in his wraps... Even the circumstantial evidence points to maybe something wasn't on the up and up.

Yes, and i repeat they did not find plaster. Did you know sweat contains calcium? That would be present on used pads/wraps. Did you know that Richardson was allowed the take the pad to the Mosley locker room to do their own "examination?"...why? Now go do some reading about Richardson and see the type of person he is. They found calcium and sulfur, the two components of calcium sulfate, aka plaster of paris. And... they found it wet... Hrmm... what is it again that you do to plaster to get it to start hardening? Oh... whats that? You wet it? You mean the CSAC representatives that inspected the pad and said the white substance was hard to the touch where touching another hardening wet white substance composed of Calcium and Sulfur that isn't plaster? I'd love to know what this material is. Id also like to know why Margarito's legal team didn't dispute that it was plaster on the wraps, or that they were illegal. You know... if he was innocent and all. Instead his legal defense came down too "But he didn't know about it".

Give it up dude you sound ridiculous, had that been the case there would be no doubt. There was a video were Richardson can be seen persuading the commisionar becaus the commission didn't notice anything. These were trace amounts at the lab! In a pad that Richardson and team had access to before being sealed you fool. So your position now is that there was indeed plaster on the pads but that Richardson put it there? There are zero lab reports describing the amounts as trace, or describing the quantity present at all. The tests were simply to determine the composition of the substance, which turned out definitively to be a gypsum based plaster commonly known as plaster of paris. Numerous eye witnesses describe the amount present on the pad... I don't think you describe there being a thick white substance like plaster or whiteout being on gauze if the amount of material is trace. Trace would imply that a test was required to detect the presence of the material. But... since the material could be seen with the unaided eye, and furthermore could be felt... I'll go ahead and say no... it was not trace amounts. If mental gymnastics were in the olympics, you would bring home the gold medal for sure.

So now it was wet too huh... I already discussed the real points with those other fools. I will tell you this though since you brought/made it up. Say they were wet, do you know how much you have to heat it and the time for it to actually set and become actual plaster is? It dosen't instantly become plaster but like you said "people are dumb". They literally make gauze embedded with plaster for making casts that you only have to wet... Your ignorance of the world around you doesn't make you correct. Its just makes people shake their head. Btw, plaster sets in about 30 min. Well within the time frame of how long a fighter would have their hands wrapped before a fight.

It dosen't surprise me that you pick that part and ignore the rest of his comment which is what I agreed with. Picking and choosing has been the basis of your whole argument. I don't know if you understand this or not, but the basis of his argument, is evidence tried before a court, with forensic evidence that confirms that the substance found in the pads was plaster of paris. Its also, that you are being willfully ignorant, and refusing to look at read, or even attempt to understand any of the evidence or testimony of people that were there, saw the pads, touched that pads, were responsible for overseeing the handwraping process, etc. That you didn't even know the pads were wet when they were discovered says everything anyone needs to know about your understanding of the topic that is being discussed. You have none. You don't know the facts, you wont read the facts, you just want to pretend like they don't exist. You want to pretend that Margarito didn't challenge the fact that there was indeed plaster on the pads. He accepted that as fact. If he can accept that as fact, why cant you?

Ok, maybe I didn't know they were wet. Where in the commission hearing report does it say they were wet? Testimony of Commission Inspector Mike Bray. Mike Bray, said during questioning that he had seen the pads and that they were "moist and dirty looking with a white substance smeared across the pad, like a cast plaster." Also of note. Both Margarito and Capetillo felt the pads during the hearing, and acknowledged that they were hard. Furthermore, Capetillo acknowledged that they were illegal, and could have resulted in serious bodily injury to Mosley had they been used in the fight. The only thing they deny is that Margarito knew about the pads being placed in his hand wraps. I am really unsure why you feel that you are correct about something that neither Margarito nor Capetillo claimed was incorrect. If you want to argue about if he knew they were placed in his wraps or not, that would be something debatable. That he had wetted, plaster embedded pads placed in his hand wraps is not disputed by anyone involved in the matter. It was accepted as fact by all involved, including Margarito. The forensic tests were only to verify that the substance present on the pads was indeed plaster. There was no need to verify the quantity, as there was enough of it that at the hearings the pads were hard enough that Capetillo had to admit that they could have caused serious injury to Mosley. It was not only the inspectors that identified the material as probably plaster at the scene, doctors present also identified the material as plaster of the type commonly used in casts. Furthermore, the basis of Margarito's legal challenge was not that there was no plaster. "Margarito contends his due process rights were violated because the Commission's January 27, 2009 letter did not give him meaningful advance notice of the charges against him and because the Commission withheld critical evidence before the hearing. We find that no due process violation occurred." These arguments were basically laughed out of court, and the full opinion of the appeal can be read here. https://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1541145.html

To me it's obvious he didn't use them The damage he did to Cotto was congruent with the amount of times he was hitting him. Of course Cotto fans are NEVER going to stop using it as an inbuilt excuse for the loss, but if Margarito had loaded wraps Cotto would have looked deformed after the fight and he didnt He had another fight where he literally had the guys ear falling off. vs Sebastian Lujan

That sucker gets hard as the fight goes on too. It was a trick in the old days, boxers would dip their wraps ( the knuckle area ) in water. All these justification for what Margacheato and Capitillo did is bullsh8. I wonder if these guys have even sparred a round in their lives . I doubt they even know how to wrap hands properly. Freaking Margarito's excuse about not knowing the pad is loaded is hilarious at best . Please. Please. Even I can tell if the gauze pad is thinner or thicker than usual. Cheato's "pads" were already pre-formed. There was a left and a right one. The two ( boxer and trainer ) should have been banned for life. I agree, they should have been banned for life. Attempting to load plaster into your gloves is not a joke. Fighting with casts under your gloves is not a joke. You jeopardize the health and safety of the other fighter.

Yeah...aha...Dude, he wasn't caught but in his next fight they attemted the same thing only this time Naz Richardson went into MargoCheato's dressing room to watch unlike team Cotto... Questions: -does MargoCheato have punching power? -Did MargoCheato bust people up in fights after PLASTER-GATE? -Has MargoCheato ever scored another KO after the PLASTER-GATE? And did people start being able to walk through his punches and back him up after? Funny how people couldn't do that before.

There isn't any evidence to prove that he used plaster against anyone, let alone Cotto.. But for those saying "he lost his power after that"... When was Margarito ever a huge, one punch KO power puncher? He was a volume punching, pressure fighter who wore his opponents down throughout the course of a fight. When has another fighter made a guys ear fall off before? Besides Mike Tyson with his teeth?

So now it was wet too huh... I already discussed the real points with those other fools. I will tell you this though since you brought/made it up. Say they were wet, do you know how much you have to heat it and the time for it to actually set and become actual plaster is? It dosen't instantly become plaster but like you said "people are dumb". The inspectors literally testified that one of the pads was wetted. How dense are you my friend? Go read the transcripts... Another inspector, Mike Bray, said during questioning that he had seen the pads and that they were "moist and dirty looking with a white substance smeared across the pad, like a cast plaster." I should probably define moist for you, since you have probably dont know what it means and wont look it up. Its the same as wet.

Spence weighed 156 on fight night for Ocampo as reported on the show. Mikey said he expects to weigh 155 on fight night for Spence so they will weigh about the same. Spence will knock Mikey out because he is better. Quit making excuses for Mikey in advance. So spence is all the sudden walking into the ring 10lb lighter than normal? Someone is trying to sell the fight.

This was what showtime said he weighed for Ocampo months before Mikey challenged him. I can only go by what showtime said he weighed on his way to the ring. If they lied I have no way to know that but why would they lie? At the time Spence fought Ocampo nobody in the world knew Mikey would be fighting Spence in march 2019. I have never heard of Spence weighing in at 166 on fight night. Have you? People like to say Spence is a giant welterweight but the scales say he is just an average sized welterweight who gains a very normal 9 pounds from the weigh in to the the fight. If you have actually knowledge of Spence weighing 166 on fight night and aren't just guessing then what fight was that? Lets just say if he was going into the ring at 162lb in 2015 vs Phil Lo Greco he isnt coming in lighters as he started to strugle to make the weight. Hes coming in around the 165lb range like kell brook. He has said as much in interviews also.

Mikey is not as small as people make out he been in with WW for years and touched up Maidana many times sparing, if Maidana was fighting Spence nobody would say he was too small. Mikey is a very precise boxer, I see Spence just grinding him down with his non stop pressure, but I think the fight will be competitive and not as one sided as people think, its the most intriguing fight for years. Maidana's best days were at 140lb. Not the best example in the world.

So I can understand them wanting the best deal to make the most money they can to support themselves and their families...But why do fan care how much money they make or how much their tickets are? W e celebrate fights not even getting made because another grown man can make huge money not giving us the fights we really want to see..How is that ever a win for us as a fan? what are we getting out of that? Coming from the guy that cared how much money Floyd Mayweather made for years and years and years and years.

These dumb so-called fans being so butt hurt over a fighter being confident he's going to win. Like what are boxers supposed to do/say? Go the Billy Joe Saunders route and claim he's afraid of his opponent (like he did when asked about GGG the first time)? So you want a lightweight, who's the underdog, to tell you the outcome of the fight is going to be an L for him? Don't you know that already? I sure did. But do I prefer Mikey to be confident and express his confidence to the fans? Of course, if not, then wtf are press conferences for? What's pre-fight "build-up" for? Gtfoh with your soft personality bs. That's so dumb, and that's not how things work in boxing. If you want nice personalities, go watch soap opera or something else, not boxing. This sport is not for nice personalities, in this sport you have to be confident in yourself and you have to sell your confidence to the fans. I get where you are coming from, and what you are talking about. I for one am incredibly disappointed this fight happened, and even more disappointed in the fight. The reason why is that we could have seen him in against some really really good fighters, fighters who p4p are better than Errol Spence, but he made no efforts at all to secure those fights. If Mikey Garcia had made a legitimate effort to unify with Lomachenko, or even any of the other monsters around his weight class, you could say yeah. Maybe jump to 147 Mikey. Test the water, see how it goes. Then take a Spence fight, okay cool. But thats not what happened. Mikey wanted Spence because he saw money. He saw a guy we couldn't secure the big fights at 147, and he thought, I can jump up and survive this fight, and make some really good money, and go back down with my reputation and career intact. The problem about that, is he made his really good money by stealing it from the fans in a fight he knew, and you cant say there is anyway that he didn't know, that he was going to lose. For the first time in his career, we saw Mikey really trying to talk trash and to sell a fight, and to try and create controversy. Why? Because he know it was a joke fight. He knew it was a circus. And he was trying to get people to buy admittance to the freak show. We already have a bad enough PPV environment without fights like these (I didn't buy it btw. I chose to watch it the day after). There is no need to further tarnish the image boxing has by staging fights that you can bet your life will be one sided blowouts on PPV. Thats disrespectful to us the fans, to the sport we love, and to the goodwill of the people who pay their hard earned money to watch a fight that they are being told will be competitive. Mikey thought he could go up, survive, make some cash, come back down and resume his career again. He would have an excuse for the loss, and the excuse was going to be the weight. People would have forgiven him, but the way he lose, really revealed what he was doing. Not attempting to make a Lomachenko, because that fight would expose his true skill level. The way he list, was as a result of insufficient skills not size. I am sure they thought they had the skills to look like they were putting up in effort in surviving. But it turns out he didnt. He is being rightfully ridiculed for taking this ridiculous fight.

the fight was like hopkins vs kovalev. kovalev out-skilled hopkins and battered him late. hopkins was in survival mode like mikey was and would rather have seen mikey in compeititive fights, this attitude of lavishing praise on the likes of brook when he fought ggg, khan when he fought canelo is the kind of wrong attitude that leads to these fights actually happening mikey fought to survive, spence snap and speed on his punches was not quite there, probably overtrained. This is also something that isn't being discussed. Spence in all likelihood did this on an off night, where Mikey MIGHT have even had a chance to do something if he actually had tried. Not in terms of winning, but he could have potentially made rounds competitive to some degree. But he didn't try.

He came up from 135lbs, Spence, the best rated welterweight in his prime, had a 10-KO streak going and Mikey didn't even go down or was ever actually hurt from any punch landed. "Surviving" might not mean much to many armchair experts but it is in fact a big deal that a lightweight was able to come up two weight classes, lose every single round, had 1000+ punches thrown at him, an he never was even close to going down. Mikey's stock dropped slightly, but once the smoke clears and Mikey goes down to 140 and dominates, his stock will rise back up. JMM suffered a similar loss to Mayweather and he went down to 140 to get a few wins then KO'ed Pacquiao as the underdog 3 years later and I also thought he beat Bradley, outlanding him in power punches in 9 out of 12 rounds. If you are a world class fighter, and you commit yourself to not getting knocked out, and forgo any attempts at winning, odds are you will see the final bell. Its not a sign of courage, or durability. We have already seen Mikey doesn't have the best chin. He chose to survive. In the later rounds he did it by trying to smother Spence so he couldn't get leverage on his shots. That was smart of Mikey, but he was in survival mode. His only goal was to see the final bell. He wasn't fighting back. Omar Narvaez managed to shell up and survive Donaire without any attempts at fighting back. Nobody lauded his efforts. Why should we laud Mikey for doing the same thing? Its very hard to get someone out of there who is only looking to survives, no matter how good you are. When they are looking to survive, they are mounting no real offence, and giving you no opportunities to capitalize on. You can touch them up like Spence did, but they can smother you and take off the power, they can shell up and block enough and defelect enough that you cant really get anything in flush. Its just how the game works, and its why points can be deducted for failing to initiate contact. Mikey wasn't brave for taking the spence fight. He was incredibly stupid. He wasn't courageous for "daring to be great" when he decided essentially from the 2nd round on that he only wanted to see the last bell. He once again, was naive, and arrogant for thinking there was any way there could be any other outcome to this fight. And he sure has hell never even contemplated that Spence could outbox him. If Spence had gone all out for the kill the entire night, he probably could have gotten Mikeys corner to throw in the towel. He likely wouldn't have knocked mikey down or out as Mikey was hellbent on surviving, and only focusing on defense. But enough shots were slipping through and splitting the guard as to be worrying. Robert Garcia did any interview where he said his father instructed him to throw in the towel, and he didnt. Garcia's own corner was contemplating stopping it. They should have. He took a lot of punishment in the last 3 rounds that he didn't need to take. And it was clear that his skills were good enough to survive. But there was no need to take the beating. Nobody views him as a warrior for doing that. It was actually another profoundly stupid decision from a camp that let Mikey take this profoundly stupid fight. Mikey never had the style for this matchup. He fights off the jab from distance. He will never beat someone of spences side that choses to box from outside and to use their reach on him. I'll go a step further and say that Mikey demonstrated that his timing was a "myth". He hit hard at lower weight classes, never had much activity, and really picked his fights carefully. He looked really good against the level of opposition he fought, but hindsight is 20-20, and there are a lot of very good names around his division, and he has fought none of them. He seems to have received a false boost of confidence from his win over Broner. But we have seen how many times what level Broner actually is? When your best win is Adrian Broner, and you have guys like Lomachenko, Linares, etc around your weight. Id say daring to be great starts with cleaning out your division. He made zero attempts to do such. When his camp said they saw something in spence, we all know what they saw. $$$$$$ Thats it, a chance to cash out in a way they thought wouldn't tarnish his reputation. They took a fight they knew they were going to lose, because they thought they could write it off as spence being too big. But then spence came out and showed that Mikey was just severely deficient in boxing skills.

He came up from 135lbs, Spence, the best rated welterweight in his prime, had a 10-KO streak going and Mikey didn't even go down or was ever actually hurt from any punch landed. "Surviving" might not mean much to many armchair experts but it is in fact a big deal that a lightweight was able to come up two weight classes, lose every single round, had 1000+ punches thrown at him, an he never was even close to going down. Mikey's stock dropped slightly, but once the smoke clears and Mikey goes down to 140 and dominates, his stock will rise back up. JMM suffered a similar loss to Mayweather and he went down to 140 to get a few wins then KO'ed Pacquiao as the underdog 3 years later and I also thought he beat Bradley, outlanding him in power punches in 9 out of 12 rounds. Also, Marquez really tried to win from bell to bell. Even when he got dropped, he didn't go into survival mode. He didn't only hope to see the last bell. He tried his best to win. It proved to be a weight class too high for him, where with his style (which is somewhat similar to Mikeys) he couldn't cope with the reach of a larger fighter like Floyd. Mikey didn't try to win. Thats why this will follow him. He went in to survive.