Sugar Ray Leonard vs Floyd Mayweather Jr.

A green Sugar Ray handled Floyd's fathers shoulder roll defense quite easily and also beat another defensive genius, Wilfred Benitez. I can't see Floyd winning this.

Who would win? I say its a SD for Mayweather Jr cuz he has the superior athletecism and he is the smarter boxer. Hand speed, defense, footwork all go to mayweather. The only thing sugar would have on floyd is punch power. so, what do you guys think? I think you're an idiot who has no idea what he's talking about is what I think. Handspeed at WW goes to Leonard by FAR. Floyd is a pot-shotter who isn't half as quick as he was at 130. Leonard was known for having arguably the fastest combinations in boxing history. For you to say Mayweather has faster hands at WW shows your extreme lack of knowledge. Mayweather has better defense, because he's more defensive. Footwork? I;d give the edge to Leonard when he uses it, though he wouldn't need to against Floyd. And yes, Leonard has the big edge in power. Other edges for Leonard include size and strength, and the fact that this is his best weight and not Floyd's. Floyd's defense isn't gonna give him a win against someone who outclasses him in every other area, especially someone like Leonard, who has beaten no less than 4 fighters that Floyd would've lost to.

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it also tells you how better skilled floyd is and has always been compared to hearns. and mayweather is just as complete if not more than sugar was. floyd has a much better defense than ray did. and who said they would fight at 147, but even at this weight, floyd would beat ray. as far as this potshotting shit, he won his weltweight fights against guys by being better than them, using his skills better, being much more accurate than them. ray imo could make floyd become more aggressive which would make for a better fight, but could show the killer in floyd, which is monsterous for any fighter in history. floyd's defense frustrates the shit out of ray. floyd is too methodical for ray leonard, ray is very dynamic like i've posted before, but floy dis more complex, but also with a better defense. you can't hit what you can't see and you don't win by arm punches and shoulder punches and floyd is always in the right mindframe, thus him being undefeated, ray has losses which shows you his vulnerablity. floyd is no perfect fighter, but he is just as much, maybe even more complete than ray was. as far as paul williams go, floyd would defeat williams imo due to the fact that paul leaves his body open, and floyd is a terrific but underrated body puncher due to the fact people like you and commentators foucs on his last several fights and focus on his "potshotting" like you do, that you leave out how he breaks fighters down, by working their body, and paul williams has a linky but open body and floyd would attack the living shit out of hit, he's too smart not to, paul williams would have to have a perfect night to even coming close to beating floyd, it would not be easy at all. I appreciate the long post but I'll just comment on what I remember. You did say Ray would make Floyd become more aggressive, and I agree, because he would have to be. When Floyd tries to counter, because we both know he wouldn't lead especially against Sugar Ray, SRL would be gone. Floyd knowing this would have to open up and that's where he gets picked off. SRL over PBF in a shoot-out, all day. And on the Paul Williams comment, yes Floyd does go to the body, but HOW IN THE HELL would he get in there? Paul Williams is way too long, way to active, and a stylistic NIGHTMARE for Floyd Mayweather. I'm a fan of Floyd. But I'm a realist. Floyd Mayweather WILL NEVER fight Paul Williams.....yeah he doesn't really need to as I believe his career is basically cemented. But if he ever does, I'll place every last dime I have on Paul Williams.....and that's alot of friggin' dimes.

it also tells you how better skilled floyd is and has always been compared to hearns. and mayweather is just as complete if not more than sugar was. floyd has a much better defense than ray did. and who said they would fight at 147, but even at this weight, floyd would beat ray. as far as this potshotting shit, he won his weltweight fights against guys by being better than them, using his skills better, being much more accurate than them. ray imo could make floyd become more aggressive which would make for a better fight, but could show the killer in floyd, which is monsterous for any fighter in history. floyd's defense frustrates the shit out of ray. floyd is too methodical for ray leonard, ray is very dynamic like i've posted before, but floy dis more complex, but also with a better defense. you can't hit what you can't see and you don't win by arm punches and shoulder punches and floyd is always in the right mindframe, thus him being undefeated, ray has losses which shows you his vulnerablity. floyd is no perfect fighter, but he is just as much, maybe even more complete than ray was. as far as paul williams go, floyd would defeat williams imo due to the fact that paul leaves his body open, and floyd is a terrific but underrated body puncher due to the fact people like you and commentators foucs on his last several fights and focus on his "potshotting" like you do, that you leave out how he breaks fighters down, by working their body, and paul williams has a linky but open body and floyd would attack the living shit out of hit, he's too smart not to, paul williams would have to have a perfect night to even coming close to beating floyd, it would not be easy at all. I appreciate the long post but I'll just comment on what I remember. You did say Ray would make Floyd become more aggressive, and I agree, because he would have to be. When Floyd tries to counter, because we both know he wouldn't lead especially against Sugar Ray, SRL would be gone. Floyd knowing this would have to open up and that's where he gets picked off. SRL over PBF in a shoot-out, all day. And on the Paul Williams comment, yes Floyd does go to the body, but HOW IN THE HELL would he get in there? Paul Williams is way too long, way to active, and a stylistic NIGHTMARE for Floyd Mayweather. I'm a fan of Floyd. But I'm a realist. Floyd Mayweather WILL NEVER fight Paul Williams.....yeah he doesn't really need to as I believe his career is basically cemented. But if he ever does, I'll place every last dime I have on Paul Williams.....and that's alot of friggin' dimes.

it also tells you how better skilled floyd is and has always been compared to hearns. and mayweather is just as complete if not more than sugar was. floyd has a much better defense than ray did. and who said they would fight at 147, but even at this weight, floyd would beat ray. as far as this potshotting shit, he won his weltweight fights against guys by being better than them, using his skills better, being much more accurate than them. ray imo could make floyd become more aggressive which would make for a better fight, but could show the killer in floyd, which is monsterous for any fighter in history. floyd's defense frustrates the shit out of ray. floyd is too methodical for ray leonard, ray is very dynamic like i've posted before, but floy dis more complex, but also with a better defense. you can't hit what you can't see and you don't win by arm punches and shoulder punches and floyd is always in the right mindframe, thus him being undefeated, ray has losses which shows you his vulnerablity. floyd is no perfect fighter, but he is just as much, maybe even more complete than ray was. as far as paul williams go, floyd would defeat williams imo due to the fact that paul leaves his body open, and floyd is a terrific but underrated body puncher due to the fact people like you and commentators foucs on his last several fights and focus on his "potshotting" like you do, that you leave out how he breaks fighters down, by working their body, and paul williams has a linky but open body and floyd would attack the living shit out of hit, he's too smart not to, paul williams would have to have a perfect night to even coming close to beating floyd, it would not be easy at all. I appreciate the long post but I'll just comment on what I remember. You did say Ray would make Floyd become more aggressive, and I agree, because he would have to be. When Floyd tries to counter, because we both know he wouldn't lead especially against Sugar Ray, SRL would be gone. Floyd knowing this would have to open up and that's where he gets picked off. SRL over PBF in a shoot-out, all day. And on the Paul Williams comment, yes Floyd does go to the body, but HOW IN THE HELL would he get in there? Paul Williams is way too long, way to active, and a stylistic NIGHTMARE for Floyd Mayweather. I'm a fan of Floyd. But I'm a realist. Floyd Mayweather WILL NEVER fight Paul Williams.....yeah he doesn't really need to as I believe his career is basically cemented. But if he ever does, I'll place every last dime I have on Paul Williams.....and that's alot of friggin' dimes.

it also tells you how better skilled floyd is and has always been compared to hearns. and mayweather is just as complete if not more than sugar was. floyd has a much better defense than ray did. and who said they would fight at 147, but even at this weight, floyd would beat ray. as far as this potshotting shit, he won his weltweight fights against guys by being better than them, using his skills better, being much more accurate than them. ray imo could make floyd become more aggressive which would make for a better fight, but could show the killer in floyd, which is monsterous for any fighter in history. floyd's defense frustrates the shit out of ray. floyd is too methodical for ray leonard, ray is very dynamic like i've posted before, but floy dis more complex, but also with a better defense. you can't hit what you can't see and you don't win by arm punches and shoulder punches and floyd is always in the right mindframe, thus him being undefeated, ray has losses which shows you his vulnerablity. floyd is no perfect fighter, but he is just as much, maybe even more complete than ray was. as far as paul williams go, floyd would defeat williams imo due to the fact that paul leaves his body open, and floyd is a terrific but underrated body puncher due to the fact people like you and commentators foucs on his last several fights and focus on his "potshotting" like you do, that you leave out how he breaks fighters down, by working their body, and paul williams has a linky but open body and floyd would attack the living shit out of hit, he's too smart not to, paul williams would have to have a perfect night to even coming close to beating floyd, it would not be easy at all. I appreciate the long post but I'll just comment on what I remember. You did say Ray would make Floyd become more aggressive, and I agree, because he would have to be. When Floyd tries to counter, because we both know he wouldn't lead especially against Sugar Ray, SRL would be gone. Floyd knowing this would have to open up and that's where he gets picked off. SRL over PBF in a shoot-out, all day. And on the Paul Williams comment, yes Floyd does go to the body, but HOW IN THE HELL would he get in there? Paul Williams is way too long, way to active, and a stylistic NIGHTMARE for Floyd Mayweather. I'm a fan of Floyd. But I'm a realist. Floyd Mayweather WILL NEVER fight Paul Williams.....yeah he doesn't really need to as I believe his career his basically cemented. But if he ever does, I'll place every last dime I have on Paul Williams.....and that's alot of friggin' dimes.

what do you mean uh duh? did it take you hours to respeond to me like you did? now, how about posting a decent response to me because this one is lacking in the decent department. Well, what can you expect? You can't see the forest for the trees. It is pretty simple really. It would be a bad match up of styles and in this case Mayweather would lose. No matter his defense or whatever else you think he would win with Leonard has shown that he can beat anything Mayweather could throw at him. He beat Benitez who is as defensively brilliant as Mayweather. He beat Hearns who had the boxing skills, reach, power and speed to well and truly beat anything Mayweather could do. He beat Duran who has better infighting skills than Mayweather could ever dream of. He beat Hagler...Mayweather Snr...etc...etc... You're judging him based on fights with guys who're generally brawling types and who aren't even very good at that. How is Mayweather going to respond to someone who is sticking a lighting fast jab in his face and doesn't even have time to counter, which you have to take into account as he is NOT a boxer, he is a counter puncher (which is why he is accurate to answer a section of your post. Every counter puncher in history is accurate. It's their game!) let alone take over the fight and win. If Leonard had started at 130 or so it might be competitive but you're talking about one of the greatest welterweights of all time who showed time and time again that he could beat the very, very best (It also happens that those best he beat were also all as good or better than Mayweather). I'm sorry about your delusional mind but it just wouldn't happen. Mayweather would not be able to win this specific match up. It has nothing to do with hater rubbish. Most people can simply see this fight for what it is....except you and the guy who started it, hence the :duh:

Sugar Ray by UD.

Speed, power, chin, all favor SRL while defense and movement favor Floyd. One thing that wasn't given as much attention that could very well decide the proposed matchup is what Brooklyn Bomber hinted at early in the thread and that is Floyds natural lack of aggression. Ray was a ferocious fighter and had a terrific desire to bring offense, while Floyd's first instincts seem to be more of survival and countering. The fact that Leonard could take a punch also works against Floyd, even if Floyd managed to counter Leonard I don't seeit being the kind of counter shots Floyd gets off against lesser fighters like Hatton or DeLaHoya or even Genaro Hernandez. Once Floyd finds his punches don't damage Ray or make him timid it's all Leonard going forward and Floyd going backward. SRL UD 9-3 over Floyd.

but ray doesn't defend that well against fighters with floyd's style. huge difference sherlock, wake up boy. So Ray takes bombs from Hagler, Hearns and Duran without too much problem, but he's going to be concerned about taking shots from Floyd? Corley had Floyd hurt and SRL had 10 times the offence that Corley has and is a much better finisher.

Sugar Ray by clear but close UD. Maybe 8-4. Leonard was totally complete, he would open Mayweather up and draw him out of the pot-shotting mode. Floyd, with the exception of Hatton and maybe Judah, has won each of his Welterweight fights by simply pot-shotting. He's not going to beat Sugar Ray by that alone. And when he gets drawn into a shoot-out Leonard wins. I'm not even sure Floyd could beat Paul Williams.....simply styles. Sugar Ray KO'd Tommy Hearns. That tells me alot. (and yes, I know it was past the 12th)it also tells you how better skilled floyd is and has always been compared to hearns. and mayweather is just as complete if not more than sugar was. floyd has a much better defense than ray did. and who said they would fight at 147, but even at this weight, floyd would beat ray. as far as this potshotting shit, he won his weltweight fights against guys by being better than them, using his skills better, being much more accurate than them. ray imo could make floyd become more aggressive which would make for a better fight, but could show the killer in floyd, which is monsterous for any fighter in history. floyd's defense frustrates the shit out of ray. floyd is too methodical for ray leonard, ray is very dynamic like i've posted before, but floy dis more complex, but also with a better defense. you can't hit what you can't see and you don't win by arm punches and shoulder punches and floyd is always in the right mindframe, thus him being undefeated, ray has losses which shows you his vulnerablity. floyd is no perfect fighter, but he is just as much, maybe even more complete than ray was. as far as paul williams go, floyd would defeat williams imo due to the fact that paul leaves his body open, and floyd is a terrific but underrated body puncher due to the fact people like you and commentators foucs on his last several fights and focus on his "potshotting" like you do, that you leave out how he breaks fighters down, by working their body, and paul williams has a linky but open body and floyd would attack the living shit out of hit, he's too smart not to, paul williams would have to have a perfect night to even coming close to beating floyd, it would not be easy at all.

Floyd was clearly hurt against Corley. He also came back and won that round though.

An ATG WW against someone who was at his best at 130 - 135. Floyd's defence keeps him from getting stopped early, but I honestly don't see this going past about the 8th or 9th round. If Chop Chop Corley can hurt Floyd as bad as he did, just imagine what SRL would do to him. chop chop caught floyd with a wild loopingpunch that really didn't hurt floyd, just stunned him, what you forgot to mention(like it's somehting new anyway, your memory always seems to go blank when it comes to talking positive about floyd anyway) is that floyd came back that same round right after he was stunned and knocked corley down although it was ruled a knockdown. that's the only time floyd was hurt a little, but he took some great shots and walked through them and knocked corley down over 4 times even though the ref didn't rule them all knockdowns. ray throws better, sharper punches and floyd defends well against punches like ray throws, but ray doesn't defend that well against fighters with floyd's style. huge difference sherlock, wake up boy.

Sugar Ray by clear but close UD. Maybe 8-4. Leonard was totally complete, he would open Mayweather up and draw him out of the pot-shotting mode. Floyd, with the exception of Hatton and maybe Judah, has won each of his Welterweight fights by simply pot-shotting. He's not going to beat Sugar Ray by that alone. And when he gets drawn into a shoot-out Leonard wins. I'm not even sure Floyd could beat Paul Williams.....simply styles. Sugar Ray KO'd Tommy Hearns. That tells me alot. (and yes, I know it was past the 12th)

lol, all apart of my plan. Check my thread in boxingscene lounge about Millie.

:ugh: :duh: :puppy_dog Ok, now I have seen it all.what do you mean uh duh? did it take you hours to respeond to me like you did? now, how about posting a decent response to me because this one is lacking in the decent department.

You cannot give Floyd credit for his speed at 130 in his third fight against a bum when talking about a fantasy fight at with Leonard at 147. he still has that speed he is just not the same fighter cuz he has upper back and hand problems now.

I very much doubt Floyd would fight Leonard the way he fought Corley. He seriously fought like Arturo Gatti in that fight. All offense, no defense. I do agree that Leonard would vastly oversize him. It might just be that Leonard was too big for Floyd to beat him. Floyd vs. Duran would be an interesting matchup at 135. I might change my mind after seeing Floyd fight some better WWs. Ray definitely wouldn't be afraid of Floyd's power and would go after him, imo. Floyd vs Duran at 135 would probably be a closer matchup, but I think I'd have to get the edge to Duran on that one as well. Floyd would be competitive in both fights though.

i forgot to note, mayweather, and after watching this video clip again when he fought cooper, floyd fights at angles better than ray does too, but again, he fights at different speeds from complex angles very well which he did here against cooper in that clip and he did it great against coralles and gatti when he landed that combo in the 6th round to the body and upstairs and in the 2nd round where he landed a counter left hook against gatti but at a slower pace but still accurate and his body positioning was perfect. now, gatti was never and will never be on the same level as ray but nonetheless i was making an observation. floyd gave better angles but with a better defense and much more complex style, and punched very sharp from these angles also, he didn't waste any punches, and leonard would waste many punches fighting floyd throwing his combos and flurries the way he did, because although they were fast and powerful and dynamic, floyd's defense would negate the shit out of many of them. now, floyd's jab at 130 was as good as a jab gets and his faints with his jab and left hooks and right leads and counters with his right and left hand were superb at 130 also, so it depends on what weight class they fought at.