Canelo is still Lineal/Ring champ at middleweight

Funny thing is he wanted to figh Cotto a bit more higher than 155 lol... Now he wants 155 or NONE for GGG.

Wins go on records...and a failed negotiation has never went on any fighters record as a win. not a failed negotiation - a straight chicken **** duck of the worst kind, it'll go on his legacy, what's left of it

Why am i a dumb ass? Canelo just ducked GGG

Has Mexico ever had a fighter that has been so scared? I didn't believe that's even possible. At first Cotto paid a million $ so he didn't have to fight GGG, now Canelo vacates the belt because he is so scared. Who would have thought that a Kazakh fighter would do that to these so called proud fighters.

Oh, you're saying that for Golovkin to get the fight, he would have to go to 155, but you're not in favor of that. Fair enough, man. I misunderstood. Yes, it was a weak move. yes thats all i am saying

Larry you dumbass Why am i a dumb ass?

This sounds like you are in favor of a champion acting like an ass and making demands of his challengers. I really can't respect that. If you are the champion, it is a great honor, but a great responsibility. To be the best, you fight the best and not always on your terms. Putting up these roadblocks on purpose is what keeps fights from happening. This is not an honorable tradition to keep going. Hagler gave up all kinds of concessions to Leonard. Should he have? Absolutely not. And it wouldn't be his fault. It would be Leonard's fault for acting like a girl and demanding those concessions. A real man would fight anybody, anytime, anywhere or simply retire, which would be respectable also. All this "I'm the man, so I get my way" sounds like the mindset of a child- not a real man to be respected and admired. By your own admission, this was a cowardly move and should be looked at that way. if you're middleweight champion, you fight at 160. Besides, who else is Canelo going to fight and actually sell big numbers on PPV? IN FAVOR????NO!!!!!!!!!!IT WAS A B1TCH MOVE!!!! just posting facts

Larry you dumbass

Hopkins created the latest lineal title by being the undisputed champ. If Golovkin also becomes undisputed, I think his claim that he's established a new lineal title is more compelling than Canelo's, who didn't fight a MW for it, and didn't defend against a MW to keep it. Can't really see how you could think otherwise.

The very fact that Canelo will most likely still fight at 155 while claiming to be the lineal king is even more pathetic that trying to force defences of that WBC belt at that weight. Look through history, has there ever been a lineal champ that surrendered his actual belt, but claimed to still be the lineal champ and STILL enforced a BS weight clause in his defence of said lineage? Probably not. He continues to disrespect the way the sport works if he takes this angle. Alvarez is a spoiled diva that gets away with murder because he has a powerhouse team standing behind him. He is a manufactured by-product of this era's obsession with the business side of the game. He is no face of the game in my eyes, no matter how many times promo clips try to tell me he is.

I've mentioned this months ago and many of these Golovkin fans didn't even know what lineal is, they thought Golovkin would become lineal if the WBC stripped Canelo. :rofl: ... really? who thought that?....................

The average Larry flip flop here Your first post said Canelo has leverage still, because he remains the GBP-Lineal titlist. Yet this one shows you arguing that it is name value that keeps him relevant, therefore making the titles irrelevant. Which is it? That Roy scenario is a thorn in your side haha. Its exactly the same scenario that Golovkin is in (WBO title aside) but your bias won't let you admit it. I admire how hard you try though. We get it, you don't like Golovkin No biased here at all man...GGG wants ALL the belts at 160 he still has to get the RING title and im sure he wants to be lineal PLUS Canelo is a BIG MONEY FIGHT..thats all i am saying man...trust me they want all of that

Calm down buddy, I don't have a dog in this race. Golovkin is clearly the #1 MW and Canelo's refusal to fight him mitigates the importance of the lineal title at MW. There, are you happy? With that said, I laugh at anyone that claims the lineal title means less than something like the Top Rank belt, I mean the WBO belt. The lineal title indicates that you either won it in a 1 vs. 2 matchup or you are the man that beat the man (that beat the man that beat the man) that did. You pointed out the fatal flaw with lineal titles, even if you didn't mean to. They have two tiers, but no distinction between them is given. If you earn a vacant lineal title, you are the no.1 fighter. Vacant lineal titles are spot on - recent examples are Ward beating Froch, Floyd beating Manny etc. It eliminates all dispute. The Crawford scenario is a little strange in that a robbery was involved, but Crawford was still the no.1 fighter at 135. However, the same 'credit' is often given to non-vacant lineal titles, when they clearly don't necessarily mean as much. Examples here include Stevenson/Dawson, Cotto/Canelo, Sonny Boy Jaro etc. In these scenarios, the title can be passed on from a fighter who isn't the no.1 fighter, to a fighter who also isn't the no.1 fighter. Non-vacant titles can be OK if the lineal champion is still the top fighter. But when he isnt, i think the lineal title should be left vacant when he loses. We really need to start differentiating between these two scenarios

Thing is Dariusz wasnt the cash cow or a big name...thats why i said Canelo has that to negotiate with The average Larry flip flop here Your first post said Canelo has leverage still, because he remains the GBP-Lineal titlist. Yet this one shows you arguing that it is name value that keeps him relevant, therefore making the titles irrelevant. Which is it? That Roy scenario is a thorn in your side haha. Its exactly the same scenario that Golovkin is in (WBO title aside) but your bias won't let you admit it. I admire how hard you try though. We get it, you don't like Golovkin

Same ones he had to avoid Ward. Yeah? When did GGG drop that 168 lb title to avoid fighting Ward? Let the adults talk and get back to the kids table junior.

The vast majority of the time, the lineal title reigns supreme. Sure you have a Zsolt Erdei reign here and there, but in general, it is the holy grail of each weight class. For example, Terence Crawford is going for his 2nd lineal title in as many weight classes vs. Postol. What a load of **** Boxing is about being the best, being no.1. Lineal titles have never set out to crown that achievement. They were an early attempt to divert from ABC titles, but have since been exposed time and time again. Its on you to justify your approach - i.e holding the lineal title to different standards. A title has to be legitimised by the fighter holding it, whether its an ABC title, the GBP title (ring magazine) or a lineal title in its many forms. So let me ask, why do you see being the consensus best, the no.1, as a lesser achievement than becoming a 'lineal' champion (your holy grail)? I'd like to see your justifications

GBP's Ring magazine belt? lol Saul is the magazine champ...wow yea that belt has been hitting the ****ter the last decade plus. When nigel collins(correct me if im wrong on his name) left the ring, most of the cred left with him. How can a boxing promoter own the most prestigious magazine with so much history? I was done with ring magazine when they stripped Rigondeaux. That guy was ducked more than people say GGG is. You cant make people fight you....he lost his belts and GGG keeps getting them handed to him. Oh well. Hopefully we get to see GGG fight someone with a pulse soon and not someone I'd have to google

He's still the lineal champion, but he's ruining its prestige by fighting at catchweights against non-MWs. If Canelo leaves, the winner of GGG/Jacobs/Saunders will be the beginning of a new lineage.

Oscar Owns Ring, of course he is! Ring Belts means absolutely NOTHING! Looks nice though but fighters never even mention Ring Belts lol

Wins go on records...and a failed negotiation has never went on any fighters record as a win. Dunno, Bowe pretty much went into history books as a win for Lewis. Still meme worthy 25yrs later