Guys the only people to beat Pac or come close to beating him have had extremely good boxing skills. Floyd has the best boxing skills of any modern fighter.
And I'm in no way dissing Pac, I'm a huge fan and his boxing skills are underrated. But, and this is key, stylistically speaking Floyd is perfectly set up to beat Pac.
Floyd Jr is an extremely good counter puncher, JMM had great success against Pac when he started to time his punches. Expect Floyd to lose the first few rounds, Pac's aggression and workrate will have him in an early lead. But as we've seen on countless occasions before, Floyd will use his defense to hang in there and eventually he will start to counter punch effectively.
Floyd's defense is insane, I don't think enough people realise how hard it is to actually land a punch on Floyd. He works in the pocket like no other, he has an ability to make you miss by millimeters, punches that some onlookers deem to have landed in fact graze off his shoulders, gloves or even sometimes over the top of his head.
There has been a lot of talk about size in the possibility of this fight, size won't matter as much as strength. Floyd has the edge in strength, he proved against Hatton and De La Hoya (at a higher weight than Pac) that he can out wrestle bigger opponents.
Pac's only chance is if he can trick Floyd into moving and covering up by using feints and head movement. If Pac can do this he may be able to land enough to hurt or stop Floyd. If this fight goes to the judges Floyd wins.
I have always rooted for Pac, and I believe I still will when these two meet, but my boxing brain leaves me with no doubt who will win.
We should know come november or december who is better unless Floyd is rusty and loses to Marquez which as good as Marquez is, i dont see happening.
Theres to many of these threads on Pacman v Floyd.
Afloyd fan posts sometin derogatory about pac and he next posy is a pac fan criticisn Mayweather.
Its gettin childish and pathetic. U see the same posters sayin the same shit every thread.
If you read the first post you would realise this thread was intended to be a serious open discussion about this mouth watering contest. I gave my opinion on who I thought would win the fight and backed it up with reasons why.
A lot of good posters have replied with well thought out opinions. There has been some fanboyism, but that's to be expected.
Boring
We should know come november or december who is better unless Floyd is rusty and loses to Marquez which as good as Marquez is, i dont see happening.
Theres to many of these threads on Pacman v Floyd.
Afloyd fan posts sometin derogatory about pac and he next posy is a pac fan criticisn Mayweather.
Its gettin childish and pathetic. U see the same posters sayin the same shit every thread.
lets try not to pretend like david diaz, shot oscar, and hatton are some defensive masters...
point is... marquez is a great boxer, and he gave pacman hell...
what exactly is floyd?
Marquez creates his own offense though. Mayweather does not. Mayweather is gonna try to counterpunch all night, and Pacquiao will outwork him....Marquez doesn't have to fight like a ****
The only thing I fear is that in the aftermath of this matchup Floyd will use the huge amount of hype surrounding Pacquiao as an excuse to call himself the greatest and avoid tougher opponents.
Don't get it twisted, Pac is the hardest fight out there for Floyd
I disagree, Cotto, Mosley, Paul Williams and Margarito (if he ever comes back) are all much tougher opponents for Floyd.
manny pacquiao now is different, you still see the old him
I appreciate his new skills, and he is much more of a boxer than before. But Floyd is on another level in terms of defense and counter punching, two elements that are a stylistic nightmare for Pac.
Floyd gave Corley and Judah the worse beatings of their career at that point....BOTH southpaws.
People are fukking dumb in here........
Judah is bigger...faster...more explosve...stronger and hits harder then Pac.
Pac fights people who are tailored madef or him.......
JMM is a boxer but he throws ALOT of punches and likes to brawl........
Guys like Guzman and Mayweather Pac would be lucky to win rounds aginst let alone the fight.
I think Guzman beats the shit out of Pac and leaves untouched.....
Now imagine a bigger version of Guzman who hits harder and is faster and has better defense.
Floyd is laughing right now...all this Manny hype will make him look like a god...
Hes going To do him just like Gatti..and it will be sad as hell watching Manny get raped....in the biggest PPV mismatch of all time.
Manny just fought 3 tailor made guys.......
De LeZombie.....well what can I say....NO DEFESNE.
Diaz.....A SLOW come first brawler......NO DEFESNE.
Hatton.....a DUMB face first brawler.....NO DEFENSE.
And guys are saying hell KO Floyd the best DEFENSIVE fighter possibly of all time..gtfo.
STYLES MAKES FIGHTS..STUPID FUKKS.
Quite comprehensive!!
Floyd gave Corley and Judah the worse beatings of their career at that point....
People are fukking dumb in here........
Judah is bigger...faster...more explosve...stronger and hits harder then Pac.
Pac fights people who are tailored madef or him.......
JMM is a boxer but he throws ALOT of punches and likes to brawl........
Guys like Guzman and Mayweather Pac would be lucky to win rounds aginst let alone the fight.
I think Guzman beats the shit out of Pac and leaves untouched.....
Now imagine a bigger version of Guzman who hits harder and is faster and has better defense.
Floyd is laughing right now...all this Manny hype will make him look like a god...
Hes going To do him just like Gatti..and it will be sad as hell watching Manny get raped....in the biggest PPV mismatch of all time.
that post is very biased. pac is a complete fighter that can match floyd in every department. southpaw stance will trouble him the way it did against judah. and pac can pressure him the way castillo did in their first fight.
those are the 2 fights that shows me that pac has the tools to beat mayweather. he has the speed and southpaw stance of judah, but at the same time can be agressive like castillo.
i admit pac will be the underdog but we are taliking about pac here. he is a special fighter, just look at his resume.
southpaws can get to floyd, but floyd has a pretty good chin and can recooperate fast. corley was simply outclassed by floyd. i consider floyd and pac to be the same class, so its gonna be a good fight.
They can get to him until he makes and adjustment and adapts to his opponent's tendencies. I highly doubt he jus obliterates Pac but it will be a clear decision or a late TKO depending on how clean Floyd can counter Pac. My opinion may change depending on how the fight in July goes...
Unless he lands clean I don't see Pac hurting Floyd. Floyd has fought stronger men his whole career, took some good shots from DLH,few decent shots from Judah. His chin is durable.
Corley hurt him once and he didn't get tired...Floyd started beating the shit outta him. Stupid Pacquiao fans...
southpaws can get to floyd, but floyd has a pretty good chin and can recooperate fast. corley was simply outclassed by floyd. i consider floyd and pac to be the same class, so its gonna be a good fight.
Floyd gave Corley and Judah the worse beatings of their career at that point....
People are fukking dumb in here........
Judah is bigger...faster...more explosve...stronger and hits harder then Pac.
Pac fights people who are tailored madef or him.......
JMM is a boxer but he throws ALOT of punches and likes to brawl........
Guys like Guzman and Mayweather Pac would be lucky to win rounds aginst let alone the fight.
I think Guzman beats the shit out of Pac and leaves untouched.....
Now imagine a bigger version of Guzman who hits harder and is faster and has better defense.
Floyd is laughing right now...all this Manny hype will make him look like a god...
Hes going To do him just like Gatti..and it will be sad as hell watching Manny get raped....in the biggest PPV mismatch of all time.
I agree with the bolded parts
The only thing that worries me.. is the shoulder roll isnt as effective against southpaws...
and a southpaw like pacman, with ridiculous movement.. handspeed that is just as fast as floyds, legs that are just as fast as floyd.. and FAST straight lefts, could really give floyd problems... I cant wait to see this fight.
I think Floyd will be prepared for southpaws. Before Judah the last decent southpaw he fought was Corley. Mitchell was nothing. And Floyd always makes an adjustment during a fight. When Pacquiao comes in he leaves himself open plenty of times. Floyd will catch him very often if he doesn't stay at bay...
That is right, Chop Chop who is not a big puncher had Floyd hurt twice. Chop Chop got tired, Manny will not tire out like Chop Chop did.
Corley hurt him once and he didn't get tired...Floyd started beating the shit outta him. Stupid Pacquiao fans...
This would definitely be a tough fight for Pacquiao. Not only does Mayweather have the style to bother Pacquiao and arguably a better skill set than Marquez, but he also has some physical advantages too. He can't be much slower than Pacquiao and doesn't he also have almost a 5 inch reach advantage over Pacquiao?
i cant wait for floyd to fight marquez, he will find out what kind of level these two fighters are at right now.
these are his first real fights since castillo. lets see how he does. i doubt it will be as easy as his fans make out.
As a gambler this is what I wanted to have happean. I am going to laugh when I get odds to bet on Floyd for this fight (just watch Manny will be the betting favorite), it will be great~.
This is going to be my first time betting if this fight happens. It will be awesome. :sombrero:
Nice post man. It's what I think too. It amazes me that after the hatton-pac fight, ESPN had a poll of Mayweather vs Pacquiao. The results were around 30-40% Floyd winning and Pacquiao 60-70%. I was shocked.
As a gambler this is what I wanted to have happean. I am going to laugh when I get odds to bet on Floyd for this fight (just watch Manny will be the betting favorite), it will be great~.