I also thought Floyd vs Cotto at 154 was a damn good fight for Floyd to take. He is not a 154 pounder and it showed by Cottos ability to outmuscle Floyd easily in that fight. Floyd won big i think but he had to work his ass off for it.
I'm actually a fan of Martinez, but I only included that to show how ridiculous it looks to nitpick a fighter's record, and how the unending criticisms lobbied against Pacquiao are not applied to other fighters.
I don't agree with (criticisms lobbied against Pacquiao are not applied to other fighters) this statement. Floyd is often criticized for his competition although aside from Pac I think he has been taking the best fights he could. Sergio Martinez is criticized for constantly calling out Floyd and Pac and he should be. Those 2 are much too small to fight him unless they drain him to near death, and were they to win under those circumstances they wouldn't get much credibility from it anyway. Up until the Froch fight Bute was criticized, as was Calzaghe his whole career and in my opinion with good reason. Pac is taking a pretty good fight right now against Bradley in my opinion. Hard to call who's gonna come out on top in that one.
sorry but i cant agree with you saying Martinez couldnt eke a win over Cintron. He dominated Cintron the whole fight. Knocked him out only to have the ref start the fight again, and should've got a huge decision win. At least 10 rounds to 2
I dont think it will happen cause I just dont see arum giving in to the blood testing demands. I would love to see it just cause those are the two best fighters in the world at the moment, and in the same weight class. That doesnt happen very often. I think May wins a decision against pacman just cause of his ring intelligence. Pac would put up a hell of a fight though and both would have to put forth there best performance ever to win.
I say that for the last 2 Pac fights those compubox numbers were terribly unfair to the fighters he was fighting. No way Bradley or Marquez got outlanded by such wide margins.
I voted for Dirrell. Too fast, much better defense, and I also think when he sits on his punches he hits harder. I think it's funny people saying if Dirrell was to stand and fight instead of holding Froch he would end up like Bute. When they fought the first time after he had the point taken in the 10th round. He stopped holding and was hurting Froch bad. If he fights like that I think Froch ends up like Bute. I still thought he won the first fight, but it's a win on Frochs record anyway.
I'm predicting Bute to control the early exchanges banking early rounds, middle rounds close, and the last 2 or 3 rounds Frock takes over. I think it will go to the score cards where we will see a majority decision win for Bute prob something like 114-114 116-112 116-112.
I honestly think if the fights scores are that close Froch takes it. Homecourt advantage did him some favors against Dirrell, and Bute won't be the exception. Bute had better dominate like Ward did or get a KO to be sure.
No same result again.
Off subject but you're honestly the only person I have ever seen who lists Joshua Clottey as one of their favorite fighters. I'm shocked, never thought I'd see it. When he throws punches he's fun to watch because he has great power. Just doesn't throw enough for my tastes. Not trying to take shots at you bro just genuinely would like to know what you like about him?
It's actually pretty impressive how far Froch has gone because I don't think too highly of him either. I expect him to lose to Bute and start winding down his career. He's done well for himself.
I think Froch has very overrated power. Last person he knocked out was Jermain Taylor who hasn't been able to take a punch since Pavlik.
I'm guessing you meant me? I've followed Clottey's career for years and have always respected him. He's a very skilled fighter with good defense, it's just in the big fights at times due to the way he was taught and trained he does everything safety first and it costs him in close fights. It's not that he doesn't have the heart, it's just that he's afraid to do something "wrong" so to speak. Just wish he'd fight more often. But I see your point. Clottey isn't all that popular.
I can't help but feel if he would've thrown more punches he would've definitely beat Cotto. Might have been able to beat Pac too, because Pac couldn't touch him and whenever he did throw he seemed to hurt Pac. On the thread subject nothing I saw today convinces me that Froch could come any closer to beating Ward then he did the first time. Ward can take a punch (doesn't have to cause his defense is far superior to Bute), and he's just technically way to good for Froch. When you can beat the #2 guy in your division with 1 hand I would hate to see what you do with 2 of them.
All three are highly decorated pro's with stellar amateur credentials. Who out of the 3 do you view as the best boxer along with possessing the highest ring IQ? If there is anyone you think is smarter post them
Before the Cotto fight I definitely would've said Mayweather because he was always very safe, and smart in the ring. I felt like during that fight he took a lot of risks that weren't neccesary. Made for an entertaining fight though. Ward who I like isn't the most exciting guy to watch. He fights to win one way or the other. Although it never seemed to me Mayweather was in danger of losing the Cotto fight despite some opinions he fought more of a brawling style. I can't see Ward doing that anytime soon so I say Ward #1, Mayweather #2.
Most boxing writers and pundits had Pacquiao winning by a wider margin.
Earlier you told somebody else this was based on their scorecard. Not the judges or writers. I vote Floyd. Cotto at 154 is a tougher fight but Floyd lost no more then 3 rounds to me. He had to earn those rounds but he was never in danger of losing. Also he almost knocked him out in the 12th. I scored Pac vs Bradley 115-113 for Bradley. Pac wasn't doing much to start any rounds. Tried to steal too many rounds in the last minute, then did next to nothing the last 3 rounds. Also Mayweathers nose bleeding is irrelevant. Pac was bleeding from the mouth early in this fight and I don't care at all.
That was an ugly horrible fight. Wouldn't watch it again, but I remember after the ref warned him for holding in about the 10th or 11th round Dirrell started throwing heat. It looked like he had Froch hurt bad a few times but let his foot off the gas for some reason. I thought Dirrell won, but kind of upset because I think he could've stopped him if he kept throwing hard towards the end of the fight. Props to Ward though. Fought Froch and made him look terrible with one hand.
I voted for Floyd, but in my personal opinion it's really close. Voted for Floyd because he's still working on his resume, and he's still undefeated. Pernell has a few questionable losses and some really great wins. Floyd no losses and some really great wins. Also i saw somebody talking bad about Emmanuel Augustus. That is the most robbed fighter in history simply because judges don't appreciate his fighting style. He has a style that would give most fighters major problems since it's so unorthodox. Thats why fighters like Roy Jones Jr, and Pernell Whitaker were so good. You can't properly train for such an unorthodox style. You have to learn in the ring.
I voted for Floyd, but in my personal opinion it's really close. Voted for Floyd because he's still working on his resume, and he's still undefeated. Pernell has a few questionable losses and some really great wins. Floyd no losses and some really great wins. Also i saw somebody talking bad about Emmanuel Augustus. That is the most robbed fighter in history simply because judges don't appreciate his fighting style. He has a style that would give most fighters major problems since it's so unorthodox. Thats why fighters like Roy Jones Jr, and Pernell Whitaker were so good. You can't properly train for such an unorthodox style. You have to learn in the ring.
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I voted for Floyd, but in my personal opinion it's really close. Voted for Floyd because he's still working on his resume, and he's still undefeated. Pernell has a few questionable losses and some really great wins. Floyd no losses and some really great wins. Also i saw somebody talking bad about Emmanuel Augustus. That is the most robbed fighter in history simply because judges don't appreciate his fighting style. He has a style that would give most fighters major problems since it's so unorthodox. Thats why fighters like Roy Jones Jr, and Pernell Whitaker were so good. You can't properly train for such an unorthodox style. You have to learn in the ring
these fools are getting hooked by GBP, lol...why would you count the PPV numbers of the times they fight when they are the B- SIDE, you should count the PPV when they are the A-SIDE of the equation, floyd is taking credit for the dela hoya fight when CLEARLY dela hoya carried that PPV and the hoya is THE A-SIDE, hence the bigger PPV share...count the PPV of each of them for the past 2 years then decide, dont go living on some past glory, the bad part about it is they are living off OTHER PEOPLE's past glory, lolz :rofl:
I honestly don't think that's the fair way to do it since Manny fought more times then Floyd. If you want to get more of a feel for who sales more then you should compare their ppv sales against common opponents. You can even take De La Hoya out of the equation since he was the A side for both of those fights.
Are you an idiot? Why would Bradley have to leave Arum? Arum gave him the Pacquiao fight and homeboy got 5 million bucks. The biggest paycheck of his career. Now he can fight who ever he wants and make millions cause he "beat Paquiao".
Bradley should leave Arum because Arum is throwing him under the bus to try and cover up his own corruption. For someone who promotes both of these fighters to trash Bradley so bad is inexcusable. I've watched the fight a few times and I think Pac taking so much of each round off hurt him. I thought it was close.
I don't think the split should be decided by how decisively Mayweather or Pacquiao win they're fights. It doesn't matter when determining who is the bigger draw. For a long time people said Mayweather had a boring style, but he's still the ppv king. Manny fights in an exciting style and he's the live draw. I think the split should be decided by who brings in more money when everything is added up. Wait until after Pac fights Bradley, add the numbers up and go from there.
I honestly don't think that's the fair way to do it since Manny fought more times then Floyd. If you want to get more of a feel for who sales more then you should compare their ppv sales against common opponents. You can even take De La Hoya out of the equation since he was the A side for both of those fights.
stop the lies.. pacroid lost fair.. how the media.. they all are lying.. lol people like to be conned
You can always tell when Pac gets hit with a good shot cause he stops to pull his shorts down or claps his gloves together. Bet he's a terrible poker player.