I'm guessing you meant me? I've followed Clottey's career for years and have always respected him. He's a very skilled fighter with good defense, it's just in the big fights at times due to the way he was taught and trained he does everything safety first and it costs him in close fights. It's not that he doesn't have the heart, it's just that he's afraid to do something "wrong" so to speak. Just wish he'd fight more often. But I see your point. Clottey isn't all that popular.
I can't help but feel if he would've thrown more punches he would've definitely beat Cotto. Might have been able to beat Pac too, because Pac couldn't touch him and whenever he did throw he seemed to hurt Pac. On the thread subject nothing I saw today convinces me that Froch could come any closer to beating Ward then he did the first time. Ward can take a punch (doesn't have to cause his defense is far superior to Bute), and he's just technically way to good for Froch. When you can beat the #2 guy in your division with 1 hand I would hate to see what you do with 2 of them.
No. I don't think anyone around 160-175 beats Andre Ward for the forseeable future. That's not a slight against Froch, he proved today how good he is. That's a compliment to Ward, who just seems like Mayweather, on a different level than anyone else.
I'm guessing you meant me? I've followed Clottey's career for years and have always respected him. He's a very skilled fighter with good defense, it's just in the big fights at times due to the way he was taught and trained he does everything safety first and it costs him in close fights. It's not that he doesn't have the heart, it's just that he's afraid to do something "wrong" so to speak. Just wish he'd fight more often. But I see your point. Clottey isn't all that popular.
Off subject but you're honestly the only person I have ever seen who lists Joshua Clottey as one of their favorite fighters. I'm shocked, never thought I'd see it. When he throws punches he's fun to watch because he has great power. Just doesn't throw enough for my tastes. Not trying to take shots at you bro just genuinely would like to know what you like about him?
I'm not a Clottey fan but I love that defensive guard he uses, Abraham's is similar. It seems water-tight.
No same result again.
Off subject but you're honestly the only person I have ever seen who lists Joshua Clottey as one of their favorite fighters. I'm shocked, never thought I'd see it. When he throws punches he's fun to watch because he has great power. Just doesn't throw enough for my tastes. Not trying to take shots at you bro just genuinely would like to know what you like about him?
Also, to Joeyzags. While I see your point, that's not necessarily true. While I'm not a fan of Dawson, he is better defensively then Bute, and is just an overall better more technically proficient fighter. Bute was just exposed as being what he truly is, a B level fighter who's looked good because of who he's fought his whole career.
He's a decent fighter, but Froch just proved tonight he doesn't deserve nor belong in the same sentence as Ward and Froch, period. I called this fight from day one. I knew Bute had a serious defensive deficiency, that hadn't been seen yet because of the level of competition he'd been facing and I said everyone would be shocked at how easy Froch would be able to hit him, sure enough it happened. Bute couldn't avoid, nor could he handle a single shot froch threw his way. Bute's management completely f.ucked his career.
No, no, no.
Everything great about Carl was on display tonight. Everything worked and there was nothing Bute could do. However, all those things that Carl did tonight are the things that Ward counters, slips and generally laughs at.
Kessler II is where it's at.
Ward didn't have home advantage...? The fight happened in Atlantic City, NJ. That's about 3,000 miles away from Ward's hometown. Froch is a great fighter but Ward has already proved himself by dominating Froch
Also, I called this fight. I knew Froch was going to beat Bute. When for 30 fights you haven't faced top competition, and then all the sudden up and decide to, THIS can happen. Why do you think people in boxing always say a prospect needs to be properly brought up? THIS is why.
Froch having home court advantage really had little to nothing to do with this. The fact is, EVERY single time Froch even grazed Bute, Bute was reeling allover the place. Like I ALSO said, Bute had a defensive vulnerability that hadn't been seen as much given the opposition he had faced. Froch was able to hit him at will. I really see no point of a rematch of Froch-Bute. Or a fight between Ward and Bute. To me, after being utterly outclassed and knocked out inside 5 rounds, I really don't see how Bute should even be rated in peoples top ten lists.
I think the winner should fight a Dirrell brother.
One of them just had a bike accident, and the other needs to fight more often in order to get in the mix with the top 168 pounders.
But I agree that they would be good opponents down the line.
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I think he actually has a better chance against Dawson than Ward does!!!
Froch has the style to beat southpaws, its uncanny how effective it is.
Ward had home advantage in the first fight, if Froch has home advantage in the rematch it might be a completely different fight. Ward is thoroughly untested away from home and the pressure could get to him and change the whole fight. Froch might even KO Ward at home. But then again, Ward might be fine and it could be a repeat of the first fight.
Only one way to find out. Make it happen.
If Froch couldn't even hurt Ward when Ward was fighting with a broken hand I can't see it happening. Ward schooled him with a broken hand, a hand he broke two weeks before the fight. Ward went into the fight injured and still beat him.
If there were a rematch Ward would pitch a shutout and may even drop Froch once or twice with a perfectly placed shot.
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