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He’s obviously good but not top 3 P4P good. His wins over top 10 contenders are: Donaire Narvaez Payano McDonell Maloney Kono Rodriguez The best fighters around his weight class (115-122) as he was rising through the ranks are Rigondeaux, Estrada, Rungvisai, Gonzalez, and Cuadras. He did this over a span of 5 years. I think he definitely KO’s Gonzalez. Gonzalez just takes way too many punches and relies on his chin way too much. He likes to take his opponent’s 4-5 punches in order to get his 1-2 hard punches in and I think because of this Inoue is all wrong for him. I don’t think Inoue is a guy you want to just allow to hit you. Bro, that's a sketchy thing to say, take 4-5 punches in order to land 1? Besides that second SSR KO has Roman ever even been outlanded in his entire career? Which means he takes ONE to give ONE. But you point I get, I don't think Inoue is a guy you want to allow to hit you and it'd be all wrong for Roman.

In the fights i’ve seen Gonzalez was taking a lot more than one to give one. He got away with it vs many of his opponents, Yafai, Cuadras, Israel, the most telling one I saw other than Rungvisai was against Yaegashi. That was the fight that in my head I was like, man this guy is undefeated and has and has a great chin but he will get KO’ed eventually fighting like this. He still has a great chin even now, it takes a good puncher to crack it even today. But Inoue I think has the power to crack it. Hey I don't think you're wrong but you make it sound like he's some punching bag like Brandon Rios lol. He's defensively responsible but yes does get hit a good amount and take too many punches.

On the. Yegashi fight I thought he showed great skill and was very defensively responsible. This is one of the best breakdowns of that fight I saw. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVsIwmR8K5U

Was he 173? I always thought he was like 168. That's what his trainer Banks just said. Makes you wonder why he never made the cut to 154 to fight all the real talent back in the day when the middleweight division was trash so many years

Please stick to the thread topic, bro. What stars has PBC created outside of boxers built up by Golden Boy Promotions? So 2015 to today? Was Errol ever with Golden Boy? Tank Davis wasn't. I don't think Adonis was ever with Golden Boy either. Same with Sir Marcus.

PBC has created many great stars. Wilder ruled boxing for that period whether you like him or not. Danny Garcia, Shawn Porter, Keith Thurman, Errol Spence are some of the biggest stars in boxing. I know this because you all are the same guys that accuse Bud of ducking them. Leo Santa Cruz was a big star, the fans were going crazy during his fights with Mares. Adonis Stevenson is an icon in Montreal. PBC created Beterbiev too. Marcus Browne will be a big star one day. The Charlo brothers. Ever been to an event at the Barclays center? There's nothing quite like it, I hope everyone gets the chance to go,

And it's just delusional to say that Canelo dominated that fight with no controversy, I definitely agree you could give him 7 rounds, but from round 9 on once GGG started finding a home for that uppercut, I had him sweeping the last 4 rounds. It was clear that the hard thudding jabs GGG caught canelo coming in wth early on impacted canelo more than the body shots because GGG was the one fighting with more energy last 4 rounds of the fight and landing the better shots. Many saw it this way. No problem if you disagree, but to say one guy dominated is just wrong. In my opinion if the body shots were as brutal and damaging as you say they are, GGG would have been stopped or gassed out the last 4 rounds, instead the opposite happened, he rallied hard.

Like 80% of the posters in this forum hate Canelo, man, and, of fact, they don't know anything about boxing. So, what You think, what I.think, it does.not matter. It what it is, You need to understand that, Canelo won, period, all the people wished Golovkin destroying Canelo and in the second Fight Canelo.destroyed and hurted Golovkin so Bad, he face was destroyed, and his ribs too. ​​​​​​ it's boxing, period.... Duran vs Leonard I was too close, at the same level of Canelo vs Golovkin, New York Times said Leonard won the first match, but it was not, Duran won, period... A very close fight but still a win. Its like soccer, it does not matter anything, just the fair win, it does not matter if is close. It's not like they hate him for no good reasons, Canelo brings all the hate on himself. You can't constantly be the only person in boxing with the power to make any fight you want, but always deny the fights the fans want, fail drug tests, do the 155lb bs for all those years, use catchweight and rehydration clauses, put stipulation after stipulation in the contract to put the opponent at a disadvantage, show off your money all the time, talk shit, never give opponents who arguably beat you any respect, never EVER give them rematches the way Floyd and Ward did, and expect not to be disliked. He brings it all on himself.

The media sure was hyping up GGG big time, but no way in hell does anyone get more hype by the media than Canelo

No I bought most of Floyd's fight except Berto. He is what he is. I don't really care what anyone does outside the ring. You notice not 1 time have I ever given Canelo a pass for failing is test??? You don't have to give him a pass or not just saying that's one of the reasons people (legitimately) don't like him. It's a legit reason.

What rematches did you want to see??? Fuk I hope you ain't saying Lara??? Lara talked more sht then what he did in the ring. Sht I remember 1 round he tried superman'ing over Canelo. They tried making Charlo fight. So who did Canelo "duck"?? Really ain't that many great boxer at 160-175. Only one I give the best chance is Bieterbiev and he's fkn HUGE for a LHW...Dude used to fight at HW. At the 2012 Olympics Bieterbiev edged out Michael Hunter but lost again by 13–17 to Usyk. Both of these were in the heavyweight division. He should have given Lara and GGG both rematches, any time a fight ends in controversy the winner should give the loser a rematch. Not saying it was a robbery, but controversy just means that there are many people out there who think the decision went the wrong way. Beterbiev is solid. His win over Gvozdyk was great, that guy put Adonis in a coma. Look, you're allowed to be a Canelo fan, but don't be surprised that a lot of people don't like him. He does a lot of things that turn people off and that's just facts, all the things I mentioned above, the childish excuses after failing the drug test, crying and playing victim when GGG called him out on it, the 155lb thing, saying he wasn't a middleweight as a reason to not fight GGG at fight but then 2 years later now saying he can't make 160, obvious the guy doesn't like people who don't come from his country and is very biased, always showing off his money. These things can be very off putting you know and there's nothing wrong w not liking the guy because of it. It was the same with Floyd, I was never a big fan of his personalty, grown men don't boast about their cars/watches/clothes, but I at least recognized how good a boxer he was. Canelo is a great boxer too just not a Floyd's level.

First I don't remember any CW's being for a belt except maybe Cotto and Khan Cotto wanted it and Khan NEEDED it. I wish Brook got the same vs. Ggg. Agee the media don't like Canelo and adored ggg. Mayne he learned how to show is money off from Floyd? What has ggg done to get a 3rd fight? Since he RAN out the ring like a POOR sport he's been fighting straight BUMS. And when he did fight a guy with a pulse alot of ppl he felt ggg lost. Canelo mean while has been fighting undefeaund champs. GGG done nothing to deserve it, but they shoulda done the fight next. Fight ends in controversy, you do a rematch, period. He did learn to show off money from Floyd and that's why a lotta people don't like him. I'd even guess you didn't like Floyd because of that but give Canelo a pass? I don't know but ether way I don't care much for Floyd personally because of it and don't like that Canelo does it either, only little immature boys do shit like that, not grown men.

Almost EVERY trainer and fighter had Canelo winning the 2nd fight. Fuk the media!!! Bunch if fat dan's. The media LOVED GGG. And was falling over head and heels for him. Canelo doesn't speak good English and comes off as a dic at times to the media. Google what Charlo, Spence, Roy Jones said after the ggg 2nd fight. They CLOWNED the SHT out of ggg and his "Mexican" style that he forgot overnight during the fight. Half these RTARDS IGNORE Defense. Making GGG MISS almost 650 times is GREAT defense.. Making a guy completely change how they fight is ring generalship. Accurate hard punching again goes to Canelo. He had a VERY high connect % and threw way more power punches, combos, and BODY punches. GGG threw very little combos and sure as sht practically ZERO body punches. You know why ggg refused to do combos and body work??? If this was basketball we would be referring to ggg as LeBRICK throwing up all them GARBAGE shots missing 650 times... Ohh GGG own TRAINER told ggg he was LOSING and he thought the judges did a good job... Lol what media and what fans? How many Khazakstani boxing fan friends do you have, and be honest? I have zero. You? I don't even know a single white person that gives a shit about boxing.

Probably BJS, a very good one, but not a great one. Remember this guy almost lost to Willie Monroe.

I would give GGG a lot of credit for taking the fight but he would get beat bad. That charlo jab would be too much for him.

Who cares who he called out,he hasn't been interested in being the B side to the more popular fighter with more belts & names on his resume,ggg called out Ward then ducked him too. I don't care what fighters say as much as who they fight. Fact is Bud is 33 & hasn't fought an elite ww except C level Horn whom most thought robbed pac w hometown ref/judges. You're just ignoring the power dynamics in boxing. You can't have a debate if you pretend that doesn't exist. Period. Bud works for a promoter, Spence works for a promoter, GGG works for a promoter. GGG and Eubanks fought under a promoter who would work with both of them. That's how we know GGG ducked that fight. Again I ask you when has Bud ever ducked an opponent with a promoter who we know easily makes fights with Bob Arum? Doesn't happen. Bud is a victim of the politics of boxing, GGG is a cherrypicking hype job,

So you're claiming the rd Canelo landed the most power shots in is why its a robbery?This despite ggg losing the championships rds every time hes stepped up in competition,& on all 3 cards to top it off.(including the judges who had ggg winning anyways,even they had him losing championship rds) I dont care what the compubox says, I watched that round more than once. Canelo was clearly fatigued, GGG was landing the better harder shots by far. In the whole fight, most of your so called body shots were just hitting his arms and elbows. Same as the Lara fight. But the new rule for scoring a canelo Alvarez fight is that jabs don't count but blocked body shots do.

Your favorite fighter chose to reward this fool.

There are a lot of guys who if things were fair or different might have changed their legacy but it's really impossible to win against an A side and only Canelo has proven that even as the B side he has the cards on his side. Some of his cards are a huge stain on the sport and anyone with with unbiased eyes can see it.. You don't get outboxed like 10-2 or even at best 8-4 and magically pull a 114-114 card like he did against Mayweather. You also don't lose an easy scored 8-4 at worse 7-5 fight and somehow manage to magically pull a 118-110 card against GGG. Even in the rematch Canelo got the benefit of doubt because "he did better" which is all he needed to do to win. More people still believe GGG won or it was a draw than Canelo actually winning. Even if you were a big GGG hater and thought Jacobs beat GGG it doesn't change the fact more people thought GGG beat Canelo the second time around than Jacovs beat GGG. And THEN, to top it off Canelo claims he hated GGG so much for calling him a cheat he wanted to cut his head off but when offered another chance to do so he was literally too afraid to fight outside Vegas. Hilarious ****. This is the truth. I do think Canelo is a great boxer, but is he the undisputed p4p king so much better than all these other guys? No of course not, how can you say that when there's 4 guys who clearly proved they were on his level. You can't find 6 rounds to give to Canelo in the first fight. And in the second fight, nobody has yet been able to explain away what happened in round 12. A round GGG clearly won but 2 of 3 judges gave to Canelo. The 2 judges who not so coincidently scored the fight for Canelo 7-5. I'm still waiting for the Canelo fans to explain away his magic trick with the coin but they won't do it. It's either the best luck in the sport of boxing or corruption. But they can't admit it.

Paul Andrade keeping it straight G haha. But I gotta say I like Canelo's trash talking in English. That shit was funny as hell by both guys.

How come BJS gets all this credit but Postol, Indongo, Gamboa, Horn don't? They were also undefeated champions, but everyone calls them bums. Why is Saunders great for the resume but not those guys? What did Saunders do to earn it, beat flat footed basic David Lemieux?

Charlo or Andrade should've gone up in weight a long time ago to take that belt. Now, BJS is getting that payday. They did do that though,

This is what Andrade needs to do to get the fight. His promoter, Eddie Hearn, shamefully abandoned him. Look after tonight I think Canelo is the pound for pound best and probably even a slight favorite over Andrade. But shame on Eddie Hearn, Andrade signed with him to get the canelo or GGG fight and instead Hearn doesn't want this fight to happen.

Because Frank Warren owns the WBO. Zurdo dropped the belt to move up to 168, so Frank made a phone call. It happens constantly. It's how guys become multiple weight champions without ever fighting any champions (Andrade) Just disgraceful that you can reward a cheat who cheated your own organization

Didn't mean to come aggressive here, I just honestly think that Crawford could have done so much more already (without dissing his resume). I think he beats Spence and tops at 154. I was super impressed after he beat Prescott, came out of nowhere for me. Still waiting for big signature fights, hopefully they come before he declines. Agree, Canelo passed him on my pound for pound list tonight. If Bud wants to take it back he has to fight Porter or Spence.

True. He's a very whining kinda annoying mfer doe. But yea you gotta push things harder at this stage of ones career or you just get forgotten & never get the big sexy payday. This is just what he has to do and even if you are a Canelo fan you have to admit it was pretty funny seeing his dad call Canelo out and then having Canelo talk shit in English.

Bro you literally think a guy that went life and death with porter and couldn’t KO a fat Mikey would give a full blown middle/super middle weight trouble I’d understand if you were saying charlo, and benavidez I can’t take anything u say seriously good luck with life Errol Spence wouldn't, but you know who would? Terence Crawford. Terence Crawford and Canelo have 1 common opponent. That common opponent is Amir Khan. Canelo was thoroughly outboxed by Khan before he caught him with a great shot. But Terence Crawford was outboxing Khan every second of their fight. And I do mean every second. At 160 Canelo will not be able to deal with Bud Crawford's hand speed, his lateral movement, ring IQ, assassin mentality, and switch hitting. Terrible style for Canelo. Crawford is just too fast too smart.

You a clown for just recently saying"why don't you say anything good about my favs who deserve it" then coming at me w this bs,as I said you obviously don't know who tf your talking about because I have been saying for quite some time that Mell is the real one of the 2,& the 1 whos about it, you're the jackass who always attaches some dumb ass narratives to go along with whatever opinion I have on any given day,you psychoanalysing my post now ffs:wtf: As I said, you don't know wtf you're talking about,I talk boxing regardless of who it is,& I didn't just suddenly wake up & come to this conclusion (I've even made threads about this before several times) I aint never said anyone just started liking Mell now. He's been saying good things about Canelo for a while now, either way if Jermell Charlo was the one at 160-168 trying to get a fight with Canelo Alvarez, I do not believe you would be saying these things about him. Notice I said BELIEVE, I'm not putting words into your mouth, that is just my belief based on everything I seen the way you treat top fighters who try and get a fight with Canelo Alvarez.

The over the top hate for Bud, and to some degree Loma and Fury, has always come from Canelo fans who feel threatened by other people listing those guys with or above Canelo as far as pfp goes. I really like Canelo. I think he's great. Love how he loves golf now too, as I do. I can relate to him in a lot of ways, especially that one. I do think he has some special juice however. But he is still a great fighter. Facts Mell charlo is exactly what they want in a talented fighter, someone who is just going to stay in his lane, admit that Canelo is pound for pound number 1, and never try to get.a fight with Canelo Alvarez.

I literally said as I always do that Crawford is much better than Mell,but now you act like nobody can discuss what bs p4p rankings are without being told that I'm only saying this because of Canelo(Bud & Canelo are not linked,Canelos already ranked at the top by everyone,it amazes me u think I gaf about that bs ,how many times have I said directly to you that Crawford is definitely elite & skillful,but hes wasted his prime like ggg but to a lesser extent at least.(he should be fighting the top fighters) I will be the 1st one there to proclaim him deserving of his position if he finally beats Ortiz or Porter by outclassing them(as long as he wins clearly)(Or Spence obv) You can't act like nobody can discuss p4p from fear of pssing off Bud fans You want to make a deal, the deal is this then. When he beats Ortiz and Porter, you have to admit that he has a good case for pound for pound 1. If Canelo embarrasses Billy Hoe this weekend I will do the same.