I downloaded it in the morning, i ain't staying up til 4 in the morning for a mismatch!
Call yourself a boxing fan.... A fighter from our shores going over to fight a mexican in Las Vegas and you slept through it...u ain't a boxing fan....ur an obsessed over the top tyson fury fanatic who disregards any other fight because tysons not in it ....I will lose you in boxing knowledge
So if someone you're cool with on here wanted to buy insurance would you give them the hookup with a nice Boxing Scene discount?
We have great plans man...yes
I wasn't beating my chest, simply stating a fact. Some people are acting as if this news (if it's even true) somehow puts GGG on an even playing field in negotiations.
It doesn't.
oh I agree he's not on a "level" playing field. Thats why the mando designation was so important. Without it, this fight wouldnt even be in negotiations. But it does indicate (if indeed there is any truthfulness to these numbers) that it isnt a 90-10 fight, its more like a 65-35 or even 60-40 fight.......
keep beating your chest, but the fact remains that the ppv seems to have done about a third of what all the big mouths were saying last week.
So maybe your boy isnt as much of an "a-side doe" as you'd like to think. Granted, he's still a bigger draw, but the "ggg should accept 90-10 split at 155 cause he's b-side doe lalalajajajaaa" nonsense is over
I wasn't beating my chest, simply stating a fact. Some people are acting as if this news (if it's even true) somehow puts GGG on an even playing field in negotiations.
It doesn't.
Even if it only did 300,000 buys that's still double Golovkin's 150,000 (assuming that is the correct number and not 97k.)
Canelo remains the A-side in these negotiations.
Except people with a quarter of the brain realize how finances work.
Lemieux fight paid all fighters on the card a total of $4M, and the event was hailed as a financial success. Canelo/Khan, on the other hand, were guaranteed $16M, without even accounting for PPV share or undercards. If the 330k buys is the correct number, it was a massive, massive flop that cost the promoters millions.
Even if it only did 300,000 buys that's still double Golovkin's 150,000 (assuming that is the correct number and not 97k.)
Canelo remains the A-side in these negotiations.
keep beating your chest, but the fact remains that the ppv seems to have done about a third of what all the big mouths were saying last week.
So maybe your boy isnt as much of an "a-side doe" as you'd like to think. Granted, he's still a bigger draw, but the "ggg should accept 90-10 split at 155 cause he's b-side doe lalalajajajaaa" nonsense is over
If anything, as a public company, HBO's parent should be controlling the release of PPV numbers as it is potentially price sensitive info.
Can you imagine leaving it in Oscar's hands?
I seriously doubt that he will say it has under-performed and particularly when he is allegedly negotiating with K2 as his whole schtick is "A side doe."
He is far more likely to inflate the numbers which, in turn, could potentially mislead the investment market
Even if it only did 300,000 buys that's still double Golovkin's 150,000 (assuming that is the correct number and not 97k.)
Canelo remains the A-side in these negotiations.
Flopul "Flopelo" Floparez vs Gefloppy "Triple Flop" Flopovkin should now be made
Their last PPV's both flopped, next logical fight is versus each other
Lmao......
If anything, as a public company, HBO's parent should be controlling the release of PPV numbers as it is potentially price sensitive info.
Can you imagine leaving it in Oscar's hands?
I seriously doubt that he will say it has under-performed and particularly when he is allegedly negotiating with K2 as his whole schtick is "A side doe."
He is far more likely to inflate the numbers which, in turn, could potentially mislead the investment market
and also dont forget each PPV is different as to what was negotiated for the network. Were they offering the promoter a certain number of guaranteed buys? Were they taking 4%, 5%, or 7% in fees? How much of the pre-fight production costs were they eating vs. what the promoter was paying?
Even knowing the total number of buys doesnt necessarily tell you how much profit (if any) HBO made on the fight..........
Flopul "Flopelo" Floparez vs Gefloppy "Triple Flop" Flopovkin should now be made
Their last PPV's both flopped, next logical fight is versus each other
:lol1: @ Gefloppy
Flopul "Flopelo" Floparez vs Gefloppy "Triple Flop" Flopovkin should now be made
Their last PPV's both flopped, next logical fight is versus each other
For what it's worth.....
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If you believe this you'd also have to believe the 97k number his low number for Berto-Mayweather and his low numbers for Pacquioa-Bradley
Of the numbers are true, I doubt canelo vs ggg does over 1 million ppv buys
Yea I'm basically in agreement with most of what you're saying & I'm not saying that there isn't money with network TV. I'm just saying there is more money in PPV for those certain select fights. And I can't see PPV going anywhere cuz of that money being available in PPV that isn't duplicated elsewhere.
The thing I might disagree with is that PBC might wanna move to PPV for their biggest fights in the very near future to maximize their earnings. At least until they alter the marketplace more from its PPV>Premium Cable>Network TV & Basic Cable money making power structure that boxing seems to follow.
The emphasis is on certain fights; Haymon/PBC/Showtime/etc were confident enough to bid $5m for Deontay Wilder's biggest fight yet, and that's likely the ceiling for regular Showtime cards (we still need to see what Showtime/CBS was willing to lay out for Thurman-Porter, tbh).
Across the entire boxing world, how many fighters are earning $5m per fight? With Mayweather/Pacquiao/Cotto/Klitschko on their way out, the only people in that conversation are Saul Alvarez (subisidzed by the Mexican TV deal) and Anthony Joshua (thanks to Sky Box Office). Beyond that, if given $5m to work with, how many fights out there can you not make?
For this next phase of boxing, PPV isn't really the 'golden goose' for Haymon (at least in the short run); locking in that first $1b content deal is. With the potential for sponsorship opportunity on terrestrial TV, the Haymon model maybe the way forward.
Isn't verified, but I'm hearing #CaneloKhan did 1.35M to 1.45M buys! Will get an accurate number this sat. #boxing #HboBoxing— Rick Glaser (@RickGlaser1) May 11, 2016
but I dont know how trustworthy this dude is.
Why did the tweet get deleted?
I think a lot of people don't think PBC ever intends to do a PPV. Honestly I'm not 100% confident they will do PPV either, but I suspect it'll have to happen at some point when they grow names big enough.
It'll be a long time before PBC is in a situation where they have to go to PPV, which is how things should be, tbh.
Still, people are underestimating the scope of money in play; the UFC got $100m put on what's amounted to 30 shows per year and TUF, yet still kept 10-12 PPVs for themselves. Fox was unlikely to get McGregor or Ronda fighting on their channel, but imagine what they would've been ready to front for Cormier-Gustafson, Velasquez-Verdum or even Johnson-Horiguchi.
Haymon's PBC is going to give a broadcaster (likely Showtime/CBS) the opportunity to pick up most of the meaningful fights in boxing, with the risk of 1-3 of those shows being worth too much to be put on their channel instead of PPV.