I don't think that Pacquiao will be the outright favorire fighter of this match-up from all the boxing experts.
But I think they've all learned to not count Pacuiao out completely just because of size difference.
This would definitely be a tough fight for Pacquiao. Not only does Mayweather have the style to bother Pacquiao and arguably a better skill set than Marquez, but he also has some physical advantages too. He can't be much slower than Pacquiao and doesn't he also have almost a 5 inch reach advantage over Pacquiao?
If Floyd wins...It wont be a shock. Most will say he beat up a little guy or kod a little guy. Personally i think he will lose. But if he does i cant give the bigger man credit for looking impressive. Now if the shoe was on the other foot, i could. Jmm is a great fighter. I will give him all the credit for moving up 3 divisions taking on all top guys champs and beating them deceitfully. If floyd beats JMM and runs around doing it. I will throw up in my pants. This is whats going to happen. JMM will chance him and not be able to do nothing and floyd will do what he does well and make you look bad. If he runs from a little guy it wont help the build up.
That's what I think as well, he really has to make a good statement with this fight. Mayweather said it himself, "He is a good small man but I am a great big man." If he's not the aggressor pushing Marquez back then it will probably take away from thunder from Mayweather especially with casual boxing fans.
The general public doesn't give a shit about boxing. If anybody is talking about Manny Pacquiao on ESPN next Monday, I will have this account banned.
The general public might not care much about boxing but boxing would benefit with any increased interest from the general public.
Although it is an exaggeration to say that Pacquiao is single handedly bringing back boxing to the mainstream, there is no denying that he is doing a great job to help bolster interest into the sport.
listen to roach. they want welterweights to come down to 140.
are you kidding me. why do you think boxers from other countries that are scared stay away from American boxers?
It is also Cotto and Mosley that want to fight Pacquiao to gain a big money fight. Since they are going to be bigger than Pacquiao, it seems reasonable for them to meet Pacquiao at a catchweight.
I think Roach really wants to limit how much weight Cotto/Mosley gain on the night of the fight. I don't know how much weight Cotto/Mosley gain on fight night, but Pacquiao has consistenly rehydrated to 148 pounds versus Hatton and De La Joya. I really doubt Cotto or Mosley would come anywhere near that weight on the night of the fight.
Of course Pacquiao's legacy would be a lot better if he faced them straight up at Cotto's and Mosley's natural weight. A lot would be stacked against Pacquiao in this scenario but if he managed to win, it would really elevate his status as a top fighter.
Back on topic, Pacquiao is really great for the sport because of all the casual fans he attracts. Most may forget about boxing altogether after a Pacquiao fight, but a few might become more hardcore boxing fans and that is always great for the sport.
Roach saw that De La Hoya was no longer as dangerous a fighter as he once was so the rewards of the fight (De La Hoya was the cash cow of boxing) outweighed the risks
It's really amazing to see when you disect the videos. One thing's for sure, Marquez has great timing.
Pac's main combination attack starts off with a jab, straight left hand and a right hook/uppercut hybrid. Notice how JMM waits for Pac's third punch before coming back with his own. Usually against everyone elese, it's the right hand that lands even if the left misses because opponents aren't expecting a third punch. Either that or the left lands first. Marquez, being on the recieving end of this combination time and time again knows this and pretty much times it perfectly. That's why you'll see Pac adjust and throws a jab-jab-left from time to time to break the pattern, in which the left would land flush. I don't think his left hand lead is as effective as Marquez counters in bunches. He doesn't seem to feel comfortable throwing it which might explain why he disposes of it even though it's a very effectve weapon against conventional fighters.
Now, since the third fight with Morales, Pac has been perfecting his own counterpunching. He's got the right hook counter down pat and the counter 1-2-3 is coming along. Still a little green but it's landing more and you can see it in the Hatton fight in the first round. The timing is getting there. Nonetheless, it just rounds him more as a fighter, being able to lead and counterpunch when called upon.
And this is why I think he'll be more convincing in the third fight. While Marquez is showing decline as evidenced of getting hit often and clean, Pac's showing nothing but improvement in terms of timing, power and arsenal. Marquez isn't getting any younger in age nor ringwear while Pac is currently in his absolute prime.
As for the previous reults, people need to let it go. Both fights were close. There was never any robbery nor schooling by either fighter. An argument can be made for the judge in the first fight who readily admitted a scoring error he made, but still it would have been a SD or MD for Pac and the fight remains close. It doesn't matter if half the media though Marquez won the 2nd by hairline since the decision was NOT contraversial and everyone who had it for Marquez did not contest the decision (save for the fans). They found it fair, not a robbery so everyone should just drop it. Pac is 1-0-1 and JMM is 0-1-1 vs each other and that's pretty much the bottom line.
Can JMM win in a third fight? Yes but the intangibales are against him. He's got a fight against Mayweather which is a bout that may take his last legs away from him. He could very well be 37 by the time a third fight ensues and age will take away your reflexes and speed. Without those attributes his chances of beating Pacquiao look very bleak.
Excellent post! Pacquiao will always have the most difficult time with boxers like Marquez but he's still improving and his eagerness to improve himself will eventually give him the edge to beat Marquez more convincingly if they meet for the third fight. Marquez is a great fighter though and he can make adjustments in the ring as he has shown many times before, but like you said he'll probably hit a wall with regards to improvement compared to Pacquiao specifically because of his age.
Pacquiao has recently just moved up and is calling out all the big names.
Heh for the most part I don't think Pacquiao is really calling anybody out, but everyone wants a piece of him for the money they could make against him.
I thought it was pretty funny when Penalosa opened up with a combination and a lone fan stood up and cheered for him. Great to see a fight with a lot of respect shown from both sides--although I doubt there were many Filipinos there at all
Ridiculous amount of punches absorbed by Penalosa. Too bad he didn't have a bit more power to keep JML at bay to make the fight a little more interesting
I think they were betting on JML's stamina and bring him to later rounds but receive too much damage before to do anything...
Yeah, that's what they were planning but JML did not let up much at all throughout the fight. It was a great performance by both fighters
Where are all the Filipinos with their excuses?
Seriously why does somebody always try to instigate stuff like that, just give props where it is due. It was a great fight by JML. Penalosa and Roach had a plan to try to outlast JML, but JML was more than game for it. Penalosa gave it his best, but JML was just a better fighter and he won very impressively.
It wouldn't have mattered if Penalosa got a "lucky" shot in, he landed a few good counters against JML and he couldn't hurt JML. I don't think Penalosa has to power to stop JML with one shot and that was evident in the fight.
There are some parts of the fight (with Pacquiao) that Hatton tried to apply some of the stuff he was boasting about, but ultimately the result of a fight is something like 25%-30% trainer...the rest is up to the fighter.
Yeah it seemed like Hatton tried moving his a head a bit a few times in the fight but Pacquiao was still able to tag him with jabs. And when Hatton tried using his jab, Pacquiao would hit him with a counter right hook so that probably pushed him away from using his jab.