Did Oscar Take A Dive

DLT21y ago

First of all I really like Oscar, but I do believe he is overated. But I've never questioned his heart and I would never believe that he would take a dive. But it has to make you wonder when you see him and Bernard that close. I remember him giving a interview right before the fight and it seemed like he had Hopkins right up there with Vargas on the hate meter saying that "I've never wanted to beat a guy so bad and I just hate the way he acts and that he dosent carry hiself with enough class to be a champ". He even said that his wife doesnt like him and calls him ugly. Could you picture DeLahoya saying to Bernard that "you know Bernard you could make alot of money with having the DeLahoya name behind you" and Hopkins saying the only way that I would do it if you let me fight you first. DeLahoya probally said no to this, but then got to thinking how much money he could get managing Bernard. Also he would get 30 million for a fight just to take a dive, and he would recieve alot of money for putting together Hopkins-Trinadad, and he could also fight the winner and get even more mone especially if it's Hopkins. I remember first DeLahoha would never talk about Hopkins or that Bernard would be his last fight but know time soon. He was suppose to fight Tito, or if not him, than a rematch with Shane, Vargas, Forrest, or Winky. Then all of a sudden he's moving up to Middelweight to fight Bernard. First he said Middelwieght was to big for him and that he would only fight at 154 or a catch weight. Look at how soon it is after the fight. Most fighters wouldnt even speak to eachother that soon. Bernards not young and dumb. He's been fucked out of money before. No way is he just going to jump in a contract. Do you know how long it takes to get a contract finalized. Do you know how much bullshit you have to go through, and they already got a contract signed and making annoucements this soon, and are at the fights all buddy buddy. Does it look like to you that these guys ever didnt like eachother. Now lets go to the fight. We seen what Hopkins did to Joppy, and DeLahoya doesnt have Tito's power but he chooses to box him from the outside. Remember the whole fight how everyone was wondering why Bernard did not try to force his size, strength, and will on DeLahoya. He didnt even land any solid punches to the end of the fight. Then we all know how it ended. A body punch that looked like it couldnt even break a paper bag. Also dont forget that some people had Oscar winning at the time of the stoppage. Can you picture Oscar planning something telling Bernard "weve been boxing for a long time. We know how to fix a fight with out making it look fake. Just stay on the outside and box me. Let me win some rounds and make it look like I was winning and then you knock me out with a body shot. You cant hit me in the face because it's hard to look real without really knocking me out. But if you do it in the body we could just say you hit me in the right spot. Nobody will question us because Gatti just KO Dorin with a body shot". Didnt it look kind of strange how he went down and stayed down punching the ground and then jumped up as soon as it hit the 10 count. He was punching the ground like damn man. I cant get up. Dorin didnt do that. Virgil Hill didnt do that when Roy Jones hit him. If it's a real punishing body shot it hurts to much to do that shit. It looked kind of fake to me, but I let it go until I seen them last night and all I'm saying is it makes you wonder

Comments (20)

kadyos

If you believe DLH took a dive than you are stupid. I'm not a DLH fan, but he's not the sort of dude to take a Dive against Pac. Why bother training so hard for the fight then? LOL the thread is talking about oscar taking a dive against bhop ha ha.

17y ago

brently1979

If you believe DLH took a dive than you are stupid. I'm not a DLH fan, but he's not the sort of dude to take a Dive against Pac. Why bother training so hard for the fight then?

17y ago

IMDAZED

Last time ? He took the flimsiest body punch I've seen & rolled around like he was hit with a baseball bat. Don't give me the weight issue, either. The punch BOUNCED off of his side. If it was a size issue, the punch should have SUNK into him, or RATTLED his body. It did neither. The man took his money & ran with it. I have been watching boxing for 23 years, & I rate that KO as one of the most questionable I've ever seen. Absolutely Jabs. Someone mentioned that winning would have been more profitable to Oscar. True. But Oscar De La Hoya couldn't beat Bernard Hopkins to save his life. No doubt in my mind he took the money and ran. I'm not so sure why people don't think this is possible. This is BOXING. Sh*t like this happens far more than you could dream of. And Oscar is the sport's biggest name - like Jordan for Basketball. Surprised so many people have forgotten the strange nature of the DLH-Campas stoppage and the over/under for that bout.

17y ago

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17y ago

boxingfan420

This taking a dive scenerio is very possible IMO. But, I don't think Oscar could live with himself for quiting. Besides, he can make money of plenty of fighters not just BHOP. He thought he couldt out outbox the middleweight king, but once he got hit he said F that. Didnt you just watch BHop demolish a tough Light heavyweight? Also, I've been hit in the kidneys boxing once and I fell like a sack of potatoes from a 3 story building. My legs just went dead. It does happen.

19y ago

t_tsuguri

Why would he take a dive!?

21y ago

jujuman

if you really want to know how hard the shot was, look at benards legs and hip area as he throws the shot, they move in the direction of the punch first, this adds a trmendous amount of power behind the shot. Im sure you've all heard of punching from the legs, well thats a good example right there.

21y ago

scap

It is almost pointless to argue the topic, I am not a reporter nor do I pretend to be involved with the big promoters. I do not and will not play make-believe. Sure I could could come back and say "well I am good friends with Don King and have been for years" but sorry I am stating my opinion, not trying to impress you. I do not know Don King and I am certainly not trying to impress you(members of his team is a different story), you brought up a number of things with regards to Golden boy and you were obviously out of your element, just like Donny in the BIG LEBOWSKI. "1god your out of you fuckin element." If you are sure I am playing make believe then private message me, I will give you some background information and some urls which lead to my work. I will also show/tell you exactly what you can expect in the near future from two of the three major boxing promoters with regards to their web presence. I agree the argument is now pointless, just make sure you own up when Goldie is on top of the promotional game. Setting the meaness aside think about Golden boy for a second...he currently has Oscar Delahoya, Marco Antonio Barerra and Bernard Hopkins...Sugar Ray Leonard would have died for the chance/opportunity in retrospect too promote while he was still fighting...Oscar also has a number of young up and comers that will be fighting on HBO showtime in the near future, imagine if Kelson Pinto had pulled off the upset, he would have had the best prospect in the world.(I know if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle). Anyways all fun aside it is nothing short of astounding what Oscar and his team have accomplished in such short time....private message me-I wouldn't mind sharing with you what I am working on...at the very least it will show you that I am no poser!

21y ago

Raymo

i Agree, there was nothing wrong with fight. DLH just couldn't take his power!

21y ago

Raymo

i Agree, there was nothing wrong with fight. DLH just could take his power!

21y ago

The1God

Mab was a hbo fighter your right and he still is, he is just promoted under Oscar now where is the relevance with this remark?. Are you going to hold it against Oscar when he signs Winky Wright or Shane Mosley by saying they were HBO guys before they were with Oscar, does that not count??? I don't mean to insult you but you appear to missing the point. I am very fortunate person in the fact that I get to discuss some of these very same issues with Goldenboypromotions/donking and others. Money is what the fight/promotional game is all about...you would be very surprised as I was to learn about many of the big time promoters in this game that have there checks bounce! You brought up Sugar Ray, He company never reached what Oscar's has and Golden boy has been around for a very short period. You maucked HBO LAtino why? This is how company start out! Before PAcman destroyed Barerra Goldie in his second year a fight promoting had a fighter in the top 5 pound for pound, it does not get any better than that and it certainly does not get any quicker than that. What are you arguing again? Your very first reply was sarcastic referring to Sugar Ray, do you take that back because thats what it sounds like. You don't think Golden boy is giving it his full effort...do you realize that he ahas a very experienced fight team in place headed by Richard Schaeffer and Roy Englebreacht? These guys no what they are doing and they have the financial backing of a multimultimultimillionaire. OScar is at every LAtino show and nearly every telefutura show...did you watch his up and coming superstar Ponce Deleon last friday? HE will be on hbo too someday soon! Yet you talk about Oscar getting a "decent push", show me another promoter who has done more in less time than Oscar...show me, educate me please....he is going as fast as this business will allow! Let me ask you this 1god, who would you rather fight for if you were a world class prizefighter...Oscar/Bernard......Don......Bob...Frank Warren.....who? It is almost pointless to argue the topic, I am not a reporter nor do I pretend to be involved with the big promoters. I do not and will not play make-believe. Sure I could could come back and say "well I am good friends with Don King and have been for years" but sorry I am stating my opinion, not trying to impress you.

21y ago

WillieW

Yeah, think that was a pretty cleen shot and it most likely did hurt him. But that wasn't a show stopping punch. Livershots tend to be more effective a little bit lower and a bit more to the front of the fighter. That shot landed right on Oscars rib-cage. It definately looked like it hurt, but I don't think it was the terminal "Micky Ward" style shot that would end the fight. Oh, the fight was entertaining.

21y ago

jack_the_rippuh

Clean shot... I also liked the fight. Jabs, you don't know what you're talking about..

21y ago

Xecutioner

That punch looks like less & less with each passing shot. C'mon everyone.....look at it....it STINKS. look at the ripple on oscar body after that shot lands and how his body reacts to the punch. remember how fit oscar was for this fight, if this wasnt a real punch it wouldnt make a dent in his body the way that it does. oscar immediately starts covering up his body leaving his head WIDE open, an obvious sign that a body shot has hit its mark. when body shots arent having an effect the fighter will keep their hands up (recent example look at winky vs shane). oscar starts folding up like a lawn chair. just remember that clip is in slow motion, all that happened very quickly. http://69.44.61.80/5/userfiles/4162acea090c4.gif

21y ago

Moon

the knockout blow was certainly suspicious. Exactly. Especially given the steady thumping DLH was getting as the "KO" approached. But, ya' can't ignore that DLH got hit by a leverage hook that "stuck".

21y ago

scap

Ok the namecalling is uncalled for. Pretty sad when you have to resort to that. I will address your points and avoid the childish remarks... First, I hope you are right about Golden Boy Productions. MAB was an HBO fighter b4 DLH stepped in. No, I never said that RJJ Sugar Ray and DLH are equal in $$$$. I could care less who has more money. I am a fight fan. I am a fan for the fighters not who has the most money. I suppose if Bob and King got in the ring that would be better for their fighters too... LOL What I meant (and if you think about it) If DLH stepped out of the ring and devoted his efforts to Goldenboy productions' fighters; Not himself, he could get a decent push for his guys. If you are going to promote fighters, then do it. Oscar has to think about his next fight and not worry about his other fighters. Oh yea, the money :confused: Mab was a hbo fighter your right and he still is, he is just promoted under Oscar now where is the relevance with this remark?. Are you going to hold it against Oscar when he signs Winky Wright or Shane Mosley by saying they were HBO guys before they were with Oscar, does that not count??? I don't mean to insult you but you appear to missing the point. I am very fortunate person in the fact that I get to discuss some of these very same issues with Goldenboypromotions/donking and others. Money is what the fight/promotional game is all about...you would be very surprised as I was to learn about many of the big time promoters in this game that have there checks bounce! You brought up Sugar Ray, He company never reached what Oscar's has and Golden boy has been around for a very short period. You maucked HBO LAtino why? This is how company start out! Before PAcman destroyed Barerra Goldie in his second year a fight promoting had a fighter in the top 5 pound for pound, it does not get any better than that and it certainly does not get any quicker than that. What are you arguing again? Your very first reply was sarcastic referring to Sugar Ray, do you take that back because thats what it sounds like. You don't think Golden boy is giving it his full effort...do you realize that he ahas a very experienced fight team in place headed by Richard Schaeffer and Roy Englebreacht? These guys no what they are doing and they have the financial backing of a multimultimultimillionaire. OScar is at every LAtino show and nearly every telefutura show...did you watch his up and coming superstar Ponce Deleon last friday? HE will be on hbo too someday soon! Yet you talk about Oscar getting a "decent push", show me another promoter who has done more in less time than Oscar...show me, educate me please....he is going as fast as this business will allow! Let me ask you this 1god, who would you rather fight for if you were a world class prizefighter...Oscar/Bernard......Don......Bob...Frank Warren.....who?

21y ago

The1God

No buy the words of your first post you are not aware just how ridiculously wealthy Oscar is. If you think for one second that Roy has Oscar type money your are completey misguided, it is not even close! Oscar has MArco, he has been on HBO twice under Oscar's guidance and I belief this weekend MAB is on PAY PER View. Oscar has done an awesome job starting HBO Latino, the cards have been awesome, and in time fighters that fight on that network will graduate to HBO! Here is yout stupidest comment, saying that if Oscar is going to promote then he should get out of the ring and promote. You idiot, did you take note who was fighting on the Oscar/Hopkins undercard? HE gives many of his young fighters exposure (and will continue to do so)that they would have never gotten under any other promoter. Imagine a young fighter fighting the undercard of Hopkins/OScar....that is promotion dumshit made in large part due to the fact tha that Oscar is still in the ring... I don't mean to be mean but you need to conceed here, you brought up Sugar and RJ as levels of comparison towards Oscars endeavor...they could not be more different...you will laugh about this in a couple years when Goldenboypromotions is at the top, you will laugh and be happy at the same time! Ok the namecalling is uncalled for. Pretty sad when you have to resort to that. I will address your points and avoid the childish remarks... First, I hope you are right about Golden Boy Productions. MAB was an HBO fighter b4 DLH stepped in. No, I never said that RJJ Sugar Ray and DLH are equal in $$$$. I could care less who has more money. I am a fight fan. I am a fan for the fighters not who has the most money. I suppose if Bob and King got in the ring that would be better for their fighters too... LOL What I meant (and if you think about it) If DLH stepped out of the ring and devoted his efforts to Goldenboy productions' fighters; Not himself, he could get a decent push for his guys. If you are going to promote fighters, then do it. Oscar has to think about his next fight and not worry about his other fighters. Oh yea, the money :confused:

21y ago

scap

OK SCRAP time for you to listen..... I am well aware that they are all wealthy. Yes RJJ has money too.... DLH has Money tooo OK, that is fine. I didn't assume that they were fighting for charity nor promoting for charity. If Oscar really wanted to promote his guys better wouldn't he have put them on regular HBO not just Latino? Oh yea the Money :confused: ??? If he is going to promote, then get out of the ring and do it. Devote your time to your fighters.... But as SCAT says its about the money??? :confused: See the point yet? Doubt it No buy the words of your first post you are not aware just how ridiculously wealthy Oscar is. If you think for one second that Roy has Oscar type money your are completey misguided, it is not even close! Oscar has MArco, he has been on HBO twice under Oscar's guidance and I belief this weekend MAB is on PAY PER View. Oscar has done an awesome job starting HBO Latino, the cards have been awesome, and in time fighters that fight on that network will graduate to HBO! Here is yout stupidest comment, saying that if Oscar is going to promote then he should get out of the ring and promote. You idiot, did you take note who was fighting on the Oscar/Hopkins undercard? HE gives many of his young fighters exposure (and will continue to do so)that they would have never gotten under any other promoter. Imagine a young fighter fighting the undercard of Hopkins/OScar....that is promotion dumshit made in large part due to the fact tha that Oscar is still in the ring... I don't mean to be mean but you need to conceed here, you brought up Sugar and RJ as levels of comparison towards Oscars endeavor...they could not be more different...you will laugh about this in a couple years when Goldenboypromotions is at the top, you will laugh and be happy at the same time!

21y ago

The1God

"perfect shot" ?? Not even close. LOOK AT YOUR AVATAR ! The knuckles don't even connect ! LMAO ! Oscar must be KO ticklish

21y ago

The1God

Listen very carefully 1god, how much money do you think Sugar Ray Leonard has, nothing??? Whatever you think I bet it is a lot less so what if he has a few million he would not be willing to part with that to try and jump start a business. How much money do you think RJ has??? not very much...Oscar has hundreds of millions...which mean everything in this business. I would venture too say that he can easily compete with Don and Bob...that 1god is all that matters! Sugar Ray took a dive because of money!!! Oscar's company has only just gotten off the ground and they are ten times the company that Sugar's company was. It is all about money and Oscar has the most of it. Do you get it now...MONEY OK SCRAP time for you to listen..... I am well aware that they are all wealthy. Yes RJJ has money too.... DLH has Money tooo OK, that is fine. I didn't assume that they were fighting for charity nor promoting for charity. If Oscar really wanted to promote his guys better wouldn't he have put them on regular HBO not just Latino? Oh yea the Money :confused: ??? If he is going to promote, then get out of the ring and do it. Devote your time to your fighters.... But as SCAT says its about the money??? :confused: See the point yet? Doubt it

21y ago