So Golovkin beat Saunders

well ya of course ggg fans wanted him to fight canelo ward is a probable loss. i mean after his long lay off ya of course he was gonna need couple months get down to legit 168 i mean thats not really the reason the fight didnt happen tho. You ggg fans can at least be honest. The fight would of been big would been a ppv both would gotten career high pay days probably double 5 or 6 million a piece but the reality is team ggg knew if they fought ward and lost it would of killed his future earnings thats the reality. It had nothing to do with ward coming in at 170 for his first fight after long lay off before he decided make move to 175 looking for a big fight it was strictly because team ggg was not confident he would beat ward and he wasnt going to make enough money in the fight to make it worth the future earnings he would of lost. the is the absolute truth this idea that the fight wouldnt of generated money or its because ward weighed in at 170 for his first fight after lay off is garbage. i think the thing that is annoying is that ggg fans refuse to admit the real reason the fight didnt happen was team ggg didnt think they would win otherwise the fight happens and ggg beats ward and becomes the face of boxing all these other reasons are all just bs. i just think ggg vs ward is the best fight boxing had to offer. if we get ward kovalev and ggg canelo tho thats a dam good trade off Who you got ward v kovalev? I'm leaning towards kovalev but I like ward. May the best man win. I got the winner as p4p number one

Way more people wanted him to fight Canelo. Who would have thought this aztec warrior would turn into such a joke so fast. Doubt Ward could have stayed at 168 either. He was struggling to make that, and none of these unifications were available. well ya of course ggg fans wanted him to fight canelo ward is a probable loss. i mean after his long lay off ya of course he was gonna need couple months get down to legit 168 i mean thats not really the reason the fight didnt happen tho. You ggg fans can at least be honest. The fight would of been big would been a ppv both would gotten career high pay days probably double 5 or 6 million a piece but the reality is team ggg knew if they fought ward and lost it would of killed his future earnings thats the reality. It had nothing to do with ward coming in at 170 for his first fight after long lay off before he decided make move to 175 looking for a big fight it was strictly because team ggg was not confident he would beat ward and he wasnt going to make enough money in the fight to make it worth the future earnings he would of lost. the is the absolute truth this idea that the fight wouldnt of generated money or its because ward weighed in at 170 for his first fight after lay off is garbage. i think the thing that is annoying is that ggg fans refuse to admit the real reason the fight didnt happen was team ggg didnt think they would win otherwise the fight happens and ggg beats ward and becomes the face of boxing all these other reasons are all just bs. i just think ggg vs ward is the best fight boxing had to offer. if we get ward kovalev and ggg canelo tho thats a dam good trade off

Right....so 2 champions and one guy who really should have been the lineal champion in Murray... That's what you consider fringe top ten contenders ha...dumb as a bag of rocks I see... So you agree with the guy I was replying to? You agree Golovkin has nothing to prove in the middleweight division and should be considered undisputed champion after only beating Murray and Lemieux? Saying Murray and Lemieux are fringe top ten middleweights does not make me dumb as a rock. That makes me very sane and means I am in touch with reality and not in the Gaynaughty g-g-gurgle group.

He would have ALOT left to prove. His biggest wins would be Saunders, Murray and Lemieux. All three fringe top ten contenders who would rate right around the number ten spot. That's not a undisputed champion. Right....so 2 champions and one guy who really should have been the lineal champion in Murray... That's what you consider fringe top ten contenders ha...dumb as a bag of rocks I see...

Who else is there to fight at middleweight? Jacobs? We may see that. But the bigger fights at 168 though right? I really don't get where you're coming from.. Heiland, Saunders, Eubank jr, quillen, Jacobs, Andy lee, centeno, Ndam, khurtsidze, magomedov, Cotto, Canelo, Lara, jermell Charlo, jermall Charlo, martirosyan, Julian Williams, Andrade all come to mind. Those are just the ones that come to mind. So yes there are opponents he could face at middleweight to get some respect. Murray and Lemieux isn't enough for me to consider him the undisputed champion. Besides that Canelo is lineal.

Seriously? Why not man up and just correct yourself on the matter. I'm sick of seeing the false 'fact' spread around that Golovkin was entitled to 45%. I couldn't care less about getting a 'one up' on a random poster on here, especially a desperate one. So you're quoting the mandatory challenger rules, even though the interim challenger rules (that i've posted twice, btw) say an interim champion shall not be treat as a mandatory challenger, instead subject to the terms of the WBC, which i've already posted: Even if the rule applied, you're claiming the WBC would vote to increase Golovkin's share, which is ridiculous. That rule is there in case mandatory challengers are far higher earners than the champions, but doesn't mean the champion is shafted. I've underlined it especially for you. Don't you find it depressing, that you're flying in the face of a literal rule, just to try discredit a fighter you don't like? I'm bored of it now.. but the biggest point that idiot misses is that it doesnt even matter what the "purse bid" split would be, because everyone knew if it went to bid the fight was dead. All that had to happen in the 15 days was for Golden Boy to present an offer to K2. That didnt happen. Period.

No it's absolutely NOT like golf, tennis, football, soccer or basketball. Those are sports where the best must face the best every year and the cream rises to the top. Golovkin has been given his belts on technicalities except for Lemieux which is a B- level fighter anyway. Golovkin was given his belts on technicalities? What kind of stupid fuckwit comment is that? Golovkin won the WBA title in the ring by beating Nilson Tapia. He won the IBF title in the ring by beating Lemieux, and he became the WBC champion by default when Canelo relinquished the title after being ordered to fight him. The reason he became champ by default was that he had already won the WBC interim title, in the ring, by beating Rubio. He earned the right to fight for every title he won by beating all the other contenders for it, whenever they had the balls to fight him. of course.

He would have ALOT left to prove. His biggest wins would be Saunders, Murray and Lemieux. All three fringe top ten contenders who would rate right around the number ten spot. That's not a undisputed champion. Who else is there to fight at middleweight? Jacobs? We may see that. But the bigger fights at 168 though right? I really don't get where you're coming from..

Handed? You try to downplay that he earned those titles fair and square. Sad, I understand you have an agenda against him that can't be reasoned with (same stupid people that try to act like Wade was a fight he should have ignored and get stripped, lol). Nilson Tapia earned that fight when he schooled Jorge Heiland. Golovkin earned that Regular title when he schooled Tapia. What's your point? Should I point out every other interim champ that fought (hint, the vast majority of boxers who fought for an interim title fought no big names)? LOL, you really are full of ****. After his win over Felix Sturm, Daniel Geale shot upwards for most rankings in the top of middleweight rankings. http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine%27s_Annual_Ratings:_Middleweight--2010s There had been no WBA super champion at MW four 4 years when GGG was made mando for Felix Sturm, who was THE WBA MW champ. But Sturm's promotors payed the WBA to bring back the "super" title and award it to Sturm so that he didn't have to fight Golovkin. When Golovkin won the title Sturm had held, which had been renamed "regular title" he should, if he'd been treated fairly, have become THE WBA MW champ. Sturm held the WBA super title for 2 years, with Golovkin pushing to fight him the whole time, till he lost it to Daniel Geale. Geale was then stripped of the super title for refusing to fight his mando. No prizes for guessing who his mando was!

Who did that info come from? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcd8gtTz8B8

From your link "provided, however, that the WBC Board of Governors may by a majority vote, authorize a modification of the division of purse offer proceeds between boxers in a purse offer in unusual or special cases, such as consideration of outstanding marketing value of one of the boxers, as the WBC shall determine in its sole discretion. The modification of the split of the remainder shall be limited to 60-40% and 55-45%, except in the most exceptional circumstances, in which the split may be modified to 50-50%." 2.17 http://wbcboxing.com/downloads/WBC_Rules_&_Regulations_amended_as_of_November_2015.pdf "Special cases", like the Champion vs Interim. Seriously? Why not man up and just correct yourself on the matter. I'm sick of seeing the false 'fact' spread around that Golovkin was entitled to 45%. I couldn't care less about getting a 'one up' on a random poster on here, especially a desperate one. So you're quoting the mandatory challenger rules, even though the interim challenger rules (that i've posted twice, btw) say an interim champion shall not be treat as a mandatory challenger, instead subject to the terms of the WBC, which i've already posted: In its sole discretion, the WBC shall subsequently determine the timing and terms of any bout between a Champion and Interim Champion to determine a sole champion in the division, provided, however, that an Interim Champion shall never be deemed a mandatory challengeror entitled to greater share of proceeds of any purse offer beyond that of a challenger, without a specific prior written order to that effect from the WBC President or his designee Even if the rule applied, you're claiming the WBC would vote to increase Golovkin's share, which is ridiculous. That rule is there in case mandatory challengers are far higher earners than the champions, but doesn't mean the champion is shafted. I've underlined it especially for you. Don't you find it depressing, that you're flying in the face of a literal rule, just to try discredit a fighter you don't like? I'm bored of it now..

So just to make sure, please answer simple yes or no, you are saying Macklin, proksa, rosado and Stevens are TOP middleweights? Because that's what you said. (Btw you didn't fool me, you mixed and matched from 6 ranking organizations to try and fit your narrative) Ishida ranked 11 by ring??!! They only rank through ten! Now you are making things up completely Look at all those tkos. Golovkin can't get beautiful flush kos like Mayweather, Jacobs or Canelo I'm not saying they are. But Transnational, an organisation made up of former referees, boxers and journalists says they are, as do The Ring. Who am I to say their opinion is less valid than mine, when boxing is literally their livelihood, not just their hobby? Yeah, you got me on Ishida - that was also meant to be Transnational. I also haven't "mixed and matched". I've tried to corroborate with other sources as much as possible. There was an article about this the other day, actually. If you want KOs, Wade (KO2), Rubio (KO2), Macklin (KO3) - I made a mistake in the previous post, and Ishida (KO3) were his most recent/high profile ones. There's another 10 KOs there I haven't included. As far as I'm aware, Mayweather only got 3 KOs, with the majority being UDs. Canelo has 15 KOs, but he's also fought, professionally, 14 more times than GGG. Jacobs had 8 KOs. So, I don't really know what you're saying. Jacobs has about the same number of fights and straight KOs as GGG. Canelo has more, but has fought another 14 times, and Mayweather has practically none. I know, despite these facts, you're just going to say the opinions I've used are wrong, or the numbers are wrong or whatever. But hopefully I can change your mind, or somebody else's reading this when they're presented with it. Reasonable people still exist!

So critcise the fighters that allowed the technicalities to happen. There is literally no blame you can put on Golovkin here, even though you want to so much. You put so much expectation on one fighter. The irony here is that posters like you rate Golovkin far higher than most of us on here. A modestly sized middleweight should go to p4p fighter Ward's weight, without hesitation, and fight him? Wow, I don't think hes good enough to do that. I don't think anyone is. Let Golovkin become the undisputed middleweight champion, clear his own natural division. Afterwards you can criticise him for not taking bigger fights. He has nothing left to prove at middleweight when he has all of the titles He would have ALOT left to prove. His biggest wins would be Saunders, Murray and Lemieux. All three fringe top ten contenders who would rate right around the number ten spot. That's not a undisputed champion.

No it's absolutely NOT like golf, tennis, football, soccer or basketball. Those are sports where the best must face the best every year and the cream rises to the top. Golovkin has been given his belts on technicalities except for Lemieux which is a B- level fighter anyway. So critcise the fighters that allowed the technicalities to happen. There is literally no blame you can put on Golovkin here, even though you want to so much. You put so much expectation on one fighter. The irony here is that posters like you rate Golovkin far higher than most of us on here. A modestly sized middleweight should go to p4p fighter Ward's weight, without hesitation, and fight him? Wow, I don't think hes good enough to do that. I don't think anyone is. Let Golovkin become the undisputed middleweight champion, clear his own natural division. Afterwards you can criticise him for not taking bigger fights. He has nothing left to prove at middleweight when he has all of the titles

That's like asking why tennis players and golfers are obsessed with winning cups and trophies. There is no greater thing in boxing than winning world titles. Winning world titles = legacy. If GGG wins all 4 MW belts, being the unified, undisputed MW champion of the world will be a fantastic legacy. And no-one who reads about it or talks about it after he retires will give a **** that "he didn't move up in weight doe" Even you neurotic fools who are obsessed with that now will have forgotten all about it and moved on to some other childish hobby horse in a couple of years time. No it's absolutely NOT like golf, tennis, football, soccer or basketball. Those are sports where the best must face the best every year and the cream rises to the top. Golovkin has been given his belts on technicalities except for Lemieux which is a B- level fighter anyway.

I doubt two people who's job is to write about boxing would be wrong about something like that. Ah the WBC must be wrong then. My bad. I simply forgot they could be wrong when they implement their own rules. Or maybe its the case the two people you talk about haven't noticed the rule change, since its barely used. I wouldn't expect them to know every single rule of 4 major sanctioning bodies. Golovkin was not entitled to 45% as interim champion, simple as

He now has accomplished his strange obsession of having all the middleweight belts. Now what? Will he finally go up in weight and try to have some semblance of a small legacy or will it be too late? His legacy will probably be 'the boxer who had the easiest route to unification/ the guy who won most belts on technicalities.' Why is Golovkin obsessed with belts more than doing great things? That's like asking why tennis players and golfers are obsessed with winning cups and trophies. There is no greater thing in boxing than winning world titles. Winning world titles = legacy. If GGG wins all 4 MW belts, being the unified, undisputed MW champion of the world will be a fantastic legacy. And no-one who reads about it or talks about it after he retires will give a **** that "he didn't move up in weight doe" Even you neurotic fools who are obsessed with that now will have forgotten all about it and moved on to some other childish hobby horse in a couple of years time.

Usually, the purse-bid split between a WBC champion and mandatory challenger is 70-30 in favor of the titleholder. However, when a WBC champ faces a WBC interim titleholder the split is 55-45. http://******.craveonline.com/news/422761-dougies-friday-mailbag-256 The bid amount is split between the fighters, generally a 55-45 split in the case of a WBC title fight between a titleholder and interim titlist. http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_/id/15598415/canelo-alvarez-vacates-wbc-title-deadline-looming Dough Fischer and Fat Dan both saying the split is 55/45 for Champion vs Interim. Well they are wrong. This was the case in the rules a couple of years ago, but the rule has been removed. I literally posted it twice

Laugh at this dumb f@gg0t, everybody It really is such a strange obsession. He chooses being handed belts on technicalities over daring to be great and fighting good fighters. You can call me a f@gg0t but here is billy joe Saunders summing up you and the rest of the gaynaughty g-g-gurgle group Go to 9:03 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LzUpyJDwvv4

He now has accomplished his strange obsession of having all the middleweight belts. Now what? Will he finally go up in weight and try to have some semblance of a small legacy or will it be too late? His legacy will probably be 'the boxer who had the easiest route to unification/ the guy who won most belts on technicalities.' Why is Golovkin obsessed with belts more than doing great things? I've asked this question countless times, you will not get an answer.