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Golovkin might have been "robbed" in both fights, but Canelo is the better and more skilled fighter. Canelo adjusted in the rematch, which is why he gave Golovkin more trouble. Canelo is a better body puncher. Golovkin has become a headhunter in his recent fights. Canelo is a better counter-puncher. Canelo has better head movement. Look at Golovkin's face in the rematch. GGG is the better fighter, Canelo is the better boxer, in the 1st fight GGG was fighting canelo, in the 2nd fight GGG tried to box canelo

Crushing cans on public broadcasting has to be a great way to increase your following among casuals. Your able to convince the average Joe youre the next Mike Tyson since most people won't know the opponent you're blasting away never stood a chance in the first place. Free fights get so much more views than PPV, the most watched PPV fight is at 100 Million views while the most watched freely broadcasted fight is at 2 BILLION (half the world population at the time), of course when youre fighting someone your own level you can use these newfound fans to massively boost your PPV sales. Why cant guys like Spence/Crawford do this? Their fanbase could certainly use a boost Floyd’s last 2 have been the biggest can crushing in history, a midget kickboxer and a debutante, he’s teaching tank to be just like him

In the Steve Rolls fight ggg in the first round alone went to the body about 8 times or more but vs Canelo he didn’t even try in the entire 2 fights. Had to bring this up because the GALOVKIDS are claiming that genadiy was to old to go to the body vs Canelo. I’m saying he was too scared of Canelo to even try. This will be fun, just to show how little knowledge you have, I dare you to watch the 1st round that you are speaking of and note down what time in the round these fearless body shots occurred, should only take 4 minutes, I can’t wait to see the result, I’m laughing already, if you want to make it a complete comedy, rate those fearless body shots aswell, if anyone else wants to see what lil Johnny considers a fearless bodypuncher at age 35, just watch ggg vs rolls 1st round, lil Johnny has absolutely no idea

I think it’s because fighting on the inside with Rolls doesn’t present the same kind of threat as fighting on the inside with Canelo does. Watch round 1 to see what lil Johnny considers fearless body punching, you will cry with laughter

WRONG! it isn't mandatory, and he is cherry picking him. Yes he is GGGs mandatory, if brains were dynamite, you couldn't blow your nose

First and foremost , I believe it’s totally wrong to call any boxer a bum But to answer your question , to admit that kind of guilt would deter many of the so-called fans from their agenda , whatever it may be That would be just to easy imo You just hit the nail on the head, when posters call a fighter a bum they have lost me, anyone who has been in the ring themselves should know better, all the couch potato experts here that make ludicrous comments and statements yet have never done a minute of training, yet according to themselves have all the answers, they are the problem

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It's a mandatory, he didn't pick him

Have you ever taken the time to see how impeccable my arguments are? Now why TF would I ever say GGG is in his prime at 37? It’s make zero sense for me to say that and as far Sergio Martinez he was a shot fighter after Chavez JR. We all know that. Listen if your pissed off that gggs career didn’t turn out so well, understand one thing:”You don’t have to lie about ggg to trash him, the truth is his worst enemy when it comes to his career!” Go to Boxrec and cross reference anything we say This is YOUR post The thing with ggg is never in his career did he fight someone he wasn’t favored to win heavily. How in the hell would you even know when his prime or the peak of his career was? Especially when ppl are saying it was vs Geale or Macklin or even Stevenson. Not a good way to gauge it at all vs those cab drivers. This is basically the classic story of 2 boxers hitting their peaks about 10 years apart. Who do you blame? Do you blame ggg for waiting till he was 35 to step up his game or do you blame Canelo for taking the fight when everything made sense? If you ask me they both waited till the time was right yet only one of them was able to preserve a positive legacy. We should all support the fighter who made the right decisions not the fighter who made a bunch of excuses The thread was about whether golovkin was past his prime or not fighting canelo, so your are a liar and will write anything that suits your agenda gerbil

Have you ever taken the time to see how impeccable my arguments are? Now why TF would I ever say GGG is in his prime at 37? It’s make zero sense for me to say that and as far Sergio Martinez he was a shot fighter after Chavez JR. We all know that. Listen if your pissed off that gggs career didn’t turn out so well, understand one thing:”You don’t have to lie about ggg to trash him, the truth is his worst enemy when it comes to his career!” Go to Boxrec and cross reference anything we say Your arguments are terrible, they are biased , I couldn’t care less about GGGs career, imbeciles like yourself are always trying to discredit fighters because of your blind man love of another fighter, try becoming a fan of the sport, not the fighter and grow up imbecile

Pls give valid reasons for your opinions. Everyone gives wins, loses as their reasons, they seem to forget the logistics, example, Floyd fighting top notch opposition, never injured, best nutrition , a team of experts accessing and advising him every step of the way, 1 maybe 2 fights a year. SRR, often injured, terrible diet for boxing, just his trainer and seconds, fighting up to 22 times a year, ask yourself if you swapped their conditions, would Floyd be as successful as SRR, I don't think so, would SRR be as successful as Floyd with Floyd's conditions, more than likely yes

Chuck??? Ok Sturm ducked him but no one else. Everyone else wanted to be compensated fairly that’s not a duck. GGGs team was paying like 90k to fight him. WTF is that? Sergio was 38 and physically shot. When has ggg ever fought in hi risk low reward situation? How many fighters has has G not fought because of hi risk low reward ? The other day you were trying to tell everyone GGG was in his prime at 37, yet Sergio is shot at 38, you hypocrite, you will write anything that fits your agenda

It's BS. GGG was a nobody who had never even fought in America through the majority of Martinez's run. By the time GGG made a name for himself, Martinez had already torn his ACL vs Murray and rehabbing. He took a money fight vs Miguel Cotto, because who wouldn't? Martinez said that he'd fight GGG after he beat Cotto. Unfortunately his knee injury was too much, resulting in his loss to Cotto. That's funny clenelo said he'd fight GGG after cotto as well, we saw what happened there

The same gloves Cotto wore against him, yep real pillow gloves . If you ever try a few rounds of boxing you will learn there are no 8oz pillow gloves. Doesn’t sound like you’ve ever been hit with hair gloves, seems you only know how to lick the Floyd poster on you wall, 1.5 million is alloy of money to pay someone to wear padded gloves rather than hair jnr if there is no difference, now go away

Now let me say Guerrero may not have been a great win, but he had a damn good plan..when Floyd threw the lead right he would counter to the body instead of the head and it was working well...But somehow Floyd adjusted and started dodging body shot counters...I mean that is hard as hell to do.. Great adjustment against maidana aswell, not coming out until maidana had pillow gloves on, I mean that’s as hard as hell to do

You need to find out the whole story instead of parroting along with haters. What does it mean knowing Floyd has faced much better guys wearing the very same gloves, any fool should realize from this fact that its not about the gloves. this was a pay back power play. Hair or not is irrelevant you never been hit by either so your power play is a bit lame, they tried to pull one over and Floyd like a boss said fck you . I’m not interested in excuses, that’s all you offer, I’ve been in the industry for years, hair gloves are punchers gloves, you saying they are all the same shows how little knowledge you have, now go back to playing badminton gumby When boxing gloves were first used, they used to be stuffed with horse hair,” McCormack said. “So what happened is you could actually manipulate the horsehair, you could push it and bring your knuckles out through the horse hair. To stop that, they developed the foam padding what we’re used to now. That’s become the standard, but certain places still use the horsehair glove. “There’s no actual rules against them, they’re still considered a legal boxing glove. Now, they’re not good for your hands, because you’re effectively only working with the wrap. As it gets wet, it moves around a lot more. I remember as an amateur we used to wear them, and you’d get hit, it could be the tenth fight with the same gloves and they’d get wetter and wetter. You’d get hit with the searing pain and the smell. They stunk. “Then we have what is called the ‘Mexican’ glove,” he continued. “Everlast do a glove called the MX, and basically the padding in that is very, very little. no MX glove, and no horse hair. It’s basically he wants.. you tear up someones face real bad with that stuff. The horse hair wouldn’t be used as much now, but the Everlast MX glove is still used. It’s a legal glove, but Floyd won’t have any of it.”

So this is your way of admitting that I never actually said ggg was in his prime at 37 or 35 but you went and did your homework and discovered that I voted yes on a poll? which actually means you did say GGG was in his prime, canelos little GERBIL

This. People giving their opinion on a fighter they haven't really seen, and if they have its grainy black and white footage. No doubt he was an excellent fighter but he can't be compared to modern fighters. Have to agree, they cannot be compared, Floyd had the best of everything, never fought injured, great nutrition, only 12 round fights, wouldn’t have fought more than 4 times a year, SRR had terrible nutrition, came with the lack of knowledge of the era, fought 15 rounders, fought up to 22 times in one year, obviously fighting that many times would mean you go into fights injured, let’s face facts, SRR had to overcome obstacles that Floyd and most other modern day fighters wouldn’t dream of, let alone attempt, Floyd’s fights were easy compared to SRR fights, as always, posters overlook such important points. Ask yourself how Floyd would handle fighting every fortnight doing 15 rounds

You’ve been fighting and training for the past 20 years and question a professional fighters drive? It is obvious as hell that Lopez is far from lacking drive. He has so much of it, he can probably share it with the entire NYC, and still have 100% left. He’s gonna get his ass handed to him by Lomachenko, but he’s very energetic, charismatic, very into promoting himself, wants to fight the best even though it will mean an L and no more 0. The kid his drive. I’m not high on him by any means, but I respect that he is out there trying to be the best. A real shame on fans for questioning this kid’s intentions on why he doesn’t want to fight without a crowd. Boxing fans are so shameful. No other sports fans are out here telling baseball players, basketball players, football players, to go out and play without a crowd. Everyone knows how much that sucks. Dead crowds suck ass, and no crowd out at all would be absolutely terrible for a boxing match. Crowds literally dictate how pro boxers behave in the ring. The same Lopez who has already had camp issues because his father/ trainer hates his wife, whom if I remember correctly was talking about retiring due to that issue, you seem to have a short memory Kev, you seem to put pro fighters on a pedestal, I know an ex world champ who when told to run would go around the block, have a ciggy, find a tap and pat himself down with water to look like he was sweating, does that sound driven, don’t confuse talent and drive, look at Davis and Broner, perfect examples

Exactly... YOU don't see the issue. And that does not matter if you do not see the issue. You are not Teofimo Lopez, the fighter, you are a fan who does not care for the conditions of a venue. Because it will not be you fighting. And the second bolded comment, who are you to say a boxer is lacking drive? You probably don't even have 1% of a clue of what drive it takes not only to be a non pro boxer, who just gets used as a sparring partner for chump change, but the drive it takes to be a pro boxer. To get up at 4AM to run and train, be away from your family for long periods at a time. A lot of you boxing fans with the crap you say, it seems like you lack brain. Call him a C level fighter, say you don't think he has good skills, say he's not gonna make it far, make fun of his resume, predict that he will lose 120-108 vs Lomachenko. But to question a boxer's "drive". Just lol, you have no idea what it takes to be a boxer. A pro boxer's "drive" is about 1,000,000 % stronger than the average Joe. I’ve fought and been a trainer for the past 20 years Kev, some fighters drive themselves constantly, some you need to push every inch of the way, you obviously have taken your boxing knowledge from rocky movies, when you get in the ring you are fighting your opponent, if you need the crowd to get 10% more out of you then you’re not going in at 100%

1sr fight wasn’t close? Ok Bry’d jr. Did you want to commit suicide when your god ggg lost??? I mean your like those Bi@tches YEARS later can’t get over their ex. You're the emotional one, that comes when you're a fan of the fighter, I'm a fan of the sport, the only people who think canelo won the first fight are the people who were paid to say so and biased fangirls like yourself, I don't get any money out of their fights so why would I give a ****

''History'' is kind to him now (all the news has been favorable) and peoples attention span will make 'forgiving'' him easier in the future. He was unscathed after the Beef Incident (aside from haters who just can't accept scientific facts). 1st fight was close, wouldn't have been mad if GGG got it. 2nd one, Nelo gave GGG a lesson in Mexican boxing. 1st fight wasn't close, 2nd was close, he is a ped cheat, scientific evidence didn't clear him, results could align with meat contamination or cycling off

Canelo had a year lay-off don’t you see the advantage He shouldn’t have been a ped cheat, his fault

The thing with ggg is never in his career did he fight someone he wasn’t favored to win heavily. How in the hell would you even know when his prime or the peak of his career was? Especially when ppl are saying it was vs Geale or Macklin or even Stevenson. Not a good way to gauge it at all vs those cab drivers. This is basically the classic story of 2 boxers hitting their peaks about 10 years apart. Who do you blame? Do you blame ggg for waiting till he was 35 to step up his game or do you blame Canelo for taking the fight when everything made sense? If you ask me they both waited till the time was right yet only one of them was able to preserve a positive legacy. We should all support the fighter who made the right decisions not the fighter who made a bunch of excuses Reflexes slow down, movement is slower, less footwork, you seem to miss very obvious signs

I don’t see the issue with no crowd, both fighters will have the same conditions, if you need the crowd to drive you then you are lacking drive

Past his prime as soon as he started fighting better fighters and looking less than impressive with his jab obsession lol. Very convenient. Same losers who were saying Canelo won’t go the distance with him are now saying he was actually past prime in the fight, after the fact. Do you think he was in his prime, yes or no, simple question to answer

Dispute what you quoted minus the obvious typo Bring kleenex if you feel weepy Nothing to dispute, I made an observation, YOU obviously don't watch much boxing, no tissues required

Well none of that presented itself vs Canelo the only thing that I saw was a lack of heart and courage yet you wanna pretend like it was do to age Straight away I can tell you're a hater, did you notice he didn't throw body shots, another sign of deterioration, but clowns like you only see what they want to see, heart would be taking the GGG fight when canelo said he would, after he beat cotto

I’m not wasting my time with that the truth is why not just watch the Steve Rolls fight and see Golovkin going to the body about 8 times in the first round? See that squashes your argument right there because he did that in 1 round vs a bum but with Canelo he was too scared and didn’t have the balls to even throw 8 body shots in the entire fight! Next! So on top of everything else you’re a very weak individual aswell, the fact that you think that a 35 year old is prime says a lot about your huge lack of knowledge and how often you have been schooled here in discussions, you need to crawl back under the rock from which you came

I gave that tripe you clicked enter on credibility. What an ingrate..... As I said, GOLD, you have nothing, you're scaping the bottom of the barrel when your only option is to alter another posters post. It's sad really, are you using McDonalds free WIFI to post here, I'm sure you are