I loved Marvin Hagler, he was a amazing fighter. Winky does bring something different to the table.
K-Yo That is just plain hating stupidness, everyone knows Winky is not anything like Ruiz.
I think it's a joke that he lost all that money and ended up in debt. Some people don't earn 1 million dollars in a lifetime. I don't feel sorry for him at all because he has done this to himself.
Thats funny Jabs
He had it all and he blew it, if he wants to fight and and try to earn it back i don't care. I certainly won't be paying for any of his fights unless he gets a title shot.
Lennox haters always tend to be Vitali butt crawlers or bitter Mike Tyson fans. Lennox was the best of the 90's and he was English. Accept it people and chill.
Peace.........
Tszyu by devastating KO. Tszyu is naturally used to fighting at higher weights than Corrales is and Tszyu has that amazing handspeed. He would rip through Corrales in no time at all. I hope this is rumour because there are far more worth while fights i would rather see than this blatant slaughtering.
Shane Mosley is a great fighter with tremendous talent. The fight on saturday was amazing, perhaps one of the best i've seen this year. I think he did have more potential in the lower weights but he put up a really impressive performance on Saturday. Winky is a class act and i think he will give many fighters alot of trouble. Put Shane in against another decent 154 fighter and then tell me whether you think this division really isn't him or not.
I fought also...& that's why I have my doubts. Just the opposite of everyone else on here.
Been a fighter yourself helps relate to the punches some of the fighters are taking. Until you have felt some of them you really have no idea at all to the pain a fighter has to endure. When the blood starts pumping you can ignore alot of punches but there are always key timed hits that will always hurt you no matter what.
How long did you fight for?
When didn't he do that?
He doesn't do that always through every single fight. Do you really want me to get all technical and go down to specific rounds and minutes? Because if you do then you know what you can do.
Actually....the fact that you think Winky isn't one-dimensional shows me you have a generic, by-th- books view of Winky.
He doesn't outslick guys.....he doesn't knock them out....he doesn't even knock 'em down.
All he does is do the same thing over & over. It's effective, but also ONE THING.
You think he's multi-dimensional because he doesn't KO anyone. I see this all the time from pseudo-experts.
Did i say he was multi dimensional either? No! But he is definatly not one dimensional either. You keep licking Tito's ass but you'll be exposed as a fraud just like Tito will when he meets Winky.
Peace.....
The only problem with your assertion is that Mayorga was the Third option in Tito's comeback. Tito was scheduled to Fight Mosely, they actually had a an agreement. Winky derailed those plans. Then right after the fight Winky and Tito agreed in principle to a fight. Mosely then excersized his rematch clause, only then did Mayorga become a viable opponent. So don't make it seem as though Mayorga was targeted all along for his comeback.
As a matter of fact, Tito and Delahoya had talks which quickly broke down, but DLH was also in the mix.
I still believe Mayorga was setup for Tito all along and i stand by it. There may have been talks for fights but they were for future fights. What better way to make Tito look spectaculer than fighting someone like Mayorga. Thats my opinion and that how i believe it happened. Don King isn't stupid, he knew the perfect fight all along.
A few (two years) in the late 80's. All amateur.
I know, as much as anyone, the pain a fighter must endure. Why do you think I quit ?
Remember....No lb4lber has ever dropped so HARD from such a questionable-looking punch.
The supposedly fragile Felix Trinidad took far more (& better) punches from Bernard Hopkins before he went down, than did Oscar.
If Oscar doesn't have a glass heart, then he has a glass gut.
I understand what you are saying and respect what you are saying. I think in that fight he had a glass heart, he had a look of uncertain thoughts when he entered the ring. He knew he was going to have a hard time and he did, that knockdown was the perfect escape from more punishment. I can agree with that but discounting the punch as not even knocking him down is harder for me to swollow. You know yourself as you were a fighter that the slightest punch which connects wrong to the stomach can still kncok the wind out of you.
it would be a good thing for tito if winky blocks alot of shots with his arms. it takes the steam out of your punches eventually. thats when your guard goes down cause you can't even hold your gloves up. and with titos power that won't take long. if yuo think that his arms are going to save him i'm afraid your wrong. i think it will help tito get the ko.
I never said his arms would completely save him. His talents and natural ability will prove too much for Tito. Winky is by far the better boxer at this moment in time and i think he'll be too much for Tito. Judging Tito on the Mayorga fight is abit too quick for my liking.
hey man i can tell its pointless trying to debate with this guy winkyfan cause he debates with assumption and heart. the facts are obviously not an option for him. i agree titos performance was very nice. even if it was mayorga. tito will do the talking with the gloves. don't get me wrong i like both tito and winky but winky doesn't have what it takes to beat tito imo. there were options for titos return and mayorga was not a setup from day one. if winky was so interested in fighting tito he would have faught him before mosley 2. i know i know. there were contracts and such. but winkyfan thinks that was a non issue. there were talks for a while about tito-dlh 2. but that really wouldn't make any sense. not a good fight to back from a long layoff.
You are right i am basing that particular fact on assumption and what i heard from a third party source. I am huge Winky fan and i have been for the last 6 years. I have seen most of his career and love watching his fights. Maybe it's because i can relate to him because my boxing style is similar to his. Please don't feel you can't debate with me, i am open minded enough to admit i'm wrong when several people tell me a fact i didn't know.
Peace............
You're just saying that because he can't punch.
He's every bit as one-dimensional as Trinidad is.....except Tito's one dimension gets people out of there quicker.
Winky is a complete fighter who can more than handle the likes of Tito and the amusing part of this is that your right he hasn't got the power and he will still put Tito in his place. Winky is not one dimensional and i would not class Tito as that either. Tito was a very good fighter and a glimse of him showed in the Mayorga fight.
When this fight takes place i'll remember this conversation, then i can start educating you in the sport of boxing. (I'm joking by the way)
It's the weakest body punch knockdown I've ever seen.
I don't care where it landed....it had no mustard, & no impact.
Your body is not your head....where nerve-endings can make glancing blows have serious effect.
This is your body. ORGANS have to get BANGED in order for damage to occur.
This talk of the placement & effect of this punch is a CLICHE.
The punch stunk.
So you are saying Oscar took a dive? I'd like to see how you would have reacted to that punch. Didn't you hear the impact of the blow? Body punches are some of the most painful in boxing, far more painful than the head. Like i said earlier GENUINE KNOCKDOWN.
I'm basing this on a BUNCH of Winky fights !
With Robert Frazier.....McKart (one of the WORST "rivalries" in boxing history)...Vargas.....Mosley.
I guess we have a utter difference of opinion here. I think Winky will beat Tito quite convingly.
You have to admit that Tito does need to prove himself more. How can you tell 100% that the old Tito is really back after a victory over a one sided brawler like Mayorga? That fight was made easy for him.
Tito simply doesn't have the slick boxing skills Winky has. Winky can absorb alot of punishment and take the force of many blows on his arms with his tight defense. Basically Winky is a hard target to hit and i think he will frustrate Tito with his style and that beautiful jab of his. Tito had a good performance against Mayorga and Tito has amazing power in both fists but Mayorga is as one dimensional as a professional fighter gets. Tito couldn't miss him and found combination punching easy on a still target. For years Winky has been avoided and underestimated and now he will finally prove himself as a great fighter. He's tough and has a very stable chin. Shane cannot hit as hard as Tito but he he got some tremendous accurate hits on Winky and he took them and answered back with his own or backed off on the counter. We all know Winky is not the heavyiest puncher there but his accurate consistant punching does enough to chip away at any opponent. Winky will score a UD victory over Tito.
Floyd will beat Gatti. Floyd is too slick and good in every single department. Floyd will outbox him and bust him up. I respect Gatti's heart and toughness but Floyd is the real deal. Floyd - Tszyu is the fight i want to see.
Peace........
If the man wants to come back and earn a living like most men have to do in life then who are we to argue. It's his job and even though i personally don't think he'll be the Unified Champion of the World i still think he could be in with a chance for a title if he fights the right people. He needs his confidence re-building and that may involve fighting a few lower level fighters.
Ahhhh...you've lost this argument, & are now showing that you're a bitch.
Sore loser.
Argument? I thought we were debating. You have your opinion and i have mine. It's just a clash of opinions thats all. Chillout man.
Believe it or not i do respect your opinion but i just don't agree with it thats all.
So...you're admitting Oscar could have gotten up.
This makes him a quitter, right ?
If you word it like that then yes he is a quitter. I have no shame in admitting that because i'm not a Oscar fan, i was routing for Bernard that fight like most people were. The odds were against him before he entered the ring. The only thing he counted on was that Bernard had got seriously old overnight.
Noone but im sure it will be, just stating for future reference.
My bad, it would be a dumb money making thing if they did fight again because after the first fight i cannot possibly see Oscar winning by KO or even points ever this lifetime. Bernard is the Undisputed Middleweight King.
I give Danny Williams a good chance to win this fight. Who on earth would have thought he would beat Tyson the way he did. Some can argue that Tyson hurt his knee but we all know he has been past his best for along time now. Vitali is good in the heavyweight division but he is not unbeatable and i know we will see him exposed very soon. I say if the fight goes beyond 5 rounds then Danny is in with a good chance because if Vitali hasn't hurt him by then Danny will be flowing with supreme confidence.
Eyeh8you If your opinions aren't solely boxing then keep them to yourself please because quite frankly it's offensive. You think your pretty intelligent but from the posts i have read of yours that is far from the truth.
Peace....
The SLIGHTEST punch (which is exactly what Hop hit Oscar with) can knock the wind out of you...
But not knock you OUT....& have you in such DRAMATICS.
Fighters have the wind knocked out of them all the time, but a real pro takes it & doesn't let it show.
Aaaaaaaarrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhhhh thats what i have been saying. I have said that Oscar could have got up and that he was not as hurt as he made out. He wanted a way out and he got one. But the punch still did enough to fell him, he obviously wasn't as mentally strong as he usually is and that can affect how a fighter performs and takes punches.
Exactly, he is a puncher but he is efficient with his punches, barely wastes them.
He is going to waste alot of punches on Winky because if he doesn't he is going to get outboxed. Winky is naturally a defensive master. Besides do you really think Winky will stand there and let Tito fire from all angles like Maryorga did? Because that isn't going to happen.