Let's put an end to this Margarito and plaster nonsense.

If you believe Margarito used rocks in his gloves against Cotto I'm not really sure what to tell you, but how can you say that when there was never anything proven. He celebrated a lot after that win and shook a lot of hands, you mean to tell me NO ONE felt anything? If some regular person hit Cotto with rocks in their gloves (or anyone for that matter), he'd be knocked out. It's hard to believe a hard puncher and trained fighter wouldn't have killed someone if he actually had something in his gloves. Cotto didn't lose because of Margarito having an "advantage". Cotto lost because it was simply just a bad match up for him. He didn't have enough fire power to defeat Margarito and Cotto has proven to not have the stamina to sustain either. I'm one of the few that would go on and say he looked like he was ready for some deja vu in the 2nd fight. Cotto's stamina was once again failing him and Margarito was coming at him, and he once again was fading. Bad eye and all, Margarito was on his way to make Cotto take another knee. As for Margarito's fight with Mosley, Mosley is a proven cheater and he's admitted to taking steroids, so who's to say Margarito wasn't just trying to "even the playing field". I hear idiots on here all the time accuse Pacquiao for using roids (even though there's no proof of it) and say "well Marquez roided up to even the playing field", so for those who say this, do they also say the same for Margarito and that he was just "evening up the playing field", no they don't, such a double standard and hypocritical. I'm pretty sure that the Margarito who faced Pacquiao (motivated, well trained, and had Robert Garcia) would've beaten Shane and Cotto

Comments (20)

Gigantes

I hear you, bro. Much respect. u too man, great points

7y ago

sugar_ray_lenrd

--- what, you ain't bright enough to understand marg weren't fit to fight Mosley after emergency eye surgery only taken so he could pass a physical. Manny said a Marg LHook to the body kept in in bed several days. He never fought at welter again , and all his losses were eye related. Sad to see boxing fans always moaning about crooked boxing can't see a grade school set up, the equivalent of trying to Rob a bank by waking up to the security guard with a dollar bin squirt gun and telling your intentions. You deserve the now fringe sport that you help create. Made the UFC creators a small fortune taking up the slack of what used to be a huge sport. And you ain’t bright enough to realize that MargoCheato got busted by Nazim Richardson with trying to fight with the loaded gloves. This is what this discussion is about NOT about MargoCheato being unfit to fight Mosley. Stick to the Topic. First of all the fight with Manny was at a catch weight 150 lbs, and Manny is still fighting at 147 lbs & Champion at that. As far as Manny saying that he was hit hard by MargoCheato....it still doesn’t change anything he still hasn’t KO or busted anyone’s face like he did to Cotto. And Cotto didn’t bruise easily prior to PLASTER-GATE. And you deserve the D!ckHead Award for supporting a cheater.

7y ago

STREET_CLEANER

I'll spin this even further. In winning, Margo took so much punishment in the Cotto fight that he knew they needed an advantage to win in the Mosley fight. People forget that Margo was MIA for a while as the Mosley fight approached and Mosley was saying that he was scared.

7y ago

Boxingraya

I hear you, and in fact, I told the dude a couple of posts ago that it's not my job to convince him, and that he should believe what he wants. I thought that would end it, but he decided to keep going for some reason. of course its not your job. you do seem to enjoy the challenge though. Like I said already, things aren't always black and white, no matter how much you would like them to be.

7y ago

Gigantes

But you do admit that he attempted to cheat with plaster for the Mosley fight, right? I don't think a good defense is saying, "Well, some people thought Marquez tried to cheat to even the playing field against Pacquiao, so we should overlook Margarito trying to cheat because he was just assuming that Shane would be on PEDs." Come on, bro! Yea, I'll say he attempted to cheat with plaster for the Mosley fight agreed, it isn't the best defense, I was just using it to use the similar type of logic that those who said it first.

7y ago

cork

Coincidence, or what??? I'm not sure why your trying so hard to convince some people who just don't want to see the truth. All the information out there it's either they're going to accept it or flat out deny it and twist reality to make it seem untrue. Don't want to bring politics into a boxing forums but that's why I stop trying to reason with "Republicans " right now. People just see what they want to see and not take things for what they are.

7y ago

Boxingraya

I thought that's what you were looking for. Now you're saying the DOJ that found plaster of Paris means nothing. You aren't being real about this. He had inserts that were laced with this stuff and you're still trying to give him a pass. You're obviously not viewing this in an unbiased way. So forget that OTC Hand creams also contain those elements? Are you sure you aint trying to convince me of some other *****? Let's say cops pull you over for speeding and find a little bit of cocaine. Should we all assume you're a drug abuser or dealer? Maybe you had some passengers in the car recently or some *****. Things aren't always black and white, dude.

7y ago

Boxingraya

lol. Brooooo. Come on, dude. Lots of excuses, but carry on. It's not my job to convince you, and you are welcome to believe what you want. Excuses? I thought you were looking for answers and real information.

7y ago

Boxingraya

You do acknowledge that it was illegal. I think that would mean it's an attempt to cheat, but lets go further because you're giving false information. The wraps were sent to the DOJ and analyzed. Plaster of paris was found. So now given that fact, do you change your mind about whether you believe he was attempting to cheat? A lot of things carry those same elements though. Hand creams for example. Have you ever worked with POP? If you have you probably know that would be a terrible choice to make illegal wraps. That needs to be drying and unmolested to become hard. Pretty impossible to do that while sweating and punching. Also keep in mind you (nor I) know the amount of substance on the insert. Remember, just the fact that a insert is wet makes it illegal. It could have been water and its still illegal.

7y ago

STREET_CLEANER

Margo is a proven cheater. He got suspended for a year with out complaining and his trainer got a life time ban from the US. It is right for any fan to suspect that he used them before. After he got caught he was simply trash.

7y ago

QueensburyRules

The man is guilty. Then answer this: Why has Margarito not gotten 1 ko after PLASTER-GATE? Why hasn't he busted anyone else up the way he busted Cotto's Face since PLASTER-GATE? Why in the Cotto rematch were he was much heavier he wasn't able to bust up Cotto's face as in the 1st fight? I mean he was much heavier than Cotto, Also take note of this; Cotto fought much better & harder hitters than MargoCheato & they never busted his face up. There's too much nonsense going around in here, accusing Naz Richardson of tampering! Un4king believable!!! Answer the Damn questions! --- what, you ain't bright enough to understand marg weren't fit to fight Mosley after emergency eye surgery only taken so he could pass a physical. Manny said a Marg LHook to the body kept in in bed several days. He never fought at welter again , and all his losses were eye related. Sad to see boxing fans always moaning about crooked boxing can't see a grade school set up, the equivalent of trying to Rob a bank by waking up to the security guard with a dollar bin squirt gun and telling your intentions. You deserve the now fringe sport that you help create. Made the UFC creators a small fortune taking up the slack of what used to be a huge sport.

7y ago

Cutthroat

I'd believe it if his power didn't completely disappear after getting caught but it did. 1 stoppage in 7 fights afterwards, he suddenly became feather fisted.

7y ago

Boxingraya

There's no reason for me to try to spin anything and I'm not trying to spin anything. I've never said he cheated against Cotto, nor did I say there was any proof that he cheated against Cotto. But he attempted to cheat against Mosley. Agreed? He was caught with an illegal insert in his wrappings. How much of an advantage the insert would have gave him is unknown. The insert was business card size and not yet hard. It was simply wet. Which is a violation. It's not even known for certain what was on the wraps though. With those being the facts I can't even say he was trying to cheat. His wraps were illegal is all we know for sure.

7y ago

Boxingraya

Why does there have to be a perfect storm? CSAC missed that he had the hardened knuckle pad in the right hand wrap. That hand was wrapped up and when Nasim complained about the hand, they told him it was fine. It was before the left was wrapped when they found out everything. That was for Mosley, so it possibly could have been the same deal with the NSAC and Cotto, especially if Cotto's team didn't send anyone to witness the wrapping, as some on here have claimed (I myself haven't tried to verify that). The only fact you have that proves Tony cheated vs Cotto is that he was caught with an illegal insert vs Mosley. That aint gonna hold up in a court of law, bro. lol. And lets not forget that the insert was caught BEFORE the fight. That means there is actually ZERO proof Tony EVER cheated. Feel free to spin that any way you need to though.

7y ago

Lords

So you're telling me that Margarito used loaded gloves vs an old out of prime Mosley but not against a young prime undefeated champion in Cotto? This logic makes a TON of sense, smh.

7y ago

Boxingraya

Ohhh That's easy....Cotto's Corner, his Uncle funk up, they decided that there was no need to send someone into MargoCheato's dressing room & the rest is history. And let me tell you how it goes down in the dressing room, sometimes (i'm not saying all the times, but i've witnessed this) they don't even feel the fighters hand wraps especially when the fighter is considered the home field advantage as was the case here. The CSAC just sign off on the back of the hand. Remember this was a high profile boxing match. That's pretty convenient, bro. Basically you're saying it was the perfect storm. Tony decided to cheat, CSAC as usual ( I guess) turned a blind eye and Cotto's own corner just watched it all happen and decided not to say a thing until several months later. Cool story bro.

7y ago

monkeyboy

Are you a fighter or trainer? I’m a professional hand detective. Every time I shake hands with people I’m checking their knuckles suspiciously.

7y ago

monkeyboy

My hands are big enough to wrap around to feel knuckles. ‘Knuckles’ is a lucky guy.

7y ago

OCPancho

And did people start being able to walk through his punches and back him up after? Funny how people couldn't do that before. He had two good eyes before. lol In between rounds against Cotto 1, his trainer kept asking how his " power punches" were.

7y ago

Gigantes

Lol I was a real **** disturber one day and commented on a Cotto nuthugger’sYouTube video about the fact that there’s no proof Margarito cheated vs Cotto (the description claimed Margaraito was actually caught vs Cotto). The amount of hate I received was incredible. It’s amazing that when enough people believe something it basically becomes a fact. People are convinced Margarito was actually caught vs Cotto which is basically a made up reality. I was looked at as a complete idiot (and called much worse), because people can’t handle FACTS. There’s nothing to debate here... the ts is 100% right. Facts are facts. green k!!!!!

7y ago