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"Golovkin has fought 6 top MWs" LMAO!!!! Oh please name these TOP middleweights. Show us your great knowledge of boxing by telling us who you think are TOP middleweights Geale, TKO3, ranked #2 MW The Ring, #5 MW Transnational, Lemieux TKO8, ranked #4 MW Transnational, Murray, TKO11, ranked #5 MW Transnational, Stevens TKO8, ranked #9 MW The Ring, Macklin TKO7, ranked #6 MW Transnational. Rosado, TKO7 , ranked #9 JMW The Ring, #10 Transnational, Proksa, TKO5, ranked #10 MW The Ring, #9 Transnational, This was their ranking at the time they fought, given either by "The Ring" Magazine, or the Transnational Boxing Rankings list. You could also add Ishida, who was #11 The Ring at the time of the fight, if you were feeling generous. Now, this isn't to mitigate the threat Jacobs, BJS and Canelo impose to GGG, but a lot of people forget how decent these fighters records were pre-GGG. Geale beat Adama and Sturm, for example. Murray drew with Sturm. Lemieux dominated Guerrero, who had dominated Quillin, and dominated Rosado and N'dam. People forget this stuff... I'm not suggesting they're elite fighters, like Canelo, Pacquiao or Mayweather. But they aren't C level veterans, gatekeepers or hopefuls either. They were all viewed as serious prospects and contenders until GGG bashed them in.

Its comical how the ggg jizzgulpers here manage to defend ggg fighting bum after bum yet if it was an American doing the same or any fighter non European fighter they would have crucified them. Golovkin isn't European, he's Kazakh, which is in Central Asia below Russia and next to China. Also, Wilder gets a free pass but he's only fought 1 top rated HW in the past 3 years. Golovkin has fought 6 top MWs in the past 3 years and still gets crucified. "He a paper champ doe...MW a weak division doe"

Golovkin has fought 6 top 10 MWs against Wilders 1 top 10 HW. I think a lot of people discount the MW division and Golovkin's resume because of the absolute way he has destroyed any and all opposition. He's walked through gatekeepers, titlists and contenders like their punches are papier mache, even fighters other top boxers (lol Canelo) would struggle with. Canelo doesn't TKO Lemieux by the 8th, or put down Geale with a body shot. GGG's a freak of nature.

I think Canelo is too scared to fight any MW at 160. If he fought Jacobs at 155, he wins in 10. It took him 6 rounds to KO chinny WW Khan. But Canelo is a scared coward, who runs from MWs.

He still has a couple weeks to make the fight happen. I just sincerely hope this wasn't all planned long ago and that Canelo secretly agreed to fight Cotto again in September. Don't be ridiculous, Canelo is facing a true threat, someone close to his own size who could really damage him: "AP - Mex: The manager and promoter of the boxer Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez, the well known ex-boxer Oscar De La Hoya, gave a recent frank discussion about his fighters next plans: "Canelo is a good boxer, but he's not a natural 160" said Hoya. "The close competitive fight with the dangerous, iron-jawed Khan has also convinced us that 155 isn't Canelo's natural weight. We've decided to go down to 154 and fight a true contender." There are multiple strong opponents for Canelo at 154, including a rematch with Lara, the Charlo brothers, and Andrade. De La Hoya, however, had something more special in mind: "We've been watching a lot of Golovkin's fights, and were really impressed with the undercard. Roman Gonzalez has a lot of quick movement, deals a lot of damage...we're aiming for a fight at 154 with "Choclatito". It only makes sense - Canelo is rated as a pound for pound champ, and so is Gonzalez."

So just to make sure, please answer simple yes or no, you are saying Macklin, proksa, rosado and Stevens are TOP middleweights? Because that's what you said. (Btw you didn't fool me, you mixed and matched from 6 ranking organizations to try and fit your narrative) Ishida ranked 11 by ring??!! They only rank through ten! Now you are making things up completely Look at all those tkos. Golovkin can't get beautiful flush kos like Mayweather, Jacobs or Canelo I'm not saying they are. But Transnational, an organisation made up of former referees, boxers and journalists says they are, as do The Ring. Who am I to say their opinion is less valid than mine, when boxing is literally their livelihood, not just their hobby? Yeah, you got me on Ishida - that was also meant to be Transnational. I also haven't "mixed and matched". I've tried to corroborate with other sources as much as possible. There was an article about this the other day, actually. If you want KOs, Wade (KO2), Rubio (KO2), Macklin (KO3) - I made a mistake in the previous post, and Ishida (KO3) were his most recent/high profile ones. There's another 10 KOs there I haven't included. As far as I'm aware, Mayweather only got 3 KOs, with the majority being UDs. Canelo has 15 KOs, but he's also fought, professionally, 14 more times than GGG. Jacobs had 8 KOs. So, I don't really know what you're saying. Jacobs has about the same number of fights and straight KOs as GGG. Canelo has more, but has fought another 14 times, and Mayweather has practically none. I know, despite these facts, you're just going to say the opinions I've used are wrong, or the numbers are wrong or whatever. But hopefully I can change your mind, or somebody else's reading this when they're presented with it. Reasonable people still exist!

... right: while he was scheduled to fight Golovkin... Well, as he hasn't fought since 2012, I think we can more than safely not consider it a duck. I think the poor guy really did some damage.

he did kinda beat golovkin psychologically tho. now ggg has to go down to 155 if he ever wants to be the lineal champ, and canelo now has no pressure to fight at 160. smart man if you ask me. Are you seriously suggesting the MW Champion of the World and lineal MW champion, who just gave up his belt, refusing to fight his mandatory challenger is intimidating Golovkin? Canelo is so terrified of Golovkin, but more accurately the loss he represents at 160 that he's willing to face abject humiliation from his followers and nation. GGG just has to unify to become the new lineal champ. It's what Hopkins did. Nobody will consider Canelo the lineal champ after this duck, he will become a footnote in MW lineal title holding history, a bizzare aberration where a man who fought at 155 and defended his title only against a glass-chinned welterweight was, for a short period, the MW champion. Can you ****ing believe that? Canelo can try to negotiate a fight at 155, but Golovkin can just continue on insisting on 160, and it will just look like Canelo talked the talk, ducked, and could never follow through. He would forever be considered a coward, yellow Canelo.

wilder never duck nobody povetkin was caught taking tons of steroids thats why wilder refusing to fight him , they gonna back that ****ing cheater golovkin duck everyone, he duck ward , korvelev , Wilder has fought one top 10 rated HW in the past 3 years. Golovkin has fought (at that time) 6 top rated MWs in the past 3 years, plus the 11th rated Ishida. Geale was #2 at MW when they fought, and GGG demolished him (TKO3). I think GGG has fought more challenges at MW than Wilder has at HW. Gennady has just demolished them so easily it's easy to forget they're top MWs, belt holders and contenders. Also GGG ducking Kovalev? Someone two weight classes above him? By that logic, Mayweather's ducking GGG.

Canelo's own fans have turned against him. Boasting after KO'ing Khan, calling Golovkin into the ring, then handing over his belt, have made him look idiotic and timid. He needs the fight more than Golovkin now. If I was Loeffler I would tell Oscar the terms have changed. GGG is the champ and Canello is the challenger, so it's 160 and a 50/50 purse split. That would be more than fair, imo, and more than Canello really deserves. I think you mean, it should be 90/10 in Golovkin's favour, at a 159.9 CW.

first you guys say Canelo is ducking. You guys say lil G doesn't have to move down to 155 because he's the mandatory to the belt and 160 is the limit. Now lil G has the belt and isn't in the mandatory position. So what's lil Gs excuse for not fighting Canelo at 155 now? Abel Sanchez and lil G have both said they can make 154 easy and that he's a small 160 fighter. Canelo is the A-side and lil G has to concede to his terms obviously. So what's the excuse now for not going down to 155 to make the biggest fight in boxing? So let me get this straight - you see the lineal MW Champ holding the WBC belt, dropping that belt so that he isn't beholden to fight his mandatory opponent a duck on the part of Golovkin? Golovkin could do a voluntary against Canelo at a CW now no belts are on the line, but its quite clear Canelo ducked him at 160.

If it isn't GGG it isn't worth it.

Jacobs in fighting GGG should expect to be paid more than what he got paid for Quillen. You don't claim nobody wants to fight you, then when the best opponent steps up(Jacobs), you try to pay him what you paid, the Wades, Rubios, and Monroes. Jacobs is going to fvck Golovkin up whenever they fight. There will be a whole lot of arse sore people in here. Jacobs got paid $1.5 million for Quillin.

Good fight, I agree. But Golovkin was all over Brook in round 5. Brook said in the interview that he broke his orbital eye socket, from a punch he received in round 2. In round 5, Golovkin was going exclusively to headshots, predominantly on the swollen side of the face, the side Brook kept tapping. I could tell from the swelling, even as an observer, that his eye was getting ****ed - in round 4 you could see nothing but red and brown iris in his right eye. Anyway, Brooks face is getting hammered and for the last 10 or 15 seconds he isn't even trying to fight back or defend. In another 20 or 30 seconds, Golovkin would've dropped him, we all know he has the power and killer instinct. Combined with his broken eye socket, I think his camp were probably trying to protect him, make sure he gets nothing permanent or career ending like blindness or lose the eye. You've also got to keep in mind the boxers are also often too proud to quit until they're taken out on the stretcher. His camp calling it also lets him save face. It was a competitive fight, until that round. I had it 2 - 2, but that round I was giving to Golovkin and expected it to be 10 - 8 in his favour the way it was going. But the risk of life changing or career ending injury is too great. I think it was a good stoppage, ultimately.

That's not a fact, that's your opinion. It's not an opinion, it's a question, which you avoided along with every other point I made. I came into this thread in good faith and see you're just another troll. Yeah dude, another 20 seconds of Brook having his face pounded really would have changed the fight.

fixed for you bud :boxing: No, you've been given the answer - because his corner was concerned for his well-being. You then ask why his corner was concerned for his well-being, and people answer that too - because jn the 2nd, Brook said he was seeing double of Golovkin, which is usually a detached retina or broken orbital. You then say, why didn't the referee ask Brook if he wanted to continue or call a doctor. Well, he would have called a doctor if Brook wanted to continue, but all Brook did was hold his arms out. He didn't have a word with the ref, or shout at his corner. it looked like he was saving face. After all these points, you then say they are opinions, which is true, they are opinions of most likely why the fight was stopped, but you're asking something only Brooks corner knows for sure, so all we can do is assume on the available evidence. You then ignore the fact that pretty much everyone has said the same thing - that in the 5th Brook was taking a lot of damage, and had a medical issue to worry about. I wonder if you're also a creationist or flat earther because you really seem to love avoiding trying to understand evidence.

All im hearing is what if's and opinion's. The point of the thread is: If a fighter wants to continue in a world title fight where he has a chance to go down in boxing history forever, should he not be allowed to decide for himself?? Brook was hit a dozen times without even swinging back, and didn't contest either his corners decision or argue with the ref. The ref can't overrule a corner without exceptionally good reason, and it wasn't there. Brook agreed with the towel.

when was he getting 'battered'? out of the final 10 punches golovkin landed 1 of them, brook was riding with the shots If his eye was so ****ed, why didnt the reff call for the doctor, why didnt he ask brook if he wanted to continue? brook was BACKING GOLOVKIN UP FFS. Would he of got knocked out later? maybe, maybe not. to say you know what would of happened, is not acceptable to me. Brook is fighting, he knows if he can continue, is it so bad TO ASK HIM IF HE WANTS TO CONTINUE?? The Stoppage was BS. To say it's a good stoppage is BS, not a fact and is your opinion. CompuBox states that in round 5 Golovkin landed 30 punches and Brook 6. That isn't someone mustering a defence or keeping someone off him. You're just being overly blood thirsty here, the dude said in the post fight interview he broke his orbital eye socket and was seeing three or five Golovkin's. The boxer is doing his job by fighting, and his camp are doing their job by making sure he doesn't receive a career ending injury. Do you really want to see Golovkin knock someone onto a stretcher so hard their eyeball pops? You're ****ed up man, the stoppage was not BS. Watch round five again closely, especially the last 30 seconds.

You seem incapable of understanding simple points, you appear to be a bit simple so ill try and explain in simple points for you: With hindsight it was a good stoppage At the time it was a bad stoppage. You dont appear to know what hindsight means. Everyone involved the HBO team, brook's father and members of his camp, the fan's, were all bemused to why it was stopped and were questioning Ingle for several minutes after the fight was stopped, Kell himself turned with his arms out asking why to Ingle..he then pointed to kells eye. But hey YOU claim it was not ' weird ' at all....right? apparently you knew better than bernard hopkins and kell and kell's own father, who at the time was shouting at Ingle to not stop the fight. Ingle did not know it was a serious injury at the time... agreed? If he knew the extent of the injury the fight would be stopped in the 2nd. agreed? So we can conclude he stopped the fight because of the swelling. right? Swelling is not enough for a fight to be stopped. Especially considering Brook seemingly wanted to continue, (which is the most important fact) he was having success, it was not a one sided beat down and he had a share of the rounds on the scorecards. Hopkins: ' do you feel the stoppage was warranted, could you of fought on'? Brook: ' absolutely, with a fight of this magnitude, it should of carried on' I have watched the fight 3 times now. As people are re-writing the fight as some kind of terrible beat-down in the last 2 round's, i will briefly summarise: 4th round, is golovkin's, but not totally one sided, brook landed several flush hook's which caught golovkin's attention and he nod's in acknowledgement, when the bell sound's, between the two men GGG appears to be more gassed, he takes several huge deep breaths, Hopkins notices this and also makes the point that the steam has gone from his punches and he is landing 'arm punches' and appears tired. 5th round, Golovkin comes out and starts throwing alot of punches, but missing many Brook is riding with most of the semi landed ones and the only flush shot landed is a jab which snaps brook's head back Brook then motions to say ' is that all you got '? whilst smiling, he is using head movement and seemingly unhurt and moving well. He paw's at his eye, Brook lands several jab's, clinches then throws another 6 punch combination. This is 1 second before Ingle throws the towl in: Golovkin land's a body shot, throw's 3 more shot's, one land's partially the rest miss. *Ingle Throws the towl in* Golovkin then throws several more shots, 1-2 connect out of around 10. during the peroid Ingle is waving the towl, all of which are irrelevant as ingle already want's to stop it. Now we have already made the logical conclusion the Ingle does not know it's a serious injury So concluding, Ingle stop's the fight based on what? A) Brook wanted to continue, he already stated his should of been allowed especially considering the magnitude. B) Brook was not badly hurt nor was he taking a sustained beating, he was throwing shortly prior to ingle waving the towl C) Brook was doing better than we all expected, was not losing 5-0 on the card's and had golovkin's face looking more marked up than his own. D) Golovkin was the more tired of the two, appeared to be arm punching and was missing alot of his shot's This is what im basing the 'weird' stoppage on.....OK? Im going on fact's, not opinions, maybe you should give it a try instead of writing an essay on totally irrelevant ****e about obama? Brook himself let his corner in the 2nd he was struggling. Clearly his corner, like you said, decided to give him a chance. They likely already knew he was risking his eyesight, but knew there was a lot riding on this fight. Much like you said they should, they let the fight go on for 3 more rounds. I don't know more than Hopkins, but he didn't and probably still doesn't know as much as Brooks team does. Likewise, a boxer is going to save face as much as he can. If Brook said "No, they were right to throw in the towel my eye was ****ed" his stock would go down. It's his job to be a fighter, and that's what he did. Here's the 5th round and immediate aftermath: https://streamable.com/fdrw there's 10 seconds where Brook fights back, but none of his power shots connect. Immediately before and after this, Golovkin is going for the kill, and 30 of his punches, 12 of them power shots, connect. Brook only connects 6 jabs in that time. For most of that video, Brook is on the ropes and getting pummeled. Once the towel is thrown, Brook puts his arms up, but he doesn't contest the decision, he doesn't immediately argue with Ingle or the ref, he walks back to centre and touches gloves with Golovkin. He knew it was time himself to give up.

Opinions equate to evidence now? incredible logic. Isnt that exactly the basis of 'creationism' The religious nut's have opinions that equates to evidence, therefore it must be true. Do you not understand irony? Answers cannot be opinions, answers are facts. You seem rather dim good fellow. If Brook really said that in round 2, why was it not stopped there and then? The FACT is it WAS a bad stoppage. You cannot use hindsight now to say well we now know the injury he sustained was bad therefore it was a great stoppage. The corner had NO IDEA it was an injury of that nature at the time, all they knew was that his eye was bruised and he pawed at it several times, is that reason to stop the fight? OBVIOUSLY NOT. So that lead's me to believe they had no intention of A) trying to win the fight and B) Most likely always intended to stop the fight after a few rounds anyway and the injury was the get out clause. Conspiraloon maybe, but perhaps there was always an agreement that he would go a few round's, promote his stock and check out of the fight before thing's got out of hand. Listen with hindsight i agree with the stoppage, im a fan of brook and im glad he will live to fight another day.. before people accuse me of wanting blood/a highlight reel KO. But you cannot act like during the moment it was not extremely weird. Stop trying to be intelligent when you are incapable of it. People form their opinions from evidence. People see things, hear things, or read things, and develop their opinions from that. In this case I saw Brooks face swelling up and him tapping at his eye, and heard him say in his post fight interview he was seeing 3 Golovkin's, and heard him say, in that interview, "I think he broke my eye socket". All of these pieces of evidence I used to create an opinion. Notice how I didn't come up with an opinion then use evidence to make it fit, which is what you're ignorant ass is saying. You clearly never went to university because making a hypothesis fit your conclusion is really frowned upon. You can't have an opinion which amounts to evidence, which is why you're ignorant. Answers can be opinions. "Do you think Obama is a good President?" And the answer "No, because he didn't shut down Gitmo." Is both an opinion and an answer. You're ignorant. Facts can also be answers, but are distinguished because facts can be verifiably true. On this topic you have made, it is impossible to give you a verifiably true answer because we're not part of the team who subjectively decided to throw in the towel. Subjective is important because then there's no objective truth, ie, Ingles would have thrown in the towel due to his own opinions, not facts, anyway. Maybe it wasn't stopped in round 2 because Brook had - as you said earlier - put Golovkin on the back foot and thought he could keep up the pressure. I don't know. It's an opinion based on what I saw. I thought the stoppage was good at the time, and using hindsight, I think it was even better. That is an incredibly professional corner who are really looking out for the health of their boxer. As Brook said in the post fight interview, after round 2 he said to his corner "I'm seeing double of Golovkin." His corner, which would include a doctor, would likely be of the opinion the most likely cause was a break, or detached retina. Those are the most likely causes of seeing double, other than being blackout drunk. Tapping at your eye isn't normal either, even if it hurts. A broken socket causes uncontrollable blinking, and that's possibly why he was tapping it. I dont think it was weird at the time at all. You just seem incapable of objectivity and seeing the fighter you adore was having the stuffing knocked out of him in round 5. It's funny how you say "you cant use hindsight to say the stoppage was good" then go on to say "Listen, with hindsight I agree with the stoppage." which one is it? You can't even stay consistent in what you say. Did you even pass high school? Tell me then, what made you change your mind? And surely if you now agree with the stoppage, with the benefit of hindsight, what makes it a weird stoppage at the time? Or do you think you know more about Brooks health than his corner does, and did, during the fight?

No he's 3/4 African 1/4 Irish. with a British citizenship. He is not "English" Do your homework dood. His mother is Nigerian. His father is 50% Nigerian and 50% Irish with English citizenship. Joshua is, as you say 75% Nigerian, 25% Irish. But, he was born in Watford and lived in the UK since he was 10. Not only does he have citizenship, but he has naturalisation.

Yeah in a fight where his opponent (Wade) probably got between $100-250k. I think $10-15 is reaching to say the least, and I think GGG would kill the negotiations if he tried for that kind of figure. Whilst the promotion may gain momentum, I still don't think it is a slam dunk ppv success. The carrot for GGG is that if he wins he truly will become a crossover star and can then have successful ppv's in the future. Every top fighter needs a launchpad, and it is normally beating an existing name that gets you there. Khan is more of a household name than GGG right now, also a significant chunk of Khan's purse would have come from Frank Warren's bid for the UK tv rights. Plus that fight was far less of a risk to Canelo, and if you really want to get into the nitty gritty of boxing business...that matters! GGG will have to swallow his pride if he wants this fight, he will have to concede a lot, just like Floyd did when he fought De la Hoya a small term sacrifice (was still by a mile his best purse up to that point so not really a sacrifice) turned into a long term gain. Don't forget that $5 million would over double GGG's best purse and is pretty much a retirement fund. $5 million is more than most fighters got against Floyd when he was at the top of his ppv cycle, and think about some of the guys that he fought, pretty much everyone on that list was a bigger name than GGG is now. I think Marquez made something around $5 million against Floyd. Post De la hoya - Canelo, Cotto, Hatton, all made more but they were bonafide draws in their own right, and Pacquiao was obviously a mega fight. Mosley, Maidana, Guerrero, Ortiz, Berto all made less. The same goes for most of Pac's opponents on the same stretch, and in both Floyd's and Pacquiao's case they were selling 800k-1.5 million consecutively for a few years, so I don't know where you guys pull these numbers from. There is no way GGG will see that type of money. Wade got $500k. You're right with a lot of the stuff you say - particularly that Golovkin isn't as a well-known name as Khan. You're also right, on reflecting that $10 - 15 mil would be reaching, and that this should be considered a launchpad. With that in mind, your figure of $5 mil seems a lot more reasonable. Regardless, I think if it goes to purse bid it would be a 55-45 split, so I reckon Golovkin's best bet would be accepting around 66 - 33 split, at 160, for the belts. He'd probably get more than $5 mil from that; the Khan-Canelo fight did something like $18 mil profit off 560k PPVs and the gate. Realistically, I actually see Canelo-GGG doing more PPVs than Canelo-Khan. I think more people actually want to see it, and would be willing to pay for it.

Hopkins created the latest lineal title by being the undisputed champ. If Golovkin also becomes undisputed, I think his claim that he's established a new lineal title is more compelling than Canelo's, who didn't fight a MW for it, and didn't defend against a MW to keep it. Can't really see how you could think otherwise.

bookmarked so whenever I see you green, I'm gonna change that. Clearly, you don't fvck around, do you? Canelo is clearly an internet warrior, but not a fighter like GGG.

There's no way Lemiux, Macklin, and Murray are in the top 5 what bs Not now, but at the time Murray was The Ring's #2 MW, and was seen as a real contender. Lemieux was obviously a title holder and was averaging 15th - 20th in P4P lists. You probably just DKSAB.

If Canelo beat GGG, I'd put him as my #1 P4P unless/until Kovalev beat Ward, in which case I'd amend Canelo to #2 behind Kovalev. Some sources already say Canelo is the #1 P4P and that Golovkin is #3 (with Kovalev in #2). If GGG beats Canelo, on the other hand, where would you guys put him?

Golovkin and his people should try and negotiate a flat fee in my opinion, I think there is a lot of uncertainty around how this fight is actually going to sell to the general public, I am not saying it will sell badly but it is fairly unpredictable. They should try and negotiate a guarantee as close to $5 million as they can, and in this case Canelo's purse which would obviously still carry a guarantee but the amount will depend on revenue. GBP will be confident that it will sell and it is in their control, whilst GGG has to be happy with that amount of money and the shot to beat the biggest star in boxing and put himself on another level. I think this scenario suits both sides. $5 mil is too low. GGG got 2 mil just from freakin' Wade. Khan got about 13 mil versus Canelo. For a flat fee, 10 - 15 sounds about right, this fight would do more than 500k PPVs. Literally everyone wants to see this fight, and casuals would buy it after hearing they're both big hitters and aggressive fighters.

Love it! Cotto has more balls than Triple Flop. Will book this for sure What? Cotto, who ducked GGG for Canelo, and Canelo who ducked GGG for Cotto? You're saying GGG lacks balls in this scenario when he was literally handed a belt so that Canelo wouldn't have to fight him? How can the delusion be this distorted; how can the cognitive dissonance be so real?

If this is true. This why he should have conceded to Canelo's demands. You beat Canelo get a rematch on your terms and make more money. If no immediate rematch wait him out. He will grow into 160 soon. lil g could've use that as his last big money fight and retired. lil g made all the wrong moves. What? GGG was literally handed a belt, and now just needs to get the last one off BJS before unified undisputed MW champ of the world, the first since Hopkins. As you say, Canelo will soon grow into 160, and then he will have to face the undisputed MW champ of the world to try and get any belt...

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