You would probably get much better than that in Manila
That is possible, but also I know there is some sharp money in the Philippines that doesn't give a **** about color (except the color of the money they are counting at the end of the night). So if they are doing that well or better good for them, I am happy I don't even need to get greedy.
what i ask from you is to show me where i killed logic
and all you did was blah blah blah and too much blahs.
Did I not just point how dead logic was to you based on a couple posts of interaction?
Like I said no snappy response? You should just admit you are out of moves, because that is what logic would say based on this response.
What win made him the real deal. a lot of people are hung up on here based on your best win and Golovkin's best wins aren't that impressive in the grand scheme of boxing.
He thrashes guys in one of the three worst division in the sport, so in comparison to other middleweights he is certainly the real deal he is better than any 160 pounder out there. I don't see many guys moving up and beating him,I have been an Andrade guy and I do think the length would be problematic for Golovkin but he would have to be very sharp to really have a shot and not fighting does not make a fighter sharper.
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That was happening way before he fought Pacquiao. They're not booing because they love Pacquiao. They're booing because they don't like Floyd. Quit being stupid.
Which is why he always smiles when he gets booed, he knows those peoples money is in his pocket and more of their hard earned money will be going into his pocket in the future.
What is a better feeling than fanatics paying to see you? Taking money from people that hate you~
Buy time on sports networks to build your guys then have the main fights be on HBO have everyone be on HBO contracts.
HBO couldn't do that because they kept shrinking their budget, you can't embark on a plan like that on a shoe string budget.
you thought that no hoper who fought quillin would back golovkin up.
pretty sure your card on the matter is pulled, bro.
I am pretty sure I said that was what he would attempt to do, and I am sure he would get in because dude was a tough guy who has never been hurt once in his career.
Pushing a guy back doesn't mean winning, it would just be an element of the fight. It could make Golovkin look better than he actually is on the back foot~
Good memory though on that.
I would say Stevenson-Bika is meh, which is fine better than the last guy he fought (low bar but always one I like to use). It doesn't make me think anything differently about Stevenson though, which is the problem.
Stevenson has dug a pretty big hole for himself and while a meh fight like Bika doesn't make the hole worse it is not helping him get out much, although if he does knock him out in impressive fashion on national TV that would help a bit I think.
Last I checked there really aren't that many Dominicans on the Earth, and of that very small percent of the total population of Earth a huge amount make it to pro baseball.
In short it is a baseball factory, but if they are good at baseball they are likely to be good at boxing also due the insane amount of hand eye coordination required in baseball and sharp eyes to me are one of the most under rated things a boxer can have.
Baseball is just a much better deal even if a playing career doesn't work out it is much easier to get a job in Baseball than boxing, how many boxing scouts are there?
I don't know if they are too late or not but it would not have been much easier for them before because they would have had to compete with GBP and Top Rank in a stronger form.
Now probably is a better time for them to come in because everything is in flux, now it would have been a bit better if they were up and running before this but if they do a good job it can be overcome.
The problem is boxing is a messed up game and one that amateurs should tread very lightly in unless they are prepared to take immense financial loses figuring it out. They need boxing people which is why Shaw was important to them for all his flaws Shaw is a boxing guy and can survive in the game as an outsider.
It will get a lot worse before it gets better for them though.
you said he'd back him up, or implied it by saying that golovkin "can't fight when he's backed up."
i remember distinclty having to explain to you that the hardest punching MW on the planet with one of the best chins and jabs in the sport isn't getting backed up by that guy, but you weren't having it.
it definitely left an impression, :lol1:
it was a monumentally stupid take. i usually like you / appreciate what you bring to the table. i'm just being honest in my recollection.
Yea and you were being a total jackass in that thread so, I was using the most obnoxious way of saying that fight might be more competitive than you think. Also how does Golovkin have a proven good chin? I don't even think I would bring up something like that dude hurting Golovkin, that statement was totally about how that dude would try and fight Golovkin as that guy has one way. Being tough and stout he would likely push Golovkin back and since Golovkin is not near as good on the back foot there would be some issues, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have caught a worse beating from Golovkin than he got from Quillin that night.
That conversation did take place, and it was 18 months ago in a nothing fight so yea so I am kind of surprised it came up, but I remember it also and can defend that point.
I feel like Lampley has gotten worse over the last few years. Then all the crying too, wtf is up with that?
I have listened to him for so long, I am also not a big believer in the 3 man both with Max. Lampley with a curmudgeonly bloodthirsty old man provides balance, Lampley with a guy who is alright and is fairly observant in fights but loves to be positive.
So it just becomes a lovefest because Roy loves himself a guy in every fight and Andre Ward while a really good commentator and the most balanced of them all he just isn't opinionated enough to overcome the other two plus he is the new guy.
No balance anymore on the HBO crew.
Peterson's main problem in this fight is that even though he knows the left hook is an issue and he can avoid that, he is actually best in close which brings the left hook into play.
I can tell you Peterson was the better man, I can tell you Peterson did more damage, I can tell you Peterson won his rounds a lot bigger than Garcia's rounds.
I can't tell you he won the fight though, which makes me sad because while in some ways it was a great performance by him (I didn't think he had the discipline to frustrate Garcia like that), but it still comes down to a totally wasted effort. To me if the better man loses like that, that is probably the worst type of loss.
Well for 2015 it is going to be good so just enjoy the moment, when it starts to suck again that is the time to pine for the future. The time to do that was 12 to 16 months ago but boxing survived and most fans did not abandon the sport. So if you survived that ****ty stretch, do up a t-shirt saying how you survived 2014 and remained a boxing fan then just enjoy the ride.
All good things come to an end though, and in boxing usually thing in in flaming heaps~ so like I said enjoy.
That said I don't see why anyone cares about this soap opera. None of the stuff said right now matters at all and certainly from Oscar who is not involved at all.
A lot of you are getting played like fiddles which is common but c'mon some of you guys should be getting this.
Boxing is cyclical in nature and if you don't understand why he did what he did in 2014 and why that will lead to a totally different 2015 from him then you do not understand strategic thinking at all at least in business sense.
Go back and look at all the people that cheered about the Schaeffer incident they should have understood the saying that it will get worse BEFORE it gets better. Well we just went through that worse part and now it is about to get way better, so ****ing enjoy it and quit *****ing because the cycle will only last so long~
I can agree with this. He has just been weird as hell lately with the crying and calling punches that just aren't there. One guy can be banging away on the other and then the guy getting punched will throw a wide ass hook that misses and Lampley will be all, "so-and-so lands a thunderous left hook." I think he is losing his marbles.
The thing that always got me is he has stayed the same essentially and picked up nothing from all the fights he has watched.
He has watched a ton of fights but I have watched damn near all of them for two decades and I have learned a lot over that time about how things go in the ring. He has stayed exactly the same to it is like listening to my sixth grade teacher try to teach me about boxing when I graduated years ago.
The other **** is weird but he is an emotional guy I can accept that and even the company man stuff because it is easy to see where he is coming from and tune that out.
It is just the lack of growth in his boxing knowledge that kills me. In his defense Lampley is not trying to talk to me though and he would probably know someone like me could give two ****s about what he has to say about a fight. So maybe he is not displaying his vast boxing knowledge as to make the audience feel dumb, but I would like to see a lot more of that from him and not just the crying about Gatti.
for what?? it'll just go like this --
Paulie: u see, manny is very limited, u see him getting tag a lot from punches that could be avoided. u see the thing with manny is he just comes straight forward like that, he doesnt move his head or anything.
manny throws a 7-8 punch combo and the crowd goes wild!!!
Paulie: u see what i mean, he's missing a lot of those punches. manny doesnt really have a game plan. he just goes in there and throw punches in bunches and hope he catches u with one. if the fight continue to go this way there's no doubt in my mind that manny will get knocked out late.
manny knocks his opponent out!!
Paulie: pause................................ and this is why i believe he is on peds.
To watch Manny fan flip out over what he would say, I am not that mean even though it would be funny as hell.
They probably will do anything because they lost all their numbers guys.
DSG gone
Broner Gone
Hopkins Gone
Thurman Gone
Those are the guys that came close to a million last year and DSG the only one to get it at peak.
They need fights because they have one major card set up while everywhere else has multiple cards set up.
WTF up is after Wilder/Stiverene? Nobody knows because all those fighters are gone.
But like somebody brought up before. Vanes/Trout seems to be happening... so that could happen on Showtime with Haymon fighters on the undercard
Yea Showtime was Schaeffer's plan when he was gone that was the end of that plan really, partly because the architect was gone and because the situation totally changed.
It will be interesting to see what Haymon and Showtime do, for the next year I think they are working together fairly well. You could look at the falling out with HBO but a lot of that has to do with the arrogance of HBO. Showtime might throw a fit if they lose Floyd like HBO did but considering their history of generally being the second banana they might be able to take a working relationship with another network better, and could HBO keep up with NBC and CBS if they teamed up on boxing. To me that is the smart play, destroy the operation that will not work with you while propping up those that will.
I have wanted to see what it would be like with 3 main players as opposed to 2 but that was mainly for promotional purposes, but another big TV act would create a lot of movement in the sport as well.
I think he'll put most his significant fighters on NBC to make that 20 mil count though
It depends it gives him options, if Showtime really wants to pay for a fight I am sure they can make Haymon listen. If they don't like a fight and mess with him he can just do it on NBC.
Having an ear at both is really key to him because he can get better deal at Showtime that way, and they can pay for the fights they want (at a premium).
As long as he can play both it is good, down the road he might have to totally decide on NBC (say in a year when his big dog no longer has a contract with CBS) but it behooves him to play both for as long as possible.
Well what would Rigondeaux do if there were not so many weight classes, too big for bantam to small for feather. Dudes his size in history have done work at 126, if the dude is the truth dude should be able to handle 126, 130 probably not but I don't think that is out of the question if he is that good but that would probably be a bridge too far against a real top end guy.
Let's just go with Arum is negotiating with Les Mooves the head of CBS.
- would you believe Floyd Mayweather was negotiating the Manny fight with Ted Turner
- Why would the head of CBS only be talking to Arum to make the fight he would be talking to his counterpart of Ted Turner since it would have to be a Co-PPV
-If Mooves is threatening to get rid Floyd/Haymon/Esponiza if the Manny fight doesn't happen why are saying the Cotto rematch will happen.
-since when does a head of a major company negotiate a boxing match he does negotiate Bama vs Auburn now he's a boxing promoter
I would just say the CEO of a media company could be in the business of securing a big event for his properties. Having to cut in HBO hurts but Moonves would also get a ton of credit.
Plus it is a tough deal to work, if he wants that event he has to put in the work and pay the piper.
Molina is just very limited and Broner is a bigger guy than him so being physical with him was not effective. Broner also played it smart he just really didn't do much with it, not really his fault Molina couldn't do anything.
It is to Haymon's benefit to have both sides bidding, bit right now NBCSN is just starting out so he needs to get them onto the program and onto the map with the quickness. He has the guys to do it, but he has to also find a way to keep Showtime happy while this goes on.
So I think a lot of the near term good stuff is going to NBCSN that is how it has to be.
The key for Haymon is getting beyond this first deal with NBC, because if he does good he has them hooked I believe and they could compete with Showtime. People knock the sports network but they threw around a bunch of money to get MLS (which they recently lost the rights to) and the Premier League, that is a serious entity with a lot of money and boxing is a sport they could focus on.
The question is can Haymon keep Showtime happy enough for the next year to 18 months for him to be in the position to really have both sides bidding for his guys (to me that would be his ability to deliver 1 thing and I think he knows that).