I just have to bring this back up to show off what a fat retard this Dino character really is. How the fuck is he not just banned already? Dumbest fat piece of shit I've ever come across in any forum.
a lil harsh:lol1:
Nah, not at all from what I've seen of him. It's not just what he says in this thread about Cotto being better, but how he discredits Chavez by his DLH los when he SHOT, and calls him a bigger Yori Boy Campas. He's a total douche, and has said in other posts Duran would not stand a chance against Mosley because the fighters of that time were not nearly as good.
Seriously, he's a joke to the highest order.
Dino is extremely retarded 98% of the time, but THIS particular comment makes sense.What?! No the hell it doesn't. Chavez was WAY past his prime when he lost to Randall, and won a good 4 rounds off Taylor.
And Taylor was the Spinks of his day? That is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
Prime Chavez right here.
Chavez did everything Cotto does but a little bit better, Besides the Chin that was in a class by its self.
I will say that Cotto has a better outside game, or pure boxing game. Possibly more well-rounded, but at what they do best, as I said, Chavez has him beat in most categories other than handspeed by a bit. Then comes the titanium chin compared to Cotto's dentable one.
i think cotto destroys chavez..
cotto is a better all around fighter.. i wasnt sold on cotto until this year.. hes truly stepping up the comp and improving greatly as a fighter
At 147 Cotto likely wins, at 140 Chavez likely stops him.
It's not out of the ordinary to pick Cotto as a better fighter than Chavez. Cotto has already proven he has what it takes to go down as an ATG. It's just a matter of time.
He has the skills to be, Chavez had the skills and proved it over a great career, one I doubt(even if Cotto does become an ATG, which I think he can) Cotto can match.
Cotto is not a better version, just a slightly bigger version. P4P he had similar skills yes, you could even argue was more complete, but wasn't quite as good at what he does best(pressure fighting) as Chavez was and sure has a LONG way to go before reaching Chavez's accomplishments.
yep i agree.i think cotto inside game is about even though,just look at those knockdowns cotto has had with body shots.in my opinion chavez only had a better chin cotto more power.everything else is pretty much a mirror image.
listen to the quintana bodyshot.
Thing is, Mosley was outdoing him in the inside when he woke up, which would not happen against Chavez I don't believe. Cotto seems to be more well-rounded than ever, but he was the one keeping the fight at a distance against Mosley because he had had enough of the body shots and Mosley's power inside.
As far as more power, yeah at 147 Cotto does, as Chavez was nowhere near his best there. At 140 it was pretty close, Chavez was really at his best at 130-135 though. P4P I'd say the power is pretty close, Chavez edge because he proved it more, while Cotto didn't really even hurt Shane.
Randall is Chavez's owner.... Made Chavez look Mexican in all of their fights.
What? Frankie Randall? I didn't even get your post. Chavez was Mexican. And saying Randall was Chavez's owner is kinda like saying Berbick was Ali's owner.
Cotto gets hit more. Hurt more. His punchs don't have the technique that Chavez well schooled punchs had. Chavez could box too. He could slip punchs. Prime Chavez has faster hand speed.
At one time, Cotto use to throw some great technical punchs, now a days his techniquez is not as finesse as it was at one time and he gets hit way too much. He easily could have lost the Mosley fight and Mosley didn't start fighting till the 8th round.
While I'm in favor of Chavez in this debate by a good deal, that was a bit off.
1) Cotto's punches do have very good technique, similar to Chavez, almost mirror in fact, other than the way he holds his hands coming in(more like earmuffs than Chavez).
2) Cotto I believe has faster handspeed, watch the Mosley fight again, while his movement was similar in speed to Chavez, his hands were very fast and connected a good percentage on Mosley due to this fact. Not a big difference here though.
3) Cotto doesn't get hit more at all(probably less in fact), but he definitely gets hurt more.
4) As far as boxing, yeah Chavez could box, but he wouldn't be outboxing Mosley from the outside like Cotto did. He was better on the inside than Cotto is though.
Truer words have never been spoken.Plenty have. I'm sure he could be stopped on accumulation of punishment as well. Hagler and Monzon are two I could never ever see stopped, for any reason, Monzon even less being as he was not very susceptible to cuts.
LOL wouldnt go pas 5 .. mayweather can run pretry good but not like leanord
Hagler would be weight-drained at this weight, so who knows how he adapts in the first place?
At 160 he KO's Floyd. Size mis-match, ridiculous thread.
Leonard himself said there was no comparion between Robinson and himself.
He was being polite obviously. If they were to fight I'd slightly favor Robinson. Capable of going to Leonard. I don't think Leonard tries to box and move in this one though, which makes it a great fight, similar to Leonard/Duran, with Robinson coming out on top.
-If you think James Toney was as good as Roy Jones
-If you think Wlad Klitschko would've beaten a prime Tyson
-If you think every time James Toney lost it was due to "lack of motivation"
-If you think there is any redeeming quality whatsoever with Floyd fighting De La Hoya again
-If you are always wrong about everything(to a certan poster)
technical is when you hit your opponent and not getting hit in return. marquez is hittable. it's floyd handsdownThat's not at all what technical means. What are you 8?
Marquez can be seen as more technical, but I think he is more “textbook”, if you know what I mean.
Mayweather is possibly the best strategist (surely one of the best) I have seen in the ring on a color TV. His natural advantages are not as huge as Jones or Pea, but he makes up for it with his incredible awareness and smartness.
I think if it served his purposes, PBf could fight like JMM, but not the other way round.
Not a bad post. I'd give JMM the textbook edge as you would, but that doesn't mean he is more technical or strategic, in fact I'd give the edge to Floyd there handily.
Textbook: JMM
Strategic: Floyd
You guys are so smoking. I admit that Im a Floyd fan but Im also a JMM fan and to me this isnt even close. What are all of you talking about? Floyd isnt that technical? Floyd is just all speed? Floyd's Offensive arsenal isnt that good?
Dude is one of the most complete fighters ever. How can JMM be more technical? 1st off he gets tagged clean way way way way more then Floyd. He always gets his nose busted up. 2nd, name one thing Floyd cant do? You cant hit the guy. On O JMM fights in a technical style while Floyd has more speed but that still doesnt make him more technical.
Floyd's O is so underrated on these boards. To me he's by far the most complete offenisve fighter in the game. He's the only guy that jabs to the body, his hooks are awesome, he has maybe the best straight right in the buisness, he can throw a check hook, his body game is severly underrated, and he has more power then people give him credit for.
I think its so dumb when people say that Floyd is based off all speed. How can you say that? Thats what seperates him from a guy like RJ. If Floyd lost his speed then he would still be the most technical fighter in the game. He gives you no openings and he can punch from any angle. He's great at a distance and in the pocket. You guys make it sound like he's some flashy guy like Zab. He's not. Dude is all substance with speed as the icing on the cake. He's very techniqal
Anyone who says Floyd is all speed is a fool. But if you were teaching child or young kid to box, you would show him Marquez rather than Floyd. Marquez goes by the book. Not everyone has the physical ability and overall capabilities that Floyd has to make the style he uses work.
When I saw "Sweet Pete" posted here, I was pretty sure which way you voted.
What does it matter if I was his son? A blind man could tell he won that fight. This forum is so goddamn lame it's pathetic. Worst boxing forum I've ever been on. Bunch of stereotyping know-nothing retards.
You also voted for Whitaker, so what the fuck does it matter?
Who would win?
I say its a SD for Mayweather Jr cuz he has the superior athletecism and he is the smarter boxer. Hand speed, defense, footwork all go to mayweather. The only thing sugar would have on floyd is punch power. so, what do you guys think?
I think you're an idiot who has no idea what he's talking about is what I think.
Handspeed at WW goes to Leonard by FAR. Floyd is a pot-shotter who isn't half as quick as he was at 130. Leonard was known for having arguably the fastest combinations in boxing history. For you to say Mayweather has faster hands at WW shows your extreme lack of knowledge.
Mayweather has better defense, because he's more defensive. Footwork? I;d give the edge to Leonard when he uses it, though he wouldn't need to against Floyd. And yes, Leonard has the big edge in power.
Other edges for Leonard include size and strength, and the fact that this is his best weight and not Floyd's. Floyd's defense isn't gonna give him a win against someone who outclasses him in every other area, especially someone like Leonard, who has beaten no less than 4 fighters that Floyd would've lost to.
Cory Spinks vs. JMM would be a good technical discussion.
Cory fights exactly by the book too.
Running around the ring flicking out a jab for 12 rounds? I think not. Marquez throws every punch in the book and does so with expert precision.
I suspect that none of you have seen the fight recently.
Whitaker all but fell apart in the last few round, and he didn't pile the rounds up in the beginning as well has he could have.
The bottom line... Whitaker was young, green, and challenging for his first world title. I thought he won a close decision, but he was not as impressive as many are making him out to be in this fight.
The second fight, that is a whole different story. Whitaker - Ramirez II was without a doubt, Pernell Whitaker's single best display of virtuosity in his entire career. It's what he should have done in the first fight, but was not experienced enough to know.
I actually thing the loss helped Pete out. It taught him how important it is to be flashy when he is working his defense. He learned it's not just enough to make a man miss, he has to make the man look silly while he is making him miss, but he also learned that it can be over done.
This is the fight where Pete really learned what playing to the judges is all about. He didn't do it like should have, and as a result, he through away a victory, that he could have easily won.:lol1: :lol1: :lol1:
First of all, Whitaker wasn't green. He was green when facing someone like Roger Mayweather, but not Ramirez, even though he wasn't peak yet. Second of all, to call that anything less than a disgusting robbery shows why I don't take you seriously. Then you say Toney beat Tiberi and that the fight with Jones was close. You're a fool dude, a fool.
Yeah let's remember, Floyd doesn't use many jabs. His speed lets him get away with many right hand leads and shots that you'd normally setup with the jab. Also, anyone else tired of hearing people say checkhook just because Floyd mentioned it in the interview after Hatton fight? It's so annoying.
God yes!!! They act as if it's some divine punch.