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It's just a nickname. Other guys have had the Sugar nickname. Mosley is no Leonard or Robinson, but a HOFer in his own right. There's nothing wrong with Mosley having the nickname. He "deserves" it, whatever that truly means. How on earth is there a stigma attached to the name Sugar? I wouldn't say "stigma"...it's more like "high expectations". You're using the same nickname as two ATGs. SSM sure as hell deserves it!!! Who has he ever ducked? NO ONE!!! Always fought guys bigger than himself. If Pryor were around today, he'd fight him. unlike that other guy with the same name! That other guy with the same nickname offered Pryor a career high payday for a fight. Pryor wanted more money. Of course, in today's boxing forum logic, a verbal challenge in front of cameras means more than, you know, actually negotiating and signing for a fight.

Umm, didn't Leonard fight Hagler coming off about a 2 year retirement? 3 years. Leonard had fought once in 5 years. Leonard did admit that he waited until he saw how Hagler had looked more vulnerable against Mugabi before fighting him. Hagler's legs weren't the same, reflexes were slower, and easier to hit. As it turns out, Leonard-Hagler was a fight between two fighters who had seen better days.

Duran, Leonard, and Hagler are three of the most versatile and complete fighters you'll ever see. Duran and Leonard would be at the top. Duran mixed offense and defense as well as anyone that's fought. Very quick foot and hand speed, terrific combinations, heavy hands, counter punching, upper body movement. After establishing himself as possibly the greatest LW ever, he dominated Carlos Palomino at WW and beat an undefeated Sugar Ray Leonard there. The "Ray fought the wrong fight" thing is way overblown, Leonard was usually a flat-footed boxer who liked to circle, box in a relaxed manner, and open up with combinations. Duran was all over him, managing to be both ferocious and methodical at the same time. Leonard's talent and ability was crazy too. He had good defense, pulling back from punches, staying at range and just moving his upper body to avoid shots. His left hook is one of the most underrated great punches in boxing history as far as I'm concerned. It was devastating. Leonard's power was no joke either, and he was an amazing finisher. Terrific hand speed, foot speed, footwork, stamina. As he showed against Duran in the rematch, and against Hagler, he could fight in a real fleet-footed manner as well. Hagler would be third. Hagler's versatility was pretty amazing too. He could box both lefty and orthodox. He outboxed most opponents with his great jab, nice foot placement, and lateral movement, but came forward mauled Hearns. He was an excellent in-fighter, as Mugabi found out in the latter rounds of their fight. He usually had good parrying skills and head movement. I'll put Hagler below Leonard & Duran for prime-for-prime skills/talent because he lacked the speed of those two. He wasn't slow, but certainly not in their level with speed. Also, he had a pretty underdeveloped/underused straight left hand for a southpaw. Good left uppercut, but the straight left hand was kind of weak. Hearns is the last of this list, but there's no shame in that at all. He didn't have the punch resistance of the other fighters, nor the in-fighting. But he could beat you in different ways. He could stalk and look to destroy you with the right cross, mixing in his devastating left hooks to the body, or box and move and use his range. Fast hands, very rangy. There's a reason why Hagler turned into a bull against Hearns. Because Tommy was so good at fighting from the outside and using his range and speed to outbox opponents. Tommy was beating Leonard on points through 13, and outboxed Benitez as well. He later outboxed an undefeated Virgil Hill.....at 175. The fight with Hagler was about 4-5 yrs too late but even in that fight, Leonard wasn't given a chance. Yet he came out and showed that a great boxer beats a great brawler everytime. Hagler-Hearns was a case where a great brawler (Hagler fought like one that night) beat a great boxer. While Tommy did exchange too much at first, he tried to box midway through the round at range, but Hagler cut him off. For the rest of the fight, Hearns tried to box and move, but Hagler kept getting to him. Hagler was not normally a brawler, he just fought that way against Hearns because he had to, but he probably should've fought more like that against Leonard. He wasn't as aggressive as he should have been, but then again his style usually was more of a patient boxer than a swarming brawler.

Donnie Yen and a Chinese Lou Diamond Phillips? Yes, I know it's not boxing, but I was watching Ip Man yesterday and felt like bringing it up. http://www.screen-power.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/donnie_yen_ip_man_movie.jpg http://entimg.msn.com/i/gal/HollywoodHomicide_Premiere/LouDiamondPhillips_350x435.jpg

Shabazz: I'm tired of you ducking me! Roper: We're not ducking you, you're just so black we can't find you. I envisioned Roy Jones saying this to Antonio Tarver when Tarver crashed Jones's press conference after beating John Ruiz.

Great White Hype was funny. I think a lot of the humor is for boxing "insiders", or boxing nerds like me.

Unfortunately, they are put on PPV. De La Hoya-Campas De La Hoya-Sturm (this was viewed as one) along with Hopkins-Allen 3. Thankfully, Castillo-Lazcano was also put on this card. Barrera-Fana? Ugh.

Who beat him ten years ago when he was an amateur? His mother.

In that two year period, Manny Pacquiao rose from the canvas to stop Serikzhan Yeshmagambetov later on, stopped Emmanuel Lucero with a perfect left hand, bludgeoned Marco Antonio Barrera for 11 rounds, had that exciting draw with Juan Manuel Marquez, and stopped 3K Battery with some really nice uppercuts. Erik Morales had 3 very good fights in 2004 alone, including the FOTY against Barrera.

I'd smash.

Merlot Brougham

Compubox is prone to human error as well. It really shouldn't be taken seriously at all. Come on, did Tony Thompson really outland Wladimir Klitschko? Did Floyd land over 200 punches on Oscar, Oscar 120 on him?

:rofl: at Khan having good footwork. Good footwork is putting yourself in the right positions for offense and defense, not having fast feet and getting the ring cut off on you and trapped on the ropes by Marcos Maidana. Khan has speed and athleticism, but his skills leave a lot to be desired. He needs a ton of work.

Mayweather beats him in pretty one-sided fashion. Khan is not all that skilled for a world-class fighter. He is just speedy and athletic. His footwork, defense and ring IQ are light years below Mayweather's.

140 is an entertaining and interesting division, but not really because of its talent level, which frequently gets overrated. It's more intriguing because of parity, with a few of the top guys being roughly on the same level, resulting in competitive bouts.

Vitali may be the "better" one, but Wlad's resume and achievements are better. Wlad beats way better opposition than his big brother does.

Andre initiated the majority of the clinches.

Would GBP be willing to put Ortiz in there with Mayweather? Correct me if I'm mistaken, but doesn't Floyd work on a fight-by-fight basis with GBP? Arum has been hinting (not so subtly) that GBP is not going to be part of the promotion if Mayweather-Pacquiao happens. GBP will make a lot of money for Mayweather-Ortiz, but it's probably not worth it for them if it's just a likely defeat for Ortiz and then Mayweather goes on to fight Pacquiao and GBP is not involved.

Khan, much like Berto, is a guy who gets by largely on athleticism and speed rather than skills. Khan's footwork is terrible for a world class fighter. His defense and balance aren't good, he's sloppy, and largely appears uncomfortable and "unnatural" in the ring. When you watch top level guys box, there's a level of comfort in there, their movements flow smoothly. Khan seems like more of a "programmed" fighter in the ring. He's been talented enough to get by with his flaws to win a title, but in terms of taking it to another level, he has a lot of improvement to make. And I mean a whole fukking LOT. He's unlikely to be any more than a decent title-holder/champ, IMO.

When did Arturo punch his wife????? He was arrested for domestic abuse (among other crimes) and hit his wife on the night he died as well.

Domestic abuse doesn't mean he hit her, and I'm sure she wouldn't lie about it just because they were fighting. No woman ever does that. He pushed her down the night he died, she said so. I don't see how he refrained from strangling the *****! He got arrested for assaulting his girlfriend a couple months before he died. Then on the night he died, witnesses saw Gatti hit his wife in public. They threw rocks at him in response to him hitting his wife. Then a guy tried to intervene on Gatti hitting his wife and Gatti beat that guy up. It's no secret that Gatti had issues with alcohol and controlling himself when he was drinking. He's just one of many fighters that unfortunately, had trouble limiting his violence to just the ring.

Tim Austin: Article Link - http://www.boxingscene.com/fighting-words-paul-williams-odd-man-out--12422#ixzz1Kc8vT6gP 4. Boxers Behaving Badly, part two: Tim Austin is facing domestic violence charges after a Jan. 26 incident in which the former 118-pound titlist allegedly kicked his wife in the head and punched her repeatedly, according to The Cincinnati Enquirer. Austin turned pro in 1993 after capturing a bronze medal at the previous year’s Olympics. He picked up the International Boxing Federation bantamweight belt in 1997, defending it successfully nine times before losing to Rafael Marquez in 2003 via eighth-round technical knockout. After a 31-month sabbatical, Austin returned, winning twice before making his final appearance in the ring in April 2006, a sixth-round stoppage loss to featherweight Eric Aiken. Austin was acquitted in 2004 on rape charges. Article Link - http://www.boxingscene.com/fighting-words-dropping-crystal-ball-on-2011--34568#ixzz1Kc9HfUna 7. Boxers Behaving Badly, part one: Former bantamweight titleholder Tim Austin has been arrested and charged with felony intimidation of a witness and misdemeanor threatening of domestic violence, according to The Cincinnati Enquirer. Austin, 39, is accused of “threaten to harm his wife after she refused to drop assault charges against his mistress,” the newspaper reported. Today, on Jerry Springer… (Which wouldn’t be too far-fetched, as Springer was once mayor of Cincinnati.) Austin has been arrested twice before for domestic violence, but both times those cases were dropped. Austin left boxing in 2006 with a record of 27-2-1 (24 knockouts).

I don't know if George Foreman hit any of his wives, but he hit some women before and went to court for it. "I was one step away from putting my foot on the man's chest," he recalled. "I thought if I killed a man it would only make me more vicious. After I'd lost to Ali, I'd decided I needed more hate. I'd hit you in the kidneys or on the back of the head. I'd beat women as hard as I beat men. You psych yourself to become an animal to box, and that's what you become. A lion sleeps 75 percent of the day, the rest he eats and breeds—just like a boxer." Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1122690/4/index.htm#ixzz1Kc5QmZb8

Really makes you question how much you can really admire these scum bags outside of the ring. A lot of my favorite fighters are woman-beaters. I don't excuse their disgusting actions outside the ring, but I still enjoy watching them fight. I'm not a fan of them because they are wonderful husbands. And does anyone here have an actual source besides the claim of another user that Chavez ever hit his wife? I've never heard anything about it until reading this thread.And even Michael Spinks for that matter. http://articles.cnn.com/2002-09-25/justice/ctv.penalty.box_1_domestic-violence-charges-outstanding-warrants?_s=PM:LAW Boxer Spinks sentenced to probation Former heavyweight boxing champion Michael Spinks was sentenced to a year of probation after pleading guilty to domestic violence charges dating back two years. Spinks, 46, pleaded guilty September 19 to a misdemeanor count of offensive touching. He was originally charged with felony second-degree assault after an altercation with his girlfriend Nov. 12, 2000. She went to a nearby hospital emergency room for treatment after the incident. Prosecutors later dropped the felony charge after the victim refused to cooperate with authorities, and charged Spinks with third-degree assault, a misdemeanor.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2000-01-25/sports/0001250249_1_doak-walker-tyson-dokes January 25, 2000 Former heavyweight champion Michael Dokes was sent to prison in Nevada on Monday for a night of terror in which he beat and sexually assaulted his live-in girlfriend. A tearful Dokes apologized for his actions, but it wasn't enough to prevent a judge from giving him up to 10 years in prison for an attack that left the victim's face so beaten that an arresting officer said he couldn't recognize her from a driver's license photo. Dokes, 41, who won the WBA heavyweight title in 1982, pleaded guilty earlier to charges of attempted murder, second-degree kidnapping and battery with intent to commit sexual assault for the August 1998 attack in which the victim was held against her will for six hours in the Las Vegas home they shared.

Throw in Uncle Roger to this list as well.

:rofl: at getting your ass kicked repeatedly by your wife.

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Jack Dempsey really was accused at one point of being a paid rapist/de-virginizer at the brothels. It's not some random message board rumor. It's discussed in that Roger Kahn book. http://books.google.com/books?id=rTFBzYEWf5gC&pg=PA144&lpg=PA144&dq=jack+dempsey+rape+brothel&source=bl&ots=7_Ml2_pJa-&sig=ZcEXGJOXq3CAcEiCXq3JOqUhHaU&hl=en&ei=I5W3TfHpKYHUtQPEoNyoAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=rTFBzYEWf5gC&pg=PA150&lpg=PA150&dq=jack+dempsey+rapist+brothel&source=bl&ots=7_Ml2_pK5S&sig=3ePo9iLf2qiHiHjj9bz4goXNsU8&hl=en&ei=TJW3TYSPHIH4swP80-moAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

Totally agree, I think a lot of people on NSB would be shocked as it seems a common belief that boxing is clean on here and no one is taking advantages to win multi million dollar purses and to become super stars...it's human nature to be greedy and push limits and illegal PED's fit that profile too well in all competitive sports. It was like this with baseball and the scandal with juicing. People were so shocked with baseball being filled with juicers, as if baseball was this sport filled with such an honest history. Spit balls, corked bats, greenies, etc... The most famous home run in the history of the sport came after the Giants had been stealing signs for a month on their pennant comeback. Even if not technically against the rules at the time, doesn't it seem a tad dishonest to have a guy with binoculars seeing the signs, relaying the message on a buzzer system to a player, and then having that player let the batter know what pitch was coming? It's like "hey, that new undetectable drug that the doctor made was not on the banned drug list, so how is that cheating?" I'm not watching sports, especially baseball, with the expectations of everyone being squeaky clean. A lot of them may be using drugs to train harder and improve? Oh well. I'm still going to watch the sports to be entertained.